How Do We Get Our Leverage Back?

[spitfire]

Technology and feminism have been a huge one-two whammy working against men and our dating lives. I've never taken an interest in Roosh's work before. I assumed he was just an overseas sex tourist. However, I find that I strongly agree with a couple of articles he's written (probably because the facts are so self evident).

https://www.rooshv.com/women-use-social-networking-to-feel-loved

When the iPhone started gaining popularity, I wrote about how it makes women less capable of love. It puts them on such a thrilling roller coaster ride of attention and fleeting validation that the love of one man becomes just too boring.

It's valid. This is exactly what's happening. Even though I'm a good looking guy, the girl I dated before (a solid hb7) was totally smitten not with any one man but with the waves of attention she received from boatloads of mediocre men.

https://www.rooshv.com/women-are-experts-at-wasting-mens-time

I spent 30 minutes on a girl who had no sexual interest in me, but who didn’t mind having an ultimately meaningless conversation because at that moment I was more exciting than her smartphone or friends. In other words, I was just another TV channel, another app, another web site, another radio station, another dancing **** that made her life slightly more interesting and tolerable than what she is capable of doing herself. She used me to temporarily forget about her boring existence.

This analysis is spot-on observations and aligns almost exactly with the two faux daters I identified in a different thread.

So what are we doing to get our leverage back? How do we level the playing field?

 

[GrowingPains]

Do you mean how does the individual gain it's leverage back or men in general?

If it's the first, recognizing these things is the first step. Then you have to decide whether or not you're okay with it. Which... Most men wouldn't be if they're being honest. Because why do you talk to any woman ever? You wanna fvck. I'm overgeneralizing but you get my point. If you're in a social setting, it's most likely you want to get it in not be her business partner. But all you have to do is be aware. Live your life with a purpose. Learn basic elements of game and truly see yourself as the prize. A man who thinks he's the prize doesn't allow these things to happen. Being ignored because she's looking at her phone. Consistently hanging out with a girl who doesn't let me smash. Why would I invest any time in either of those scenarios or tolerate that behavior (phone)? Take back power by walking away and pursuing situations only you deem interesting and advantageous.

But as for the masses... I don't know. There's a lot of men in the world and a lot of men believe ideas driven by the feminine imperative. And it's not like we can just buy every guy in the world The Rational Male or even start verbally spreading the word publically. Because there will be a lot of backlash from men and women and it wouldn't do any good for the men sharing it for women to know about it. See recent post on sharing The Rational Male with a plate and her son.. the best we can do is make those around us aware. It's take it or leave it. Either you want to be unplugged or you don't. Be warned.. unplugging chumps from the matrix is thankless, dirty work.

 

[spitfire]

Hey all, I meant this as a pro-active, positive thread. It's important to be critical and to understand problems, but we need to be problem-solvers as well. This is the thread for that. Let's get to work! Post all pro-active tips here!

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Unplug go your own way drop the red pill rage after its final stages. Work on your physical image, finances, career, dreams. Maintain frame, set up boundaries, negative experiences are lessons, remain positive

 

[lamath]

Did not read it all,
Even if its not easy you get your leverage by ngaf.

 

[GrowingPains]

Hey all, I meant this as a pro-active, positive thread. It's important to be critical and to understand problems, but we need to be problem-solvers as well. This is the thread for that. Let's get to work! Post all pro-active tips here!

That would require you to clarify my question to some extent.

 

[spitfire]

Roosh's suggestion is to spend at least 15 hours a week on cold approach for maybe half an hour of sex "once in a while." I suppose this is in addition to the 10 hours a week the average man spends on phone dating apps. 30 hours a week for half an hour return once or twice a month. Hmmmm....

with our strong desire for sex, we have to grind it out and spend hours to entertain many women in order to experience 30 minutes of sexual pleasure with one. My advice to you is to not have such a busy lifestyle where you can’t occasionally spend a couple hours a day hunting for women. Don’t be so tired at the end of the day that you can’t do a handful of approaches or go on a long date. This is what’s necessary these days for men just to get laid every once in a while.

Reading that last part made it seem like getting laid is another part time job on top of your existing lifestyle. Well… in the west, it looks like that’s what its coming to.

 

[thelad]

couldn't make it up spitfire

but in the the case of females it is it the same?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Collectively getting leverage back is pointless and serves only to give on an excuse for not pursuing more worthy interests.

Unless of course you are a politician or a victim hustler making money from writing books about how bad men have it.

Getting leverage back individually is straightforward.

Build as much value as you can and relentlessly qualify people you allow to be part of your world.

Of course, getting individual leverage is difficult, time consuming and requires a lot of risk and uncertainty.

Which is why most would rather join the "men are victims what are we going to do" about it.

I had a GF in high school and when I said, "what are we going to do?" She would reply:

"Who's we? You got a mouse in your pocket?"

 

[spitfire]

I'll take a look at the DJ Bible material. A ton of material, overwhelming even, but I can spend 15-30 minutes a day reading.

 

[GrowingPains]

with our strong desire for sex, we have to grind it out and spend hours to entertain many women in order to experience 30 minutes of sexual pleasure with one. My advice to you is to not have such a busy lifestyle where you can’t occasionally spend a couple hours a day hunting for women. Don’t be so tired at the end of the day that you can’t do a handful of approaches or go on a long date. This is what’s necessary these days for men just to get laid every once in a while.

This sounds stupid.

"Don't work so hard that you can't fit in time to approach women". Lol what? Get yours, the women will come to you if you're truly getting it.

Build as much value as you can and relentlessly qualify people you allow to be part of your world.

This.

And it just so happens that this is how you take back leverage as well, imo.

 

[soulforge]

Ruin her Vagina.. Then leave them.. Don't expect no fukin Disney ending. In this day and age, it's not going to happen!

 

[Trump]

What exactly do you guys want from these womynz? Whatever it is, they are not capable of giving it to you.

Good question and good points in post.

Women are good for babies, companionship, and sex. But Disney, media, tv, movies, Hollywood, married friends, family, government, and society has brainwashed men into wanting more. Why? More $$$ for the Powers that Be.

More than half this site problems would be solved if men didn’t seek emotional security and validation from women. But it’s hard when government propoganda and society’s messages constantly support it.

The only way a man can be successful with women is to (1) use logic when dealing with women, and (2) keep his emotional distance from them.

(1) If you use logic, you can’t lose, with yourself and with the courts.
(2) If you keep your emotional distance, she has no ammunition to use against you. Other than ruling your emotions, what else goes she have? She going to beat you up?

Be strong men!

 

[spitfire]

Unplug go your own way drop the red pill rage after its final stages. Work on your physical image, finances, career, dreams. Maintain frame, set up boundaries, negative experiences are lessons, remain positive

I think it's important to define specific goals in specific areas of your life. Give yourself a timeline, and small chunk the goals. Make the goals realistic.

As far as women and dating, it's important to set up realistic goals, and to small chunk it. Identify what's in your control and proceed from there.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

So what are we doing to get our leverage back? How do we level the playing field?

Attention is chick crack. Its female currency. Never give it.

If a woman is hot and cold, esculate. Always keep texts, nudes, emails, etc archive sex vids. You can never be too safe. A fraudin blasty Ford can find you in 4 decades.

The answer to your question is TIME.

Allocate time wisely. Chain gun cold approach. Swipe right at life. Spin plates.

Don't put eggs in one basket. Its about the spread.

I don't know the exact date but, its about a decade of pickup +/- between life, death, school, career, biz, relations, etc. This is red pill on steroids. Its being forged in the fire. Say 2009-2019; who i was then and now is unrecognised since I have gone essentially super sayain.

I am daft. I am a putz. I am a strike out king but no hesitation i always shoot. On my death bed, hitting on more baeeeees won't be a afterthought. Yes, if i had to do over, I could try a thing or two but i have no regrets.

Leverage what you are great at. Allocate being world class at that skill set. Yes, get girls but condition self to think VOLUME > quality. The only go for quality rubbish is that mating call of the loser. Its low testosterone betas argument for not manning up.

Tyler's freedom from outcome + intent is money.

Julien get better not bitter is gold.

Priorities > women. I would have got into entrepreneurship sooner. Suggestion to young blood, start biz or side hustles, freelance, etc. Lead generation and acquisition of prospects is applicable to game. My background in sales has definitely helped me, my social skills, and ability to close.

Men are seeking a magic bullet, thing to say or do. I can promise you that it doesn't exist. I can say, if you let go, surrender to thr processes, put work in, and go through the fire, you wont be worried about leveraging or feminism.

There's a inversion going on. Feminists, girl power, women cratered SMV, etc is not without consequences. Atm men are at liberty to pull absurd amounts of women without commitment and women deem it as empowering. Its hilarious.


Lastly, decompress. Do TM, meditation, yoga, gym, pray, church, etc whatever you can to reset to baseline. Red pill rage is a by product of cognitive dissonance. The fabric of your world's view being obliterated. This is traumatic and a lot of men are struggling.

The rite of passage no longer exists. I lift. I train in the equivalent of the hyperbolic time chamber like dbz. I trip. I smoke dmt. I enjoy ayahuasca. I explore consciousness and self knowledge. The aim is self actualization. That's the purpose that my life's worthy of pursuit.

Leverage that which is worthy of going out on your shield.

What would make the hero's journey worth the price of admission?

Start here but with the end in mind.

Cheers mate.

 

[backseatjuan]

Ruin her Vagina.. Then leave them.. Don't expect no fukin Disney ending. In this day and age, it's not going to happen!

This. Also spin plates. Friend(sex) zone them. Use women for money here and there, even if she's buying half that's a good start. Tho this does not get the leverage back, but merely this is how you navigate the vagina matrix.

I'm assuming OP means it in general, how to gain leverage back from women, generally as male half. It's impossible. I witnessed the following picture last Friday when I read your thread and wanted to write you about it, but I was on the phone. Basically father at a bus station with two of his kids, which is already a plus, a girl age 4 and a boy age 5. The girl was very unreasonable, she hit the boy first with plastic bottle, then she hit the bus station making noises, then she yelled and screamed, and whenever boy fought back she would throw a tantrum. Then father told them both to sit and quiet down. Eventually girl threw another tantrum and told the father she wanted to sit where the boy sits. Father told the boy to stand up and let her sit there. Then there was this other episode, father stood up and told them both he is leaving them forever, to which girl had no reaction, while the boy stood up and hugged the father and cried, don't leave me father, no no no, I'm going with you.

This situation is a basic outline for all women/male interaction. Girls get that attention, first they seek it, and then they get it, no matter what.

Now back to adult life, examples of men providing women with attention are plentiful. I was riding this other bus a few days before the above encounter, I was coming home from a bar with this chick, and this other girl I guess age 19 no more walks out. As soon as her foot steps outside the bus, I hear "you're beautiful!" from a guy outside, and he walks behind her as if chasing her, perhaps he was going where she was going, perhaps he was chasing her.

Just picture how many times per day women get eyes on them.

You ever notice women tend to look down when walking, or away, or into their phone, or have some headphones on? They are hiding from all the attention they receive each day.

It's men who are doing it to them, pssyslaves, beta fgtts. They consider it to be menly providing women with attention.

 

[SoSuave666]

This. Also spin plates. Friend(sex) zone them. Use women for money here and there, even if she's buying half that's a good start. Tho this does not get the leverage back, but merely this is how you navigate the vagina matrix.

I'm assuming OP means it in general, how to gain leverage back from women, generally as male half. It's impossible. I witnessed the following picture last Friday when I read your thread and wanted to write you about it, but I was on the phone. Basically father at a bus station with two of his kids, which is already a plus, a girl age 4 and a boy age 5. The girl was very unreasonable, she hit the boy first with plastic bottle, then she hit the bus station making noises, then she yelled and screamed, and whenever boy fought back she would throw a tantrum. Then father told them both to sit and quiet down. Eventually girl threw another tantrum and told the father she wanted to sit where the boy sits. Father told the boy to stand up and let her sit there. Then there was this other episode, father stood up and told them both he is leaving them forever, to which girl had no reaction, while the boy stood up and hugged the father and cried, don't leave me father, no no no, I'm going with you.

This situation is a basic outline for all women/male interaction. Girls get that attention, first they seek it, and then they get it, no matter what.

Now back to adult life, examples of men providing women with attention are plentiful. I was riding this other bus a few days before the above encounter, I was coming home from a bar with this chick, and this other girl I guess age 19 no more walks out. As soon as her foot steps outside the bus, I hear "you're beautiful!" from a guy outside, and he walks behind her as if chasing her, perhaps he was going where she was going, perhaps he was chasing her.

Just picture how many times per day women get eyes on them.

You ever notice women tend to look down when walking, or away, or into their phone, or have some headphones on? They are hiding from all the attention they receive each day.

It's men who are doing it to them, pssyslaves, beta fgtts. They consider it to be menly providing women with attention.

Pvssy is to men what attention is to women. It’s as plain and simple as that. Men can give away their attention freely if they choose to. Women can give their pvssy away freely if they choose to.

Men are giving attention/validation away far too freely. That’s why it’s so easy for women to get ten orbiters, because those men believe it will eventually lead to pvssy. On the other end of the spectrum it’s much harder for men to spin plates just for sex without giving a woman validation and attention.

If men would act like men and put their focus and attention on things other than the fish slot things would get better much more rapidly.

 

[backseatjuan]

Men are giving attention/validation away far too freely.

PSSY PARROT // PIZDAPOPUGAY

Change it to men, let's even turn it to beta fgs, are imitating what they see around them.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

Pvssy is to men what attention is to women.

So, question to everyone: How much validation are you giving to women you are sleeping with? Have you found providing nearly zero validation at all produces the best results, or has too little validation caused them to move on?

 

[Dr.Suave]

So, question to everyone: How much validation are you giving to women you are sleeping with? Have you found providing nearly zero validation at all produces the best results, or has too little validation caused them to move on?

Just a quick "You look hot AF" when a I pick her up. That´s it.