Older Men Who Give It All To The Wife

[Epic Days]

The reduction of a man is incremental. It is subtle and highly invasive to his mind and soul. There is no evil intent within the woman as a rule. Naturally there may be real exceptions. It's a matter of holding a man in place so he wont abandon her, yet best facilitates her imperative to jump to another man for resources and/or sex.

Can a man stay married for 20-30 years to a woman and not be reduced? Highly unlikely. The mere fact that you are slowly reducing, completely unaware of this at first as the man, actually falls into the natural order of things. Your protection biology + her biology = reduction. Socially unrestrained at this time, she can do or act in any manner she decides without consequences.

So a man will have to make decisions long before commitments.

 

[Spaz]

The reduction of a man is incremental. It is subtle and highly invasive to his mind and soul. There is no evil intent within the woman as a rule. Naturally there may be real exceptions. It's a matter of holding a man in place so he wont abandon her, yet best facilitates her imperative to jump to another man for resources and/or sex.

Can a man stay married for 20-30 years to a woman and not be reduced? Highly unlikely. The mere fact that you are slowly reducing, completely unaware of this at first as the man, actually falls into the natural order of things. Your protection biology + her biology = reduction. Socially unrestrained at this time, she can do or act in any manner she decides without consequences.

So a man will have to make decisions long before commitments.

Clever.

That's the problem with monogamous marriages.

It empowers women and its actually not natural.

The only way I see for a man to circumvent this in a monogamous marriage is getting married in his 40's to an early 20's woman.

He'd have a higher EQ vs hers to easily mold her into his reality.

But he must also have other traits, leadership being top.

 

[Epic Days]

He'd have a higher EQ vs hers to easily mold her into his reality.

But he must also have other traits, leadership being top.

So true.

 

[Epic Days]

It empowers women and its actually not natural.

I've been thinking about this statement ever since you wrote it @Spaz .

There can be a level of truth to this that I hadn't thought about. I've learned to question all my ideas and beliefs. Generally they are mostly wrong until I get them sorted out.

What you wrote in this sentence would, in fact, be in alignment with social programming. This would change the concept of man/women dynamics decisively. My premise was that it was natural to be reduced IF one went into a monogamous situation.
Could you expand on this a little more from the perspective of primitive man?

This would also fall into the idea that it was men who wanted marriage so that they had exclusive access to a woman when the women would generally chase the most assertive leaders, hunters, builders within a tribe to facilitate procreation. She may have procreated with numerous men within the tribe. The higher end assertive men.
Based on this...marriage or monogamous would equate to submissive male in service to her other needs, automatically in her mind. Evolved biology of course. In the modern world without restraints, this would be amplified exponentially.

 

[Spaz]

I've been thinking about this statement ever since you wrote it @Spaz .

There can be a level of truth to this that I hadn't thought about. I've learned to question all my ideas and beliefs. Generally they are mostly wrong until I get them sorted out.

What you wrote in this sentence would, in fact, be in alignment with social programming. This would change the concept of man/women dynamics decisively. My premise was that it was natural to be reduced IF one went into a monogamous situation.
Could you expand on this a little more from the perspective of primitive man?

This would also fall into the idea that it was men who wanted marriage so that they had exclusive access to a woman when the women would generally chase the most assertive leaders, hunters, builders within a tribe to facilitate procreation. She may have procreated with numerous men within the tribe. The higher end assertive men.
Based on this...marriage or monogamous would equate to submissive male in service to her other needs, automatically in her mind. Evolved biology of course. In the modern world without restraints, this would be amplified exponentially.

I can only relate to my experiences and from there make conclusions.

For any man to successfully have any meaningful relationships with women he'd must possess higher EQ with higher dominance then she has.

Anything lesser will yield a lopsided relationship where the woman subconsciously leads, which would work up until she leaves or cheats because it's not natural for her.

 

[logicallefty]

I can only relate to my experiences and from there make conclusions.

For any man to successfully have any meaningful relationships with women he'd must possess higher EQ with higher dominance then she has.

Anything lesser will yield a lopsided relationship where the woman subconsciously leads, which would work up until she leaves or cheats because it's not natural for her.

Bingo. Hence why relationships have such a high failure rate. Too many women want to be men these days. Miss “I’m independent and gonna prove it to the world”

 

[Epic Days]

For any man to successfully have any meaningful relationships with women he'd must possess higher EQ with higher dominance then she has.

I’m not sure I understand “EQ” fully maybe.

 

[Spaz]

I’m not sure I understand “EQ” fully maybe.

EQ has broad meaning and its application is equally broad.

But for this discussion it's maturity and ability to lead/influence women.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Like some of the others have said, try 99%, seriously. When you can get the vast, vast majority of guys who are married to have some frank discussions, they'll tell you they are and probably have been unhappy in their marriages since shortly after they got married. It gets real in a hurry for a man once they get married. And if you add in kids? It's over for him. Gone is the doting, the attention, most of the sex, most of the respect, all because of those one or two acts.

I'm telling you, you can be a great guy, have you sh*t together and once you do those one or two things, all that doesn't matter much. Why, why you ask? Because she's got you and she knows it. You know, I've finally learned my lesson about modern marriage and family, albeit a little late, it's fairly worthless.

As a guy, your wife, your family, your resources can all be taken at a moment's notice. You can be treated like a pariah erand pushed out the door, only to be replaced shortly thereafter and the final insult/cherry on top is that you have to still be on the hook for paying for it all. Her instagram life with her new man, paraded around as a wonderful stepfather and how unworthy that you are, all while you are paying for it.

I could have only wished that my father could have tutored me on hypergamy, to clue me in early on to the game, so I could be doing and living life more to the fullest. Right now, I should be having more fun than an adult male should be allowed to have. The reality? I'm over a barrel with a harpy, and my girls will end up quite a bit like her, so it's her times 3 that will be coming at me in future years. I screwed up royally, I literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Have you ever sat down, put pencil to paper, and figured out to the dollar what it would cost you to get out of your situation? Figuring lawyers, maybe another place to live, maintenance/alimony, child support, etc.?

No one knows how things work, BUT if we only get ONE life to live, then I would (and am) live it the best way possible with no regrets. Marriage was a mistake and it is for most men, but it can also be undone--divorce. Not pretty, but neither is war, but at some point things settle out. You take your hits now for a better future.

There is ALWAYS a solution. Yes, you'll come out looking like Rocky Balboa x10, but you'll heal and get a semblance of your life back. To me, that would be worth far more than "money."

Well, I know it wasn't you who held me down
Heaven knows it wasn't you who set me free
So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains
And we never even know we have the key
- The Eagles - Already Gone

Good luck.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

These men like this make me want to puke up every last drop of bile out of my liver.

Women don't know how to lead. I blame low testosterone cuck for not training her right.

He could be crushing a sugar baby 18-23 and trolling her into oblivion.

Its male feminists and cucks getting what they deserve.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Bingo. Hence why relationships have such a high failure rate. Too many women want to be men these days. Miss “I’m independent and gonna prove it to the world”

Agreed but far too many cucks with low testosterone pandering to women who would be stoned in the middle east. Not wedded and gifted children and resources.

 

[glass half full]

Women don't know how to lead. I blame low testosterone cuck for not training her right.

He could be crushing a sugar baby 18-23 and trolling her into oblivion.

Its male feminists and cucks getting what they deserve.

Don't blame the player, blame the game.
Cuck-shaming men isn't the answer, any more than blaming the woman. Men and Women are living out what they have been progammed, whether by society or their parents/upbringings.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Don't blame the player, blame the game.
Cuck-shaming men isn't the answer, any more than blaming the woman. Men and Women are living out what they have been progammed, whether by society or their parents/upbringings.

All you did was defend low testosterone.

Doing the robbery on cucks and betas is child's play.

Step your game up kuz.