Jordan Peterson agrees with nofap

[17 shots]

This is the thing that makes no sense to me about NoFap. People complain that masturbation will lower your testosterone. But I see no logical reason why that wouldn't also be true through regular sex with a female. I've read some people say something about absorbing something from the vagina that prevents it, but that makes no sense to me. For that matter, what if you have an orgasm from a girl giving you a handjob? Is that harmful? How about a BJ?

That said, I do think that abstaining from any sort of sex will increase your testosterone - up to a point.

your brain knows the difference between when you have an orgasm through physical contact with a woman, and when it's masturbation. There is a testosterone boost when you are intimate with a woman because you are feeling a real sense of accomplishment, it's an achievement. With masturbation, you're not proud of yourself when you're done, you almost feel shameful

 

[Trump]

It was so intense that I didn't even want to have an orgasm with her, because I was afraid I'd lose it

Lose what?

 

[corrector]

your brain knows the difference between when you have an orgasm through physical contact with a woman, and when it's masturbation. There is a testosterone boost when you are intimate with a woman because you are feeling a real sense of accomplishment, it's an achievement. With masturbation, you're not proud of yourself when you're done, you almost feel shameful

Suppose you are paying an escort? You are physically intimate with a woman as well there too, but I fail to see how that would be a real sense of accomplishment or achievement. Suppose you got a bad deal out of it by your SO where she's taking advantage of you, treating you badly, and cheating on you, it's presenting it in a way you feel used?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Suppose you are paying an escort? You are physically intimate with a woman as well there too, but I fail to see how that would be a real sense of accomplishment or achievement.

Escort wont usually feed you desire. Youll get body to body contact but she doesnt really want you there. Better than jagging off and no sex but sex where you are desired is where you need to be.

 

[zekko]

There is a testosterone boost when you are intimate with a woman because you are feeling a real sense of accomplishment, it's an achievement. l

I don't think that having sex with a woman being an accomplishment is consistent with the forum's message. Everyone always says you should be happy on your own.

But even if you are right, you are talking about a psychological boost compared to a physiological drain. Not that I'm disagreeing, except I still don't think you'll get a literal testosterone boost. Probably a boost of other types of hormones, but not testosterone. In fact, I've heard that intercourse actually reduces testosterone, because that will make you more likely to stick around and care for the baby (if there is one).

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't think that having sex with a woman being an accomplishment is consistent with the forum's message. Everyone always says you should be happy on your own.

But even if you are right, you are talking about a psychological boost compared to a physiological drain. Not that I'm disagreeing, except I still don't think you'll get a literal testosterone boost. Probably a boost of other types of hormones, but not testosterone. In fact, I've heard that intercourse actually reduces testosterone, because that will make you more likely to stick around and care for the baby (if there is one).

Being with a babe whose sexual energy goes crazy for you revs your sexual energy up.

 

[corrector]

Escort wont usually feed you desire. Youll get body to body contact but she doesnt really want you there. Better than jagging off and no sex but sex where you are desired is where you need to be.

I don't get that. You get body to body contact, so I guess that means you are actually having sex with her? Suppose the escort initiates the sex? Why would she initiate the sex if she doesn't want you go to inside her? Is the testosterone going up or not if you are using an escort?

Let's call a spade a space. The body recognizes the real thing with another woman, so it won't matter what's in the other woman's mind, per see, because your own body knows the difference between something that's on the other side of a screen vs a real living and breathing woman.

 

[corrector]

I don't think that having sex with a woman being an accomplishment is consistent with the forum's message. Everyone always says you should be happy on your own.

I don't get that message from this forum at all from most of the posts and threads on here. People on here view having sex with a woman is an accomplishment and do not believe that they can be happy on their own like MGTOW monk-mode or incel. Look at how many posts disparage the ideas of both these concepts whenever they are brought up or urge people to settle if they are not landing a proper woman. So I don't know where you are getting this "everyone always says". It may just be the two of us that believe that on here.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't get that. You get body to body contact, so I guess that means you are actually having sex with her? Suppose the escort initiates the sex? Why would she initiate the sex if she doesn't want you go to inside her? Is the testosterone going up or not if you are using an escort?

Let's call a spade a space. The body recognizes the real thing with another woman, so it won't matter what's in the other woman's mind, per see, because your own body knows the difference between something that's on the other side of a screen vs a real living and breathing woman.

Shes using you for your money. Most of the time they dont desire you inside. They want your money. There is a difference. But escort is better than jagging off.

 

[corrector]

Shes using you for your money. Most of the time they dont desire you inside. They want your money. There is a difference. But escort is better than jagging off.

So that means your testosterone is increased. If that's the case then it's a moot point. I'm only focusing on physiological effects for the purpose of this argument and your argument that fapping is different than real sex because the body knows if it's dealing with a real woman or not on a physiological level. One you start introducing other aspects then you start complicating and adding more variables.

As it seems like you are avoiding the issue, I'll reiterate. If there is any "difference", in pure physiological effect of testosterone production, then you have to admit that either the brain really does not know the difference between real sex with a woman and fapping, or that somehow less testosterone is produced with an escort vs a woman expressing true desire. Either way I see that as undermining the testosterone argument because I don't view desire as a physiological aspect. It sounds more psychological than physiological.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So that means your testosterone is increased. If that's the case then it's a moot point. I'm only focusing on physiological effects for the purpose of this argument and your argument that fapping is different than real sex because the body knows if it's dealing with a real woman or not on a physiological level. One you start introducing other aspects then you start complicating and adding more variables.

As it seems like you are avoiding the issue, I'll reiterate. If there is any "difference", in pure physiological effect of testosterone production, then you have to admit that either the brain really does not know the difference between real sex with a woman and fapping, or that somehow less testosterone is produced with an escort vs a woman expressing true desire. Either way I see that as undermining the testosterone argument because I don't view desire as a physiological aspect. It sounds more psychological than physiological.

I was sayimg true sexual desire on a female kicks your sexual desire up. Its good for your manhood. Escort should be a temporary thing while you find women who desire you.

 

[zekko]

I don't get that message from this forum at all from most of the posts and threads on here. People on here view having sex with a woman is an accomplishment and do not believe that they can be happy on their own like MGTOW monk-mode or incel.

I think it's extremely common for people here to say that you have to be happy on your own before you can be happy with a woman.
Also, to some extent, viewing sex with a woman as an accomplishment puts her on a pedestal, which is another thing people here say to avoid.

I'd have to see some scientific studies specifically showing the differences between orgasm through masturbation and intercourse before I'm convinced there's a major difference physiologically. I doubt if any are forthcoming.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Your brain on porn. Com

 

[corrector]

I was sayimg true sexual desire on a female kicks your sexual desire up. Its good for your manhood. Escort should be a temporary thing while you find women who desire you.

I guess I was confusing your posts and 17 shots. Your posts do seem to be consistent. Okay, 17 shots, what is your weigh-in on this?

Taking your posts at face value, I don't see a difference between fapping and seeing an escort since there is no sexual desire in either example. For practical effect, fapping is way better than seeing an escort because there is no after-effect that lingers on in your system after the fact. You can dismiss the experience as simply not real, whereas, if the escort is a witch or is into some weird stuff and she puts a spell on you after you deal with her, then you are basically screwed.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I guess I was confusing your posts and 17 shots. Your posts do seem to be consistent. Okay, 17 shots, what is your weigh-in on this?

Taking your posts at face value, I don't see a difference between fapping and seeing an escort since there is no sexual desire in either example. For practical effect, fapping is way better than seeing an escort because there is no after-effect that lingers on in your system after the fact. You can dismiss the experience as simply not real, whereas, if the escort is a witch or is into some weird stuff and she puts a spell on you after you deal with her, then you are basically screwed.

Well here pheremones will kick in and she has to physically accept you into her body. Its not desire but it is a step up. And it is taking responsibility to obtain sex. Better than fapping. But obtaining desire is above this.

 

[17 shots]

I guess I was confusing your posts and 17 shots. Your posts do seem to be consistent. Okay, 17 shots, what is your weigh-in on this?

Taking your posts at face value, I don't see a difference between fapping and seeing an escort since there is no sexual desire in either example. For practical effect, fapping is way better than seeing an escort because there is no after-effect that lingers on in your system after the fact. You can dismiss the experience as simply not real, whereas, if the escort is a witch or is into some weird stuff and she puts a spell on you after you deal with her, then you are basically screwed.

Yes, I think what i said would still apply in that scenerio. The fact that men pay for an escort, to me only proves even more, that subconsciously you value the act of physical touch with a woman over masturbation, that's why you're willing to pay money for it

 

[17 shots]

I don't think that having sex with a woman being an accomplishment is consistent with the forum's message. Everyone always says you should be happy on your own.

But even if you are right, you are talking about a psychological boost compared to a physiological drain. Not that I'm disagreeing, except I still don't think you'll get a literal testosterone boost. Probably a boost of other types of hormones, but not testosterone. In fact, I've heard that intercourse actually reduces testosterone, because that will make you more likely to stick around and care for the baby (if there is one).

Maybe it's not testosterone, maybe it's something else, or sexual energy as mrgoodstuff said. Maybe they go hand in hand, idk... I just know that there is definitely an energy you feel when you are horny, and I think it can be transmuted when you aren't using it up through masturbation

 

[corrector]

Yes, I think what i said would still apply in that scenerio. The fact that men pay for an escort, to me only proves even more, that subconsciously you value the act of physical touch with a woman over masturbation, that's why you're willing to pay money for it

I don't pay money to an escort for sex though, and whatever I did 5 years ago was a one-off probably because of a combination of curiosity and last-minute trickery, and frustration. If that was so good, compared to fapping, then I would have gone back again?

I could not fap after seeing the escort back then because I was worried a vortex would suck me out of my soul and I'd go into space. I could not look at porn, escort pics, videos of women singing, or even watch movies. Now fapping, looking at escort pics, and watching movies are all seen as indicators of health and recovery since this time. I find more enjoyment in these things now, such as fapping, then before seeing the escorts 5 years ago.

However it still doesn't change the fact it is a sin and I'm opposed to fapping in principle because of God's holiness, not because it's better or worst than real sex, which is also sin, unless you are married.

 

[Mike32ct]

Lmfao no way.

I never go down on girls. I'm 30. I never will.

I swear on the DJ Bible and book of Pook, I never have to date. Women are disgusting. It seems just straight gay.

That’s how I feel about anal. Will never do it.

 

[17 shots]

Lose what?

when I was doing no fap, whenever I felt horny, I would visualize that energy, and i would try to spread it all through my body. I know it might sound dumb, but I really felt like I was manipulating that stuff lol

When I finally was about to have real sex, I thought this energy was at its peak, like it had become my aura, i was bathing in it. That's what I didn't want to lose