When the communication feels "Natural"

[Glassguy]

Just like the title says- a lot of guys post threads about how natural things flow with certain women from getting the number, getting in their DM's to the first date and so forth.

Its very simple. If she has HIGH interest in you and you have HIGH interest in her, things will go "naturally". If one has lower interest (mild or low interest) things dont go so well.

I will tell you this- all of my plates started out with things being very natural. The conversations flowed. I didnt have to wait 14 hours or 2 days for them to text me back. Although I dont expect immediate responses because I am a busy guy and they dont always get immediate responses to me.

"She must be the one because we get along so naturally"- WRONG. You just both have high interest in each other NOW.

There is still a process to be followed when you find yourself in this position: You must still remain mysterious. You must still remain a man with abundance. She must still validate herself to YOU.

Which leads to this: when you find a woman that shows high interest and things flow naturally and smoothly, I see guys that often say "there must be another guy in the picture because she now acts more distant". WRONG. The thing that probably changed was YOUR behavior. You thought this one was in the bag......she was "The one"........she felt as though you were not as valuable as she thought because you became ALWAYS AVAILABLE after a short period of time. You put her on a pedestal and she didnt have to work for you anymore.

This is a very real and VERY important thing in building a rotation: The key is to keep her interest high and actually build it by not changing your own behavior. There is no point where she feels as if she doesnt have to keep working for your non sexual attention. She doesnt see you become a doormat and suddenly give into her because you have other things and other women in your life.

Get it? She isnt going to LOSE interest over you not always being available and having other things going on. She will actually GAIN interest in you.

To have a solid rotation of 2, 3 or even 4 woman (and keep them around for a while) you MUST make sure that you are ONLY spinning plates that have high interest in you and you in them. Period. Anything else is a complete waste of time and that is why some of you dudes are confused, frustrated and insecure. You are too invested and she lost attraction for you because she realized that you werent the catch she thought you were.

Make sense?

I can help anyone build a rotation. They might be a rotation of 8s and 9s or they might be a rotation of 6's and 7s. That depends on you. If you can get one 8 you can get 3 more. Seriously.

But it does you no good if you start having oneitis from one of them or start changing the behavior that got you that first one to begin with. In all actuality the first one is the hardest to get. The 2nd and 3rd ones are EASY because you will have some swag to you simply because you have OPTIONS and they will quickly detect that. You will be the guy walking around with confidence and not scared to approach because you have 2 more that will come over tonight if this approach doesnt work out.

Building a rotation takes a little time, a LOT of proper screening (no wasted time, money and resources) but you MUST be able to quickly identify a woman with lower interest than you are willing to spin as a plate. Things should move "naturally and smoothly" with any plate you spin so they do not become a major pain in the @ss shortly down the road.

There are millions of single women ready to get d!cked down tonight. Go find 2 or 3 that have HIGH interest from the start and it will make your plate spinning and rotation building MUCH MUCH easier.

 

[lamath]

Very well said and good logical point.
If HL they will.make conversation ez

 

[GrowingPains]

@Glassguy , good to see another post from you.

How do potential prospects enter your life? During my undergrad years I was in a relationship, so I didn't put a lot of emphasis on building my social circle - dumb move. I'm going through that 'phase' now. From reading your posts, it seems like you've lived a life of abundance for some time and in many different phases of your life. I'm sure many people would benefit from hearing general examples of how you meet women. Is it cold approaching? Social circle? Something you do outside of those things? Most relevant to me is the time in college and after. I'm sure baseball (I think I remember you saying you played) and the social circle it created afforded you many opportunities to meet women. Were there any other things that you particularly remember presented you with abundant opportunities to meet women?

I'm a graduate student in a new area and I'm making friends slowly but surely. I get in my own head like everyone does but I'm fairly confident and socially adept. So nowadays I'm just trying to relax a bit and just meet people - making friends and plates are alike, a numbers game. And I need to get my numbers up. I could go outside and see 5 attractive girls within minutes, so it's not like there aren't any. It's just that I'm not that tied into the social scene to know where I can meet them other than cold approaching all the time - which is a bit unnecessary given that I'm in college.

 

[flowtheory]

Just like the title says- a lot of guys post threads about how natural things flow with certain women from getting the number, getting in their DM's to the first date and so forth.

Its very simple. If she has HIGH interest in you and you have HIGH interest in her, things will go "naturally". If one has lower interest (mild or low interest) things dont go so well.

I will tell you this- all of my plates started out with things being very natural. The conversations flowed. I didnt have to wait 14 hours or 2 days for them to text me back. Although I dont expect immediate responses because I am a busy guy and they dont always get immediate responses to me.

"She must be the one because we get along so naturally"- WRONG. You just both have high interest in each other NOW.

There is still a process to be followed when you find yourself in this position: You must still remain mysterious. You must still remain a man with abundance. She must still validate herself to YOU.

Which leads to this: when you find a woman that shows high interest and things flow naturally and smoothly, I see guys that often say "there must be another guy in the picture because she now acts more distant". WRONG. The thing that probably changed was YOUR behavior. You thought this one was in the bag......she was "The one"........she felt as though you were not as valuable as she thought because you became ALWAYS AVAILABLE after a short period of time. You put her on a pedestal and she didnt have to work for you anymore.

This is a very real and VERY important thing in building a rotation: The key is to keep her interest high and actually build it by not changing your own behavior. There is no point where she feels as if she doesnt have to keep working for your non sexual attention. She doesnt see you become a doormat and suddenly give into her because you have other things and other women in your life.

Get it? She isnt going to LOSE interest over you not always being available and having other things going on. She will actually GAIN interest in you.

To have a solid rotation of 2, 3 or even 4 woman (and keep them around for a while) you MUST make sure that you are ONLY spinning plates that have high interest in you and you in them. Period. Anything else is a complete waste of time and that is why some of you dudes are confused, frustrated and insecure. You are too invested and she lost attraction for you because she realized that you werent the catch she thought you were.

Make sense?

I can help anyone build a rotation. They might be a rotation of 8s and 9s or they might be a rotation of 6's and 7s. That depends on you. If you can get one 8 you can get 3 more. Seriously.

But it does you no good if you start having oneitis from one of them or start changing the behavior that got you that first one to begin with. In all actuality the first one is the hardest to get. The 2nd and 3rd ones are EASY because you will have some swag to you simply because you have OPTIONS and they will quickly detect that. You will be the guy walking around with confidence and not scared to approach because you have 2 more that will come over tonight if this approach doesnt work out.

Building a rotation takes a little time, a LOT of proper screening (no wasted time, money and resources) but you MUST be able to quickly identify a woman with lower interest than you are willing to spin as a plate. Things should move "naturally and smoothly" with any plate you spin so they do not become a major pain in the @ss shortly down the road.

There are millions of single women ready to get d!cked down tonight. Go find 2 or 3 that have HIGH interest from the start and it will make your plate spinning and rotation building MUCH MUCH easier.

Would be interested to see you talk about relationships. I know this isn’t what you’re after right now, or what a lot of this site caters to, but some guys - myself included - here might find value in it.
As it’s one thing to get women, but another to keep them thoroughly attracted and high interest.
Because ultimately I do believe plays spinning and all of the game is more of a way to find the best match for oneself and in the end find a meaningful relationship with one woman

 

[lamath]

Would be interested to see you talk about relationships. I know this isn’t what you’re after right now, or what a lot of this site caters to, but some guys - myself included - here might find value in it.
As it’s one thing to get women, but another to keep them thoroughly attracted and high interest.
Because ultimately I do believe plays spinning and all of the game is more of a way to find the best match for oneself and in the end find a meaningful relationship with one woman

i agree info on LTR are lacking in this forum.

Might i suggest Tactical guide to women from Dr Shaw T Smith, help spot ltr potential of women.
Might help you evalutae your current LYR

 

[ubercat]

Plenty of ltr info here look up my threads or some of the wifed guys like Motu or backbreaker

 

[Trump]

To have a solid rotation of 2, 3 or even 4 woman (and keep them around for a while) you MUST make sure that you are ONLY spinning plates that have high interest in you and you in them. Period. Anything else is a complete waste of time and that is why some of you dudes are confused, frustrated and insecure. You are too invested and she lost attraction for you because she realized that you werent the catch she thought you were.

Make sense?

Sorry bro. Does not make it sense .

I've seen guys, when they meet girls they like and are attracted to, they do not let the girl out of their sight. They are in their face, in their face, in their face, in their face, they pick the girl up everyday after class, after school, after work, they phone, they phone, they phone. They don't let the girl out of their sight, they don't let the girl breathe, or give her another a chance to meet any other guy, until they wife them up and get the pregnant. Then they can sit back and "build" their rotation of girls.

Only my experience.

I can help anyone build a rotation. They might be a rotation of 8s and 9s or they might be a rotation of 6's and 7s. That depends on you. If you can get one 8 you can get 3 more. Seriously.

You help me build a rotation of 8/10's. I'll help you be a multi-millionaire. Seriously. It is so easy to be multi millionaire. You guys won't believe how easy it is once you know the simple tricks.

There are millions of single women ready to get d!cked down tonight. Go find 2 or 3 that have HIGH interest from the start and it will make your plate spinning and rotation building MUCH MUCH easier.

There are millions and billions of dollars out there ready to be thrown in your bank account. All you have to is make the first million from the start, and the next millions will be much much easier.

I swear bro, you get me 8/10s, I will make you more money than you know what to do with. You will be throwing money away because you will have so much of it.

 

[Glassguy]

Sorry bro. Does not make it sense .

I've seen guys, when they meet girls they like and are attracted to, they do not let the girl out of their sight. They are in their face, in their face, in their face, in their face, they pick the girl up everyday after class, after school, after work, they phone, they phone, they phone. They don't let the girl out of their sight, they don't let the girl breathe, or give her another a chance to meet any other guy, until they wife them up and get the pregnant. Then they can sit back and "build" their rotation of girls.

Only my experience.



You help me build a rotation of 8/10's. I'll help you be a multi-millionaire. Seriously. It is so easy to be multi millionaire. You guys won't believe how easy it is once you know the simple tricks.



There are millions and billions of dollars out there ready to be thrown in your bank account. All you have to is make the first million from the start, and the next millions will be much much easier.

I swear bro, you get me 8/10s, I will make you more money than you know what to do with. You will be throwing money away because you will have so much of it.

What I wrote actually makes PERFECT sense. And it works.

The number 1 issue with guys that try to build (and manage) a rotation is they dont know how to manage their time with 2+ chicks.

The last thing a man can do during the rotation building process (and replacing a poor plate in rotation) is get hung up and waste time dealing with a woman who has very luke warm interest or low interest.

I treat a potential plate the same as I would a potential LTR candidate. Want to know why? Because they are just that. Dealing with a low/luke warm interested chick only wastes time and resources. Dealing with women who have high interest should be the first and foremost prerequisite in ANY form of dating (LTR, Plates, Rotation, etc).

I dont sit around trying to decipher a woman's hot and cold texts. I dont have to figure out if she wants to meet up for a drink or not because I can read high interest. The only thing I need to do is invite her out.

Please let me know if you find that confusing and I can evaluate more.

 

[Thechamp]

Sorry bro. Does not make it sense .

I've seen guys, when they meet girls they like and are attracted to, they do not let the girl out of their sight. They are in their face, in their face, in their face, in their face, they pick the girl up everyday after class, after school, after work, they phone, they phone, they phone. They don't let the girl out of their sight, they don't let the girl breathe, or give her another a chance to meet any other guy, until they wife them up and get the pregnant. Then they can sit back and "build" their rotation of girls.

Only my experience.



You help me build a rotation of 8/10's. I'll help you be a multi-millionaire. Seriously. It is so easy to be multi millionaire. You guys won't believe how easy it is once you know the simple tricks.



There are millions and billions of dollars out there ready to be thrown in your bank account. All you have to is make the first million from the start, and the next millions will be much much easier.

I swear bro, you get me 8/10s, I will make you more money than you know what to do with. You will be throwing money away because you will have so much of it.

Man I can even tell you how to get 8a 9s of your a millionaire so easy if your cashed up like that !!

 

[Glassguy]

@Glassguy , good to see another post from you.

How do potential prospects enter your life? During my undergrad years I was in a relationship, so I didn't put a lot of emphasis on building my social circle - dumb move. I'm going through that 'phase' now. From reading your posts, it seems like you've lived a life of abundance for some time and in many different phases of your life. I'm sure many people would benefit from hearing general examples of how you meet women. Is it cold approaching? Social circle? Something you do outside of those things? Most relevant to me is the time in college and after. I'm sure baseball (I think I remember you saying you played) and the social circle it created afforded you many opportunities to meet women. Were there any other things that you particularly remember presented you with abundant opportunities to meet women?

I'm a graduate student in a new area and I'm making friends slowly but surely. I get in my own head like everyone does but I'm fairly confident and socially adept. So nowadays I'm just trying to relax a bit and just meet people - making friends and plates are alike, a numbers game. And I need to get my numbers up. I could go outside and see 5 attractive girls within minutes, so it's not like there aren't any. It's just that I'm not that tied into the social scene to know where I can meet them other than cold approaching all the time - which is a bit unnecessary given that I'm in college.

Social circles and or social media which are very similar. For example- your social circle identifies (to a point) your status, which reflects on your SMV. Social media is no different other that it is online. I actually have a decent amount of women who add me on FB. I know that a lot of guys preach against this, but it is simple and effective. They send me a friend request and if they are attractive and we have a decent amount of mutual friends I will accept it. While I NEVER shoot them a fb message the day I accept it, with a couple days I might reach out by using something that I find interesting or a mutual hobby, etc. on their fb page. Or I can use a mutual friend as long as I know they are a friend of hers and not just a random fb add.

My fb message convo is no different than approaching a woman in real life. It is basically the same convo but done over a message.

I rarely cold approach. I will on occasion but its not something I do even on a bi weekly basis. I couldnt tell you the last time I went on a date from OLD. I get on OLD occasionally but I am rarely active on there.

Would be interested to see you talk about relationships. I know this isn’t what you’re after right now, or what a lot of this site caters to, but some guys - myself included - here might find value in it.
As it’s one thing to get women, but another to keep them thoroughly attracted and high interest.
Because ultimately I do believe plays spinning and all of the game is more of a way to find the best match for oneself and in the end find a meaningful relationship with one woman

Its not that I am not interested in a LTR, its that I dont feel as if I NEED to be in one to be a happy person. The end game would be to find someone that I truly get along with on all levels- physical, sexual, emotional and psychological. I just wont "settle" in order to be in a relationship.
In today's society some people look at single people as deficient. I totally disagree with that. Look around at all of the men in LTR's and marriages who are totally miserable. That is deficiency. I am fine. I have been in this lifestyle for several years and know that I am happy either way. Both have their pros and cons.
I dont think that keeping a chick interested and attracted in a LTR is any different than in a rotation. The key is to start with a strong frame and maintain it. You cant attract a woman by being one type of man and slowly fade into something less (become a doormat, become available all the time, etc etc) and expect the woman's view of you to not change. So the ultimate key is to start strong and remain strong. Remain a man and remain the leader in the relationship. It can never be 50/50. It has to ALWAYS be at least 51/49. The reason is at the end of the day the woman is looking for leadership, maturity and protection from a man in a thriving LTR. Being the 51%+ means that at the end of the day you can make the final decision on tough situations.

 

[AJ84]

Just like the title says- a lot of guys post threads about how natural things flow with certain women from getting the number, getting in their DM's to the first date and so forth.

Its very simple. If she has HIGH interest in you and you have HIGH interest in her, things will go "naturally". If one has lower interest (mild or low interest) things dont go so well.

I will tell you this- all of my plates started out with things being very natural. The conversations flowed. I didnt have to wait 14 hours or 2 days for them to text me back. Although I dont expect immediate responses because I am a busy guy and they dont always get immediate responses to me.

"She must be the one because we get along so naturally"- WRONG. You just both have high interest in each other NOW.

There is still a process to be followed when you find yourself in this position: You must still remain mysterious. You must still remain a man with abundance. She must still validate herself to YOU.

Which leads to this: when you find a woman that shows high interest and things flow naturally and smoothly, I see guys that often say "there must be another guy in the picture because she now acts more distant". WRONG. The thing that probably changed was YOUR behavior. You thought this one was in the bag......she was "The one"........she felt as though you were not as valuable as she thought because you became ALWAYS AVAILABLE after a short period of time. You put her on a pedestal and she didnt have to work for you anymore.

This is a very real and VERY important thing in building a rotation: The key is to keep her interest high and actually build it by not changing your own behavior. There is no point where she feels as if she doesnt have to keep working for your non sexual attention. She doesnt see you become a doormat and suddenly give into her because you have other things and other women in your life.

Get it? She isnt going to LOSE interest over you not always being available and having other things going on. She will actually GAIN interest in you.

To have a solid rotation of 2, 3 or even 4 woman (and keep them around for a while) you MUST make sure that you are ONLY spinning plates that have high interest in you and you in them. Period. Anything else is a complete waste of time and that is why some of you dudes are confused, frustrated and insecure. You are too invested and she lost attraction for you because she realized that you werent the catch she thought you were.

Make sense?

I can help anyone build a rotation. They might be a rotation of 8s and 9s or they might be a rotation of 6's and 7s. That depends on you. If you can get one 8 you can get 3 more. Seriously.

But it does you no good if you start having oneitis from one of them or start changing the behavior that got you that first one to begin with. In all actuality the first one is the hardest to get. The 2nd and 3rd ones are EASY because you will have some swag to you simply because you have OPTIONS and they will quickly detect that. You will be the guy walking around with confidence and not scared to approach because you have 2 more that will come over tonight if this approach doesnt work out.

Building a rotation takes a little time, a LOT of proper screening (no wasted time, money and resources) but you MUST be able to quickly identify a woman with lower interest than you are willing to spin as a plate. Things should move "naturally and smoothly" with any plate you spin so they do not become a major pain in the @ss shortly down the road.

There are millions of single women ready to get d!cked down tonight. Go find 2 or 3 that have HIGH interest from the start and it will make your plate spinning and rotation building MUCH MUCH easier.

I agree being too available is a turn off.
I also see many women approached dating in much the same way that men here do, which is date more than one guy, see who she connects with the most and considers trying for a relationship with that guy.

So, women spinning plates as well.

Yes she should earn your time and qualify, but that goes both ways. I think that’s where some guys get stuck, assuming that they can have a group of girls they see who are only focused on him don’t need him to qualify for their investment, and are not meeting other guys. That on the days when he’s not with her, she’s not meeting or chatting to other guys.

I would say that up to and including the point where she verbally pushes for exclusivity, assume she is meeting other guys.

The message that women get and many follow is that unless it’s a relationship, she’s free to date other guys, and I think some of the stories we read here where guys are dealing with flakiness etc is a reflection of that view. Not saying it’s always a good thing but it is a thing. Women know the game more than some guys think and they follow the lead of the guy in many cases.

 

[flowtheory]

I agree being too available is a turn off.
I also see many women approached dating in much the same way that men here do, which is date more than one guy, see who she connects with the most and considers trying for a relationship with that guy.

So, women spinning plates as well.

Yes she should earn your time and qualify, but that goes both ways. I think that’s where some guys get stuck, assuming that they can have a group of girls they see who are only focused on him don’t need him to qualify for their investment, and are not meeting other guys. That on the days when he’s not with her, she’s not meeting or chatting to other guys.

I would say that up to and including the point where she verbally pushes for exclusivity, assume she is meeting other guys.

The message that women get and many follow is that unless it’s a relationship, she’s free to date other guys, and I think some of the stories we read here where guys are dealing with flakiness etc is a reflection of that view. Not saying it’s always a good thing but it is a thing. Women know the game more than some guys think and they follow the lead of the guy in many cases.

I think women know game way better than men

I think it’s good to be available. The problem in that aspect is when one person is always pushing for hanging out while the other is sitting back and being pursued. Had to go both ways

 

[Glassguy]

I agree being too available is a turn off.
I also see many women approached dating in much the same way that men here do, which is date more than one guy, see who she connects with the most and considers trying for a relationship with that guy.

So, women spinning plates as well.

Yes she should earn your time and qualify, but that goes both ways. I think that’s where some guys get stuck, assuming that they can have a group of girls they see who are only focused on him don’t need him to qualify for their investment, and are not meeting other guys. That on the days when he’s not with her, she’s not meeting or chatting to other guys.

I would say that up to and including the point where she verbally pushes for exclusivity, assume she is meeting other guys.

The message that women get and many follow is that unless it’s a relationship, she’s free to date other guys, and I think some of the stories we read here where guys are dealing with flakiness etc is a reflection of that view. Not saying it’s always a good thing but it is a thing. Women know the game more than some guys think and they follow the lead of the guy in many cases.

Absolutely agree.

Any chick that is decently attractive is getting hit on by several guys on any given day. But also realize that doesnt change just because a chick has a BF. The orbiters are still there for her attention wh0ring.

They quickly classify those guys as potential sexual partners or friend zone. That depends on attraction (looks) and how the guy carries himself. Someone who is totally available and who comes across as doing anything to see her will quickly fall in the friend zone category.

 

[AJ84]

Absolutely agree.

Any chick that is decently attractive is getting hit on by several guys on any given day. But also realize that doesnt change just because a chick has a BF. The orbiters are still there for her attention wh0ring.

They quickly classify those guys as potential sexual partners or friend zone. That depends on attraction (looks) and how the guy carries himself. Someone who is totally available and who comes across as doing anything to see her will quickly fall in the friend zone category.

True, but she may be pursuing more than one guy who she desires, while keeping the orbiters, who she doesn’t. The orbiters are just filler in between desired guys. The guy to go to movie with when she’s bored etc.
I guess what I’m saying is successfully managing a girl as a plate using strategies that typically attract women, does not mean another guy isn’t doing the same thing with her. Many women pursue more than one guy who they are attracted to especially if they are not in a committed relationship and esp if they have options.

Not saying anything has to change with the guy’s strategy, just know that going in. Especially is she’s hot with lots of options. Like you and many other guys with lots of options, she may date a few desirable people and see where it goes with any one of them. Remember that the orbiters are just that, but a hot girl with options isn’t limited to orbiters, if she has free time she can easily spread her attention around other guys she desires, not just one guy.

Just like you are doing.

 

[SoSuave666]

I agree with most points but the one point I do not agree on is high interest on my part. Yes, your plate must have high interest in you. But for me at least, I simply do not have high interest in a lot of women. It's hard to find one let alone three quality women that will keep my interest level high.

True, but she may be pursuing more than one guy who she desires, while keeping the orbiters, who she doesn’t. The orbiters are just filler in between desired guys. The guy to go to movie with when she’s bored etc.
I guess what I’m saying is successfully managing a girl as a plate using strategies that typically attract women, does not mean another guy isn’t doing the same thing with her. Many women pursue more than one guy who they are attracted to especially if they are not in a committed relationship and esp if they have options.

Not saying anything has to change with the guy’s strategy, just know that going in. Especially is she’s hot with lots of options. Like you and many other guys with lots of options, she may date a few desirable people and see where it goes with any one of them. Remember that the orbiters are just that, but a hot girl with options isn’t limited to orbiters, if she has free time she can easily spread her attention around other guys she desires, not just one guy.

Just like you are doing.

She can also do this more freely and more easily than any man outside of the top 2%. This is why I typically find plate spinning to be a good 3-6 month prospect usually. I have kept one around for 9 or 10 months but eventually they will want to lock you down. If they choose you, and you reject them (plate status is a rejection when they want a meaningful LTR) they will walk away. Any high status person would do so, not just women.

The difference is, women have such an advantage when it comes to the sexual marketplace that walking away isn't nearly as fearful as it is for men. Even high value men don't have the options a 7 does today.

Remember: once a female dates "up" in SMV that becomes her default SMV. She now hypergamously will only date at or above her new level.

 

[guru1000]

Remember: once a female dates "up" in SMV that becomes her default SMV. She now hypergamously will only date at or above her new level.

My man; you live in NYC, right? Go to any hot venue: Most 8s and 9s are dating down, guys with average looks. And I know plenty of millionaires that cannot bang hot women, so it's not money alone.

It's social status and game mostly.

 

[SoSuave666]

My man; you live in NYC, right? Go to any hot venue: Most 8s and 9s are dating down, guys with average looks. And I know plenty of millionaires that cannot bang hot women, so it's not money alone.

It's social status and game mostly.

I am in a medium city in Virginia. Used to live in DC though which I think might be the worst possible place to pick up women in the world. Not sure about NYC, been there once and had a ONS with an 8.

I don't argue game can overcome money/looks, it's part of SMV. so if the guy is a 6 looks wise but has money, his game is tight, and his social circle loves him, he can be an 8 in the eyes of women. So theoretically she is dating sideways/up depending on her level. That's the advantage for men, we have more things than just looks that go in to our SMV calculation.