Red pill/Blue pill

[Chi Town]

Let's get honest here for a second.

Majority of you guys are not red pill, you have been exposed to it but deep inside you are blue pill.

You see it on all the pua sites and mgtow YouTube videos ECT a bunch of guys complaining about women and how "scandalous" they are and how true love doesn't ECT.

If you're angry or bitter about women's nature then you're not red pill.
The real red pill guys are not angry about women's nature, it is what it is.

They don't go mgtow and they don't complain.

The reason why the wannabe red pill guys are so bitter is because they have the Disney movie view of love and relationships which automatically disqualifies you from being red pill. If you were truly red pill you wouldn't even have that view to begin with, or you should of learned it at a very early age.

If you're mgtow then you are not red pill, you are a blue pill guy that's upset and bitter towards women and you wanna get back at them lol. Most of them mgtow guys are blue pilled at heart and deep down inside they know it, they wish things were different, they wish it was like the love stories and movies but true red pilled men don't think like that, they are okay with the way things are.

You see, there not looking for true love, there looking to have fun with women and if it leads to more then that's cool too.
There not looking for "the right one" if they meet some girl that they REALLY like then they go from there but they are not out here looking for a soul mate lol.

Becoming red pilled doesn't mean becoming angry at women, going mgtow, scared to show feelings ECT that's exactly what blue pill is, true red pill? It's knowing and understanding the true nature of women and excepting it with absolutely know bitterness in you're heart, without taking it personally, without a ounce of anger towards women or the game.

True Red pill is deeper than just knowing women's nature, you have to know it, except it and be perfectly ok with it, until then you are blue pill.

 

[Chi Town]

I would love to know why you're here.

If I was born with no desire for LTR and the desire to fvck 1000 women I would never, ever have bothered with this site.

Think about it like this, when I meet women, my objective is to fvck her, that's it, that's all. If it leads to more then cool but that's not what I'm looking for.

Look at the mgtow movement, if there going there own way because they don't trust women or LTR then imagine if they was never looking for that in the first place and there only objective was sex? now that they learned red pill sh!t they wanna do away with LTR and just focus on sex right? Well you got guys who already was on that type of sh!t but not because they wanna go there own way but because thats how a man should be naturally.

You see pua teach that all the time right?
Don't look for relationships just have fun with women ECT I'm not saying anything different.

 

[redskinsfan92]

Some men that call themselves MGTOW do have sex and short term flings though.

 

[Chi Town]

Some men that call themselves MGTOW do have sex and short term flings though.

Right, that's the right idea, unfortunately most of the men are mgtow becuase they are bitter and gave up hope with love and women as they say which is the wrong mental space to be in.....

 

[Spaz]

I'll be honest. I've no idea what is a red pill or even blue pill mindset that many have here.

Seems jumbled up from person to person.

I even wrote a thread about this shiet.

To me any man who wins consistently is a winner (red pill?) and those who loses consistently are loser's who refuses to change (blue pillars ?).

At least that's my interpretation of it.

I don't give a fvck about the details.

It's the results that matter.

And it all boils down to how a man thinks that influences how he does things.

The mindset of a loser will influence how he does things and that in the end gives him exactly what he actually has in his mind.

 

[chuck001]

Let's get honest here for a second.

Majority of you guys are not red pill, you have been exposed to it but deep inside you are blue pill.

You see it on all the pua sites and mgtow YouTube videos ECT a bunch of guys complaining about women and how "scandalous" they are and how true love doesn't ECT.

If you're angry or bitter about women's nature then you're not red pill.
The real red pill guys are not angry about women's nature, it is what it is.

They don't go mgtow and they don't complain.

The reason why the wannabe red pill guys are so bitter is because they have the Disney movie view of love and relationships which automatically disqualifies you from being red pill. If you were truly red pill you wouldn't even have that view to begin with, or you should of learned it at a very early age.

If you're mgtow then you are not red pill, you are a blue pill guy that's upset and bitter towards women and you wanna get back at them lol. Most of them mgtow guys are blue pilled at heart and deep down inside they know it, they wish things were different, they wish it was like the love stories and movies but true red pilled men don't think like that, they are okay with the way things are.

You see, there not looking for true love, there looking to have fun with women and if it leads to more then that's cool too.
There not looking for "the right one" if they meet some girl that they REALLY like then they go from there but they are not out here looking for a soul mate lol.

Becoming red pilled doesn't mean becoming angry at women, going mgtow, scared to show feelings ECT that's exactly what blue pill is, true red pill? It's knowing and understanding the true nature of women and excepting it with absolutely know bitterness in you're heart, without taking it personally, without a ounce of anger towards women or the game.

True Red pill is deeper than just knowing women's nature, you have to know it, except it and be perfectly ok with it, until then you are blue pill.

Some guys get angry because they realize everything they knew about women was a lie and some realize that they don't have a high enough smv to get the type of woman they want. Women are all the same, their love is opportunistic. A lot of guys can't handle that.

 

[flowtheory]

My definition of blue pill is: being niave to how women operate and allowing them to devalue the man while still pulling the wool over his eyes. The man not even knowing about sh!t tests or asserting himself. Breaks himself in half to make a woman happy. Lives by ‘happy wife, happy life’

Red pill: asserts himself in life and knows his value. Goes for what he wants. Knows how women operate and what they truly desire, but still chooses to build love because that’s what is in his vision. Won’t sacrifice his sovereignty for a woman

 

[Ranger]

I would love to know why you're here.

If I was born with no desire for LTR and the desire to fvck 1000 women I would never, ever have bothered with this site.

I understand your viewpoint. But it’s only a narrow viewpoint.
I came here because there is social programming and the world felt wrong.

I adore women. They’re great. But I did not really think that until the threads and remnants were exorcised. It’s like looking through a spider web.

From YOUR viewpoint I can see why you posted what you did. But it’s highly contextual. A man who is more emotionally expressive, which is good too, would think that.

Thinking other people are like you is a huge mistake.

 

[Ranger]

The mindset of a loser will influence how he does things and that in the end gives him exactly what he actually has in his mind.

Exactly. His entire life is a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

[Mike32ct]

I totally get what the OP is saying. He’s advocating for a sort of “red pill natural.”

My story is a little different. I started out as the hard core blue pill nerd.

Then I worked out, bought new clothes and grew out and spiked up my hair. Lived about two or three years as a low level Chad-lite. (Very high 7. Low 8 on a good day.). It was amazing.

Then I grew a big bald spot on top and suddenly my “game” didn’t work that much anymore lol.

So I turned black pill because I’ve seen BOTH sides of the looks fence. I never seriously entertained red pill.

I’m still in the game (ie I haven’t given up or gone full MGTOW), but I’m enormously patient and accept slim odds and random dry spells as par for the course at this time. It is what it is.

 

[Ranger]

I totally get what the OP is saying. He’s advocating for a sort of “red pill natural.”

Your natural state is a natural red pill. Once you have uncovered and disposed of those last thoughts that hold a man to the imperative.

 

[Ranger]

Oh sure, I mean that has been dogma on this site for almost 20 years now. I'm just wondering why YOU are here since you naturally knew all of this.

Why are you STILL here?

 

[Chi Town]

Oh sure, I mean that has been dogma on this site for almost 20 years now. I'm just wondering why YOU are here since you naturally knew all of this.

I'm here to help LA, I'm here to help......

 

[Chi Town]

I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are conflating two different things here.

Yes, Men should accept the nature of women and become the masculine men that the world needs and that women naturally desire

Men should NOT tolerate a gynocracy, and should do their best to educate their brothers and help eliminate such a toxic form of oppression.

These are two very different things.

Good points......

 

[Ranger]

I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are conflating two different things here.

Yes, Men should accept the nature of women and become the masculine men that the world needs and that women naturally desire

Men should NOT tolerate a gynocracy, and should do their best to educate their brothers and help eliminate such a toxic form of oppression.

These are two very different things.

The feminine imperative is toxic and IS a form of oppression. There are two different mindsets as far as the reversal or change of this oppression that I have observed on here.

The first is the lamenting and growling over how things use to be. And the idea that we can return to that “golden” age. That somehow, some way, women will return to femininity and teamwork as it is described from the past. That laws will somehow revert to true equality.
Short of a catastrophic event that hits a reset button and returns us to bare bones survival, this will never be seen again. It’s gone. This is a huge hang-up for most men here as that picture of life is reflected in their idealistic love.

So that leaves a solution such as MGTOW. “Women, you either change or we are not going to play anymore because you don’t fit our ideals.”

There is another way, in my assessment the only way that is actually workable. Men must return to dominance. Now all men will never be equal, this is a truth. But all men or most men being dominant in respects to women will invert the present paradigm. Polarity reversal.

We have been charging up one side of the polarity, let’s say the negative (-) for clarity. This is a zero sum game. Let’s say there are 100 chips on the card table. There will never be more or less than 100.
Right now the negative (Feminine) has 80 chips and the men (+) have 20 chips.
Men would have to take back at least 50 chips for this to work. There is no 50/50. That’s a scam used by the feminine imperative to make a grab for the 80% they now own. It’s a lie.

So men would need to become more masculine to reverse the polarity. The imperative produces more feminine men faster than we can get hold of them. So this zero sum game is stacked against us.

Undoing feminine imprinting done at an early age is a very daunting feat. Almost impossible. How men think is much more important than what they are doing. What he is doing IS a result of what he thinks. Not the other way around.

 

[Chi Town]

The Good Samaritan haha

Lol.....

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Red pill/Blue pill is semantics. What matters are your results as @Spaz rather succinctly pointed out. Go about your life. If as you are going about your life doing your thing and along the way you meet a woman who you find interesting, then it's game on, but you keep doing your thing as a man and you don't get all bogged down and jumbled up in the interaction. Instead you take the lead (as a man should), read her response to you, and let it flow. If something develops then that should happen in an organic manner and shouldn't require a bunch of tactics and strategem.

Tactics and strategem is great for breaking the ice, cold approach, night game, and so on ad nauseum, but that only gets you so far (this is assuming actively meeting women is a part of you 'doing your thing'). Inner game and outcome independence while simultaneously allowing something to develop (if that is your desire with a woman) is a process that should simply unfold itself as you go along. You get to a hard stop or a dealbreaker? OK. You break it off or relegate to FWB status or something else. You as a man keep doing your thing.

Will women behave according to red or blue pill scripts, the feminine imperative or whatever other box you want to put behavior into? Sure. But it's all to varying degrees and it all depends on the individual woman you are dealing with.

That gets forgotten around here. Relationships and interactions occur on a micro level between two individual people with two sets of beliefs about life and how the world works. There is infinite variability in peoples' belief systems. In great relationships the two people IN the relationship mesh well, communicate well, and treat one another with respect and consideration no matter what the context is. The context might be sex, the context might be conflict, the context might be collaboration. The two people in the relationship define the roles and those roles develop, morph, and adjust over time. But the relationship/interaction is only happening between these two individuals, so it is for those individuals to negotiate in relation to one another...no matter what might be going on beyond the confines of their interaction.

I've seen "blue pill" couples who are happy as can be and "blue pill" couples that are miserable. I've seen the same thing with "red pill" couples. Some are happy, some aren't. I will say that the philosophical bent of the "red pill" mindset is more honoring of the self in relation to the other, and so unhappy couplings in my observation, are more frequently shortlived than in unhappy "blue pill" couplings. But again, that is for the two people IN those relationships to determine.

 

[Ranger]

I hear what you are saying, and I agree.

But you are only viewing through one lens.

Yes, we all agree men should be more masculine. Men should beimproving themselves.

But Men should also be working together to fix the systemic oppression which creates weak men to begin with.

We do this by showing where and how the system is broken.

We do this by pointing out hypocrisy.

We do this by teaching men again what is right and what is wrong.

This does not mean these men hate women. Such assertions are channeling the gynocracy. These men just want to share what they are seeing and help to educate others that may still be unwittingly defending the feminine imperative.

We have men on here who think setting terms for a marriage request is "controlling".

We have men on here who think the latest Gilette ad is benign.

These are massive problems which help create generations of bluepill men and they must be confronted and addressed.

No. That’s not how you do it.
So how do you get a man to change how he thinks when he is centered up on the power grab of women?
His mind is thinking...”All the laws are in her favor.”, “There’s dangerous BPD’s running around trying to castrate us.”, “Things were so much better for all of us 50 years ago.”, Etc. Etc. Etc.

This is still all about women. Do you get all this sidetracked when you are working in your life? Every one of those things grant power to a feminine creature that is totally dependent upon men for survival. In the face of masculinity, they are POWERLESS.

You go forward by ignoring them and doing what a man has to do.
The surest way to get even with an antagonist group, feminism, is to flourish and prosper in spite of their lamenting. In the world of men, they do not count. They don’t have a vote. They are required to stand off to the side and wring their hands and hope.

Warning men about the dangers instead of just giving them a basic understanding of the situation and pointing out what needs to be done is like pushing his head into the mud to show him what it is. He’s not fukking stupid. Just unaware.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Why are you STILL here?

Hes here to complain like the rest. So have things gotten progressively worse and whats the forecast?

 

[Ranger]

Hes here to complain like tge rest. So have things gotten progressively worse and whats the forecast?

Just a question. He asked another man why he was here. It’s a good question.