Why incels are a 'real and present threat'...

[Spaz]

It’s easy to place blame when things come easy to one man and not another.

I had this conversation with @Grewd on another thread and it's gotten to a stage where I keep on repeating myself.

Different words are used but the intent always remains the same.

@Grewd do you mind explaining ?

Time for others to chip in and help out a bit.

 

[Ranger]

I had this conversation with @Grewd on another thread and it's gotten to a stage where I keep on repeating myself.

Different words are used but the intent always remains the same.

@Grewd do you mind explaining ?

Time for others to chip in and help out a bit.

First off men were and are being trained to have a victim mind set. They are trained to think they are unable to correct or rectify their condition.

If it happens to you, it’s your fault. So what does that mean? That means that you took on the victim mindset at some point in the past and are running like a program in the background and have automated responses and emotions that display.
The feminine imperative.

There is NO political action that will change this. There is no legislative action that will change this.
EVER!!!!!
If you legislatively changed everything the mindset would still remain and men would still act as if its still in place. It will never give you the ability to keep a woman. It will never fix anything in your life. Unless you think we should enslave women as sex slaves.

A man’s beliefs belong to him. He owns his predicament from start to finish. At some point a man will have to stop blaming sources outside of himself in order to grow.

There are no real outside sources of a man’s suppression. He had to be convinced to enslave himself.
When a man blames a woman or society or laws or western civilization for his condition, he has surrendered. Man card revoked. Be a b!tch and suffer like a good slave.

I had to reframe a situation this weekend. A huge one. I found myself blaming a psycho for some company damage done. I stopped, reframed, and assumed that I was at cause for not discharging him sooner. Again...nice guy cured. Nice guys fukked our world up and they deserve nothing.

 

[Who Dares Win]

how much time you think they will take to say MGTOW and incels are the same?, essence is they will do they things and never take woman in consideration, that is undermining the golden *****, we can't have that

Mgotw is the natural outcomes when a man realize its not worth wheter its cause he risks a divorce or cause the realize he cant get any woman younger than 35 which is not a left over and he will never get from her what others did.

After they got their advanced degrees, which is easy when you aren't distracted by women lol.

So basically they worked as mules and their reward was after a sexless youth to get ugly old women pumped and dumped from other men when they were younger and now flocking at them and expected to be sheltered and fed?

This probably kills a man dignity even more than being an incel hitting on escorts.

Nothing wrong with an ugly guy settling with an ugly gilr as long as its on a fair terms he agrees, the problem is a sexless life only to get an old used and abused ugly girl who expect to get the lady treatment while she would have not even looked at him few yrs earlier.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

That's a bit negative. Most of the problems we face are from dating attractive women corrupted by vanity and addiction to validation. It's much easier for these guys to find a contented woman. I have met entitled unattractive women as well

A majority are entitled. They have bigdave17 standards and settle for no man vs one who will care about them.

 

[Who Dares Win]

That's a bit negative. Most of the problems we face are from dating attractive women corrupted by vanity and addiction to validation. It's much easier for these guys to find a contented woman. I have met entitled unattractive women as well

Those guys are playing with crappy cards, no matter how they play it they will lose anytime they sit near that table.

Personally I see very few reasons to enter in a relationship past 35 for a man, no need at all to think about it with an ugly woman.

Those guys who have been incels for most of their lifes even more should just drop it after a certain point, there are virtually no pros and plenty of cons for their case.

Its like a guy who moves by bus for 60 yrs then at 65 gets a driver licence for age reasons and the only options he has are used broken cars with a life time leasing contract....he should keep going with the bus.

 

[AJ84]

If there was a group of ugly, hairy, green haired feminazies with sh*t attitudes towards men, going around shooting up people because attractive guys won’t f**k them do you think it’s society’s responsibility to find them hot guys to f**k?

Are ugly, hairy, green haired feminazies with sh*t attitudes towards men deserving of men?

People create the reality that they live in. If they want a different reality the change starts with them. The world isn’t going to bend over backwards to accommodate their sense of entitlement.

That’s life.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If there was a group of ugly, hairy, green haired feminazies with sh*t attitudes towards men, going around shooting up people because attractive guys won’t f**k them do you think it’s society’s responsibility to find them hot guys to f**k?

Are ugly, hairy, green haired feminazies with sh*t attitudes towards men deserving of men?

People create the reality that they live in. If they want a different reality the change starts with them. The world isn’t going to bend over backwards to accommodate their sense of entitlement.

That’s life.

The choices. Some of the variables are outside of their control. Such as the politics. They may have to reposition themselves to recieve their blessings. Some changes require several years to recieve benefits.

 

[Ranger]

The world doesn’t owe a man a damn thing.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The world doesn’t owe a man a damn thing.

But it owes a woman?

 

[Ranger]

But it owes a woman?

Who cares. I’m not a woman. I was not designed for a fukking handout gift of protection and resources. I’m a hunter. I will kill my own food. Make my own money.
I’m never jealous of a woman and what society gives her. It just makes her even weaker.
Another reason she’s not my equal.
I don’t give a fuk about women beyond wheather I have a connection with them or not. Let her go buy her own pasta and get fat on it. If she wants to take on the world...never, ever hook up with a victim or whimpering man. It’s a slow death for a woman. She needs to reject them instantly.

 

[AJ84]

The choices. Some of the variables are outside of their control. Such as the politics. They have to position themselves to recieve their blessings.

Yes and adapt to most benefit from the current status quo.
Some guys go on about how much easier it was back in the day (60yrs - 500AD ago when they weren’t even alive) and how if women were like they were 60yr-500AD ago it would be so much better. How is any of that helping him get laid in the CURRENT time he lives in?

Women too, some complain that men aren’t courting them like some Knight of King Arthur’s back in the day. Well back in the day women dated to get married, not hump some random dude in the bathroom of an after hours club then laugh about it over hangover brunch with their girlfriends.

The person we see in the mirror is the number cause of most of our disappointments.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes and adapt to most benefit from the current status quo.
Some guys go on about how much easier it was back in the day (60yrs - 500AD ago when they weren’t even alive) and how if women were like they were 60yr-500AD ago it would be so much better. How is any of that helping him get laid in the CURRENT time he lives in?

Women too, some complain that men aren’t courting them like some Knight of King Arthur’s back in the day. Well back in the day women dated to get married, not hump some random dude in the bathroom of an after hours club then laugh about it over hangover brunch with their girlfriends.

The person we see in the mirror is the number cause of most of our disappointments.

After humping all those randos and "not caring" for 10-20 yrs worth of life why should they be courted? Why should they be held to high esteem?

 

[Ranger]

Yes and adapt to most benefit from the current status quo.
Some guys go on about how much easier it was back in the day (60yrs - 500AD ago when they weren’t even alive) and how if women were like they were 60yr-500AD ago it would be so much better. How is any of that helping him get laid in the CURRENT time he lives in?

Women too, some complain that men aren’t courting them like some Knight of King Arthur’s back in the day. Well back in the day women dated to get married, not hump some random dude in the bathroom of an after hours club then laugh about it over hangover brunch with their girlfriends.

The person we see in the mirror is the number cause of most of our disappointments.

Yep. Boo boo the world is so tough. Well it’s tougher on whiners and victims. Here maybe this will help them out.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yep. Boo boo the world is so tough. Well it’s tougher on whiners and victims. Here maybe this will help them out.

Cant complain

 

[Ranger]

Should this really be the goal for grown adults?

Yes. It’s as important as food and water. Celibacy lowers drive for life. Lowers survival attitudes and inspirations.
Shortens life span. Reduces the quality of life.

Obsessive narcissistic sexual pursuits is beta. A rather sad one.
Quality sex with an assortment of women throughout one’s life is biologically correct and healthy for a man.

 

[Ranger]

Oh I fully agree, but the way she worded it sounds like the obsessive narcissistic sexual pursuits lol

She was just reflecting back to men what she reads about here. Accurate.
There is soooo much on getting a$$ that there’s so little room for the evolution of a man. The most important part. A man’s value is measured by himself. Not by women.
His vision of himself without any personal goals and accomplishments make him radiate and drip sexual worthlessness. A homogenous non sexual male. No personal accomplishments (as viewed by him).
He is not worthy of a great and highly sexualized, high energy, snot nosed princess who comes to him for cute spankings and guidance in her life.

He deserves Ms. Heifer T. Walrus or Agnes the cat lady.

 

[corrector]

A majority are entitled. They have bigdave17 standards and settle for no man vs one who will care about them.

Why do people regard bigdave17 as an incel? He's not a true incel. He's been with 14 women or so he argued before. How can someone who has been with that many woman and have other women open up to him that he is not attracted to be called an "incel" on here?

 

[corrector]

Personally I see very few reasons to enter in a relationship past 35 for a man, no need at all to think about it with an ugly woman.

I entered a short-term one when I was 36 y/o and have memories about it still up to today. Even if you have a few months relationship at any point of time it would be worth it than a life-time being single and NOTHING to contrast that with. At least for a change man.

Those guys who have been incels for most of their lifes even more should just drop it after a certain point, there are virtually no pros and plenty of cons for their case.

You can't really drop being an incel. How do you drop that? You even said there is a difference between MGTOW and a true incel (not Bigdave17), and one is still willing to spend money on women for experience whether or not it works out in the end because the experience itself is the end-goal. Even a bad experience is a good one if you have nothing at all so you can shelve it and move on. So there is always a pro with an experience vacuum.

Its like a guy who moves by bus for 60 yrs then at 65 gets a driver licence for age reasons and the only options he has are used broken cars with a life time leasing contract....he should keep going with the bus.

A used broken car is great because it's more experience using a car and you feel less bad it is stolen or you crash it into something. People don't get the experience-void with the opposite sex that characterizes the heart of what incel is all about. I call it "Green" -- like being green with women.

 

[Ranger]

Its an obvious lie, that's why. Someone who has been with 14 women would not have such an unrealistic view of their own value and a pedestal view of women.

I completely disagree. He’s been wanting higher quality women. That’s all I need to know.
14 women isn’t that many at all.

 

[Ranger]

We all want higher quality women, his issues run far deeper.

No debate there. He’s chocked full of false data about women and it’s impossible to put good data over bad data.
Dave’s drinition of quality women is tits and a$$.