What is your concept of confident persistence?

[Who Dares Win]

I see many users often talk about confident persistence but rarely agree on the meaning and the right degree on intensity.

How do you define it and what kind of example would show what you mean?

 

[Von]

It's going after what you want and not wasting your time.

It's about being smart when a girl tells you "no" and knowing "no" is just a test.

Women will put you up for a test, "No" is one of them.

So the degree? It's a case by case. Its understanding when it's a test and when it's pure désintérêt/real no.

Some guys got their partner after asking again and again over a period of time.

They werent desperate either..they had a life of their own or succès with other girls.

They just didnt stop until they got what they wanted "her" and they stayed respectful.

You cant map it out, cause it's based on the girl and your own stabiliy.

Ex: A Canadian billionnaire who was penniless at the time, got rejected over 6 times by his wife, she accepted at the 7th time when he put himself in front of her bus (that he owned) stopping the bus and she did say "yes" ..they were married 65 years

 

[EyeBRollin]

It’s hard to explain. Basically you’re confident you will get to you’re goal.. even if she rejects your initial advances

 

[Chi Town]

Confident persistence is when a girl doesn't seem to give you much to work with or show you much interest but because you know you're the **** and you know you are going to get her you don't mind pursuing a little bit because you know she wants you deep down......only the most confident of confident can pull this off, it works trust me I know......you gotta have that swagger for it to work

 

[Spaz]

You have to be careful with this so as not to fall into a woman's frame.

A woman saying no but giving out a yes vibe is part & parcel of courtship - this would be the ideal situation.

However if a woman does give out a "no" without a clear "yes" vibe then she's not really attracted to you thus even when she decides to date you just to keep her social calender occupied that doesn't equate to her being into you etc - this is where many men are led by their nose into slavery.

You need to learn how to pick up "yes" cues or vibes and that's another story.

 

[Glassguy]

You have to be careful with this so as not to fall into a woman's frame.

A woman saying no but giving out a yes vibe is part & parcel of courtship - this would be the ideal situation.

However if a woman does give out a "no" without a clear "yes" vibe then she's not really attracted to you thus even when she decides to date you just to keep her social calender occupied that doesn't equate to her being into you etc - this is where many men are led by their nose into slavery.

You need to learn how to pick up "yes" cues or vibes and that's another story.

Totally agree. You will not get good answers from posters on here when it comes to specific situations because we are not there with the woman to cue up her body language, etc.

As a standard rule of thumb: if I invite (I dont ASK) a woman out for a drink and she says "no", I'm out. Plain and simple. If she was trying to game me, she will be back asap. I'm not one to stick around to attempt deciphering her "no".

Half @ss responses to me inviting her: I'm out. "If you change your mind let me know". She will either get back to me or I'm dust on the wind.

Women have WEAK frames as emotional frames crack long before ones based on logic.

Even if you have been seeing someone for a few months- if you start getting mixed signals or being confused about her actions.....simply STOP initiating contact for a few days. She will either come back running and asking what is wrong or you wont here from her again.

Silence and distance is very effective and I'm a firm believer that it should be used in ALL stages of a relationship as long as you dont do it in attempt to look butthurt. Do it in a very indifferent manner.

Its the best way to gauge a womans interest level without doing anything that would make you appear to be beta and weak.

 

[17 shots]

It's realizing that being ignored is part of the game, and women like men who can handle it. I don't give up after unanswered phone calls, or texts... if a woman gives me her number, I'm going to use it until she tells me to leave her alone

Now this isn't to say keep pursuing a woman who NEVER answers, but a lot of guys give up way too soon, because they're are too outcome dependent. I've had women go from only sometimes answering my calls or texts, to them wanting to talk to me everyday. I never take being ignored personal, and I take a woman playing hard to get as a compliment

 

[The_411]

There are the obvious examples when a woman is telling you but giving you a wild grin or pushing/play fighting.

The less obvious situations require understanding of nuance. (Aka reading the tea leaves so to speak).

The key consideration is that your effort level needs to drop to near non-existant effort when she said no.

You also need to subtlety convey that you aren’t waiting around for her to say yes.

You also need to get comfortable with her saying no as if her response doesn’t affect you. Teasing her about saying is one way of showing this.

Think about when you are talking to your buddies about doing something and they say no but you know you can talk them into it, but you also know when they really mean no. There are certain behaviors that tip you off to each situation. Same applies for women.

 

[BeExcellent]

The less obvious situations require understanding of nuance. (Aka reading the tea leaves so to speak).

The key consideration is that your effort level needs to drop to near non-existant effort when she said no.

You also need to subtlety convey that you aren’t waiting around for her to say yes.

Advice from the old lady:

Nuance. Skill at interpersonal relationships requires nuance. You have to get good at reading people and at deciphering the sub-context of the communication. As you get to know someone in particular you'll learn how to read that specific person and learn through their behavioral patterns and communication style what the non-verbal and covert context/subcontext is. That is why you can read your buddies who you know well, or family members.

You want low investment behaviors that do the job for you. How long does it take to send a "What's going on?" text or even how much time does it take to make a telephone call and leave a voicemail (I'm old & therefore old school, lol.) How much investment is in sending a quick What's App or FB Messenger message? All the above are very low investment behaviors. You can do them a number of times and see if anybody responds (e.g. this is the bait, as noted elsewhere in this thread.) From there you make more investment based on her response. That's all.

 

[Trump]

However if a woman does give out a "no" without a clear "yes" vibe then she's not really attracted to you thus even when she decides to date you just to keep her social calender occupied that doesn't equate to her being into you etc - this is where many men are led by their nose into slavery.

This is happening to me right now.

So I backed off and will treat her a buddy until she proves she is not. Unless the players have another option..

 

[SoSuave666]

This is happening to me right now.

So I backed off and will treat her a buddy until she proves she is not. Unless the players have another option..

When you go out and get back to your or her crib, do you push for sex? this is the best and easiest way to gauge a woman's interest level. I can usually tell before I even push for sex whether or not the girl is feeling me, but a lot of men can't. So I recommend you simply push push push.

If the answer is consistently "no," then back off and do not initiate.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Ex: A Canadian billionnaire who was penniless at the time, got rejected over 6 times by his wife, she accepted at the 7th time when he put himself in front of her bus (that he owned) stopping the bus and she did say "yes" ..they were married 65 years

And the Buffalo Bills overcame a 35-3 deficit in a 1993 NFL playoff game and came back to win 41-38. It has never happened since, but DID once.

The point I'm making is anything is possible but the bottom line is to NOT waste your time on low or no interest women and minimize your ROI (I=your time, and some $). Your ROI, though probably not 0%, will be EXTREMELY low and you will waste your valuable time (and $).

Always pursue women of higher interest and increase your success rate tremendously.

Pursuing is confidently asking a women out once, maybe twice depending the situation. Making the plan, being fun, NOT looking for her approval, not being needy, YOU ending the date, and then repeating the cycle as long as things are "advancing". Flakiness, excuses, and certainly "no's" get her excluded and then it's next batter up. You employ abundance mentality and IDGAF at all times.

Chasing comes from a place of scarcity. Basically all the opposites of Pursuing. Remember this: a women will NEVER (x1000) EVER fall in love with man who does not come from a place of abundance. She may toy with him, recruit him as an orbiter, throw him crumbs, call him when she's bored, and sometimes even cave and agree to a LTR or marriage out of her desperation (likely story with the billionaire) but she will NEVER feel strong sexual attraction for him.

~Dash