Why do women get so offended...

[Poonani Maker]

They know you're judging them if they are in debt. If they're not responding to that question you can be sure they're in debt.

You can keep asking that, you don't need an answer as their refusal to provide it makes the answer very clear nonetheless.

I'm certain many Lie (I mean MANY) too about "oh no, I've (actually) paid mine off..." (their parents did or whatever, and I don't care as long as it's paid off, then I'll consider her).

 

[Poonani Maker]

I disagree. Somebody who got through college, even a masters, without much debt will be looking for excuses to talk about it.

Any questions eliciting a debt response are fantastic qualifiers and will quickly tell you a LOT about a woman.

Her; I just finished my masters!

Cool. How soon will you pay off your debt?

Awesome. Now the payments begin.

Fantastic. Did it take a lot of debt, or did you figure something else out?

Better questions are the kind of masters they got. Anything in the liberal arts, or counseling, or psychology, and you can bet she's not only been brainwashed to be ultra entitled but also has a ton of debt to go with that brainwashing. And unless she's super hot and ready to go, this is as quick as a DQ as you'll find.

When I used to go to church, the there would be a girl in my "life group" who really wanted my attention and was overly nice to me or charming to me, then the fat nurse girl (no debt, she'd always wanted me to pursue her but I saw her as too manly; she'd helped the Katrina victims and was a VERY disciplined woman who'd scored extremely high grades and was selected by the main local hospital based on merit alone) would pull me aside and tell me that she had a lot of student loan debt. I was like, "thanks, I'd never have known." If that fat nurse had been a good cook I would have considered her.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Because its rude.

It's similar to you showing off your car to a complete stranger, trying to be friendly, sort of breaking the ice and such BUT they suddenly retort back "so have you finished paying off that car?"....

Offensive and kills the mood right?

MEN...are impressed by my zero debt. They always go "wow," cause they're still churning away for the wife n' kids. I see the envy, even among the single men, but it's a respect as well really no matter the age. I've seen this knowledge turn a man who didn't like me and didn't acknowledge me into someone who nodded to me everytime he saw me. It was as if he'd been shown a goal or a marker for HIMSELF to meet one day, you know, something to shoot for as he is 10+ years younger and still has time. They see that I do not have to work EVERY day of the week. I can write off losses much easier and there is no mental anguish.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Yeah, I can respect that they want it so, but I don't like to hang out with such people anyways.

Yeah, she'd better be REAL with me from the start or LEARN to be real eyeball to eyeball, or we ain't neva gonna work out.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Agreed that you're being a bit too much of a d!ck.

Also agreed that someone with that level of debt is likely looking for a provider and isn't likely to be worth the time.

I wonder what it's like having over a hundred grand in debt. $10k in credit card debt must seem like a drop in the bucket.

"Everybody's got their price" from an old Iron Maiden song called "22 Acacia Avenue" written by Bruce ****inson who used to visit the brothels of England before he hit it big with Maiden. Ok, so $10K would not be bad to stomach, for me, but she could leave me at any time after dating, after a 6 month relationship, or after being "engaged" to be married OR finally after marriage (but then it becomes much more costly as we know - amplify that by 6 or 7 times to $60k or $70k). I want her to be an Adrian (from Rocky) who lives within her means and is true to the constraints of life (like Russians are; they all live in honeycombed housing and don't have very much new home construction going on like our fake monetary system allows us to do). Do you really WANT a high-wage garnering college grad (without rich parents, so rare) who will not be staying at home taking care of the kids?

 

[Spaz]

MEN...are impressed by my zero debt. They always go "wow," cause they're still churning away for the wife n' kids. I see the envy, even among the single men, but it's a respect as well really no matter the age. I've seen this knowledge turn a man who didn't like me and didn't acknowledge me into someone who nodded to me everytime he saw me. It was as if he'd been shown a goal or a marker for HIMSELF to meet one day, you know, something to shoot for as he is 10+ years younger and still has time. They see that I do not have to work EVERY day of the week. I can write off losses much easier and there is no mental anguish.

Even companies with billions in savings will borrow external money + use internal cash to fund some big projects.

Rich men does the same.

Do you know why?

 

[Skyline]

They rarely ask so blatantly, but you can guess they want to know, and if is under a certain amount it is going to be a dealbreaker, at least for a relationship.

Girls won't date guys under a certain income. That's generally accepted. This is why they look at shoes, clothing, watches, etc.

This is why guys BUY shoes, watches, clothing. That it's a criteria isn't even questioned by most guys.

Guys seem to be A-OK with girls with tens or hundreds of thousand in debt. Even broaching the topic seems repulsive to most guys.

Like a huge metaphysical no-no. Like just THINKING about asking questions designed to elicit her debt levels is going to scare any potential poon away, while at the same time, doing everything they can to PROJECT wealth and status.

This fear based tip toeing around the issue is one reason why women feel so entitled these days.

I’m not disagreeing that it should be known but so early on and so blatantly..? I think using contextual hints, like if she still lives at home, would be another indicator of possible debt.

A degree can still land someone a decent paying job so I don’t think college debt is a very good indicator of bad spending habits. I wouldn’t say college is a good investment but it is a largely a safe one, unless she majors in some bullsh*t.

Now if she shows up in Gucci, Prada, and other expensive crap, and she does nothing for a living or has a job that isn’t really supporting that life style... I think we can all gather that she is sh*t at money management.

 

[Igetit!]

when you say, "So, have you paid off college debt?" when they just mention just now finishing up their "masters" and she's 34 years old? Any time a woman says something about "my masters" or "just got my degree" I IMMEDIATELY ask that question and Most of them won't answer the question or cut me off after that.

But what's your goal in asking this question?

You saying she has to be debt-free in order for you to sleep with her?

And yeah, I hardly even know her, just met, but I'm not waiting to find out if she's heavy in debt I want to know NOW!

You want to know NOW. Ok....and if she does turn out to have debt,then what? Sex is off the table?

It'd seem to me you'd only want this information if you have potential marriage in mind.

And if you "hardly know" her and have just met,that may not be the best time to start projecting future plans and wedding bliss together.

 

[Spaz]

OP ur social awareness needs some fine tuning.

Yes, sure debt is a problem for some people ONLY when they can't manage it, for those that can easily manage their debts, it's not a big deal.

You simply can't go around doing as you did to women you're just met, that you hardly even know and truly expect a positive reaction. That's being socially inept and all around counter productive.

Remember that you are on a date to have fun, to get laid and simply enjoy her company.

That's your goal.

 

[Murk]

What happened to friendly banter, being warm/open and not putting people down the first chance you get?

Some of you guys are living in your head, there’s no way you’re this sarcastic/confrontational/condescending irl, I won’t believe it.