Blue pill conditioning strikes again

[Bullbearpig]

This isn't necessarily a post looking for advice, but more of just way to get my thoughts out. Although if anyone wants to offer advice I'll accept it.

So I met a women through cold approach at the grocery store the other day. She's 38, I'm 43. She has been divorced for 11 years, doesn't date much and doesn't have any kids.
She looks way younger than she is and she's very hot for her age, to me she is an 8. Not having kids clearly has preserved her body.

So anyway, we text moderately for a few days and I do a pretty good job of text gaming her and I get her out on a date. She seems pretty into me and we have a lot of common interests and shared opinions about things. (She seems very red pilled for a chick)She's much more into church and Christianity than I am though... I pretty much aint. No big deal, I'm very knowledgeable on the bible and christianity, but it's a subject I try to avoid as much as possible because it's a panty dryer. She makes it clear several times that she's very "traditional" and is picky about the men she dates. I also got the impression that she has lots of males that are just friends. She makes it clear she likes strong men. There wasnt alot of opportunity for Kino throughout the date though.
Long story short, I maintained frame pretty well I think through out the date but lost it at the end because I didn't go for the kiss, even though I think she was open to it.
She did agree to come to my place for dinner for the next date, and said she'd bring what i wanted, so that's good but I have this nagging feeling I've already friendzoned myself By not going for the kiss.
It was a pvssy ass move, I know. I wish I could strangle the life out this blue pilled beta chump inside me once and for all, but I know it's gonna take time. Im also realizing maintaining frame takes constant vigilance so I need to work harder on that. Also, I dont meet alot of women my age that are hot AND childless AND really cool too, so I know in my heart if i did get her id probably have a tendency to want to pedestalize her, so i need to make sure i dont do that.

So now my plan is to get her to my house and ESCALATE!
If she's down for more than friends, cool. If not I will walk away. I WILL NOT be another guy friend.

 

[longtail]

The chances for sex after 3 or 4 dates drops to near zero. So much so it's best to drop her and start over again if that happens. Give yourself a couple more shots: two more dates, see what happens. Better at your place or hers.

You have a solid plan in place. I wish more guys were as self aware as you were. There would be a lot less frustration.

 

[R.U.G.]

Still very salvageable. You should look up Alpha Male Strategies on Youtube and check out his videos. You need to touch and caress her when she comes to your place. Start with a hug, hold for a bit and then welcome her in. Pour her a glass of wine, sit on your couch close and chat for a bit. Caress her arms, if she's inviting, caress her thighs, and move in closer. If she meets you part way, go in for the kiss. Make out for a bit and then pull back and say hungry (with a smile)? then make dinner.

After dinner, go back to the couch, if you have a fireplace, set it up, put on a movie of your choosing and then sit close, start kino again and make out. Religious woman are the most scandalist if you enter in the correct code. Rest assured, she's had sex over the last 11 years. You'll be fine. Don't be nervous. Don't over think. Just do what comes natural between men and women.

 

[Bullbearpig]

The chances for sex after 3 or 4 dates drops to near zero. So much so it's best to drop her and start over again if that happens. Give yourself a couple more shots: two more dates, see what happens. Better at your place or hers.

You have a solid plan in place. I wish more guys were as self aware as you were. There would be a lot less frustration.

Thanks man...i appreciate that.

 

[Bullbearpig]

Still very salvageable. You should look up Alpha Male Strategies on Youtube and check out his videos. You need to touch and caress her when she comes to your place. Start with a hug, hold for a bit and then welcome her in. Pour her a glass of wine, sit on your couch close and chat for a bit. Caress her arms, if she's inviting, caress her thighs, and move in closer. If she meets you part way, go in for the kiss. Make out for a bit and then pull back and say hungry (with a smile)? then make dinner.

After dinner, go back to the couch, if you have a fireplace, set it up, put on a movie of your choosing and then sit close, start kino again and make out. Religious woman are the most scandalist if you enter in the correct code. Rest assured, she's had sex over the last 11 years. You'll be fine. Don't be nervous. Don't over think. Just do what comes natural between men and women.

Perfect man. This is exactly what my plan is and the frame I'm gonna work at. Thank you.

 

[longtail]

Yeah, you do "pedestalize" her lol. Haven't heard that term used in a while, pretty "old school pua" actually.

You are already "falling in love" with her and seeing her in an extremely idealistic way. Unfortunate, since you don't know her very well at all. Two dates has it been? There's going to be a lot of baggage you are going to uncover in the next few months if you get involved. Lots of quirks, game playing and just general bizarre, immature behavior on her part.

Of course she could turn out to be that perfect, sweet little innocent angel you are portraying her as, but I doubt it. Keep in mind, you know almost nothing about her, she is putting on her best innocent girl face, so brace yourself.

 

[Bullbearpig]

Yeah, you do "pedestalize" her lol. Haven't heard that term used in a while, pretty "old school pua" actually.

You are already "falling in love" with her and seeing her in an extremely idealistic way. Unfortunate, since you don't know her very well at all. Two dates has it been? There's going to be a lot of baggage you are going to uncover in the next few months if you get involved. Lots of quirks, game playing and just general bizarre, immature behavior on her part.

Of course she could turn out to be that perfect, sweet little innocent angel you are portraying her as, but I doubt it. Keep in mind, you know almost nothing about her, she is putting on her best innocent girl face, so brace yourself.

You are 100% correct in all of this. Fvck I have a lot of work to do on myself. Ok, I'm going to make the decision right now that I will only think of her as just another lubricated hole for my sexual pleasure. If she doesn't play into that I'm gone.