Women Have ZERO Loyalty

[sazc]

Yeah there does seem to be a noticeable uptick in that direction.

I’m not a psychologist but I do wonder: if seeing women as lesser than, more evil, more selfish and more ruthless, it just makes it easier to treat them like crap?

One of my girlfriends has become bitter. She thinks men are untrustworthy (based on a few bad experiences with d**kheads that she choose to stay with despite obvious red flags).
She now uses men for money, connections etc and uses the excuse that they are pigs anyway so....
It’s sad to see what she has become and how her personality is now a deterrent to attracting any decent guy. She wanted me to set her up with a male co-worker of mine. Hell no lol.

I'm sure your friend puts herself out there more than other (possibly more worthy) women. She is what the majority of men/men on this site, run into.
This becomes the self defeating loop that occurs between men and women. The b1tching we hear about on here

 

[sazc]

Been living under a rock?

I'm feeling like he's being sarcastic

 

[Chi Town]

Lol, he was being sarcastic. You've obviously never seen Casablanca.

Naw, Never seen it

 

[Chi Town]

Even if the OP's story is true, it just shows that you can't trust club girls. I, for one, am shocked.

I'm late on the sarcasm zeek lol

 

[guru1000]

As often as I read, I’m starting to see the connection between sexual energy and creative/intellectual energy.

This is not to say that one cannot happen without the other but one certainly has great influence on the other.

Hence, those who are sexually compromised are not operating at their full cognitive capacity. See BigDave as the working example: Intelligent guy but could not wrap his head around simple concepts due to his sexual lacking. Likewise, my best thinking arises in abundance, not scarcity.

 

[sazc]

I see bitterness and anger at others as truly a reaction to one's self and one's feelings, and how they aren't sure how to cope with their reactions.

I.e., "I saw a married woman grinding/flirting, and it made me angry, because I wouldn't want that to be my wife." But the anger is directed and deflected from the self. "She sucks; I'm the normal one. And the man is a beta cuck."

This stems from an uncertainty (lack of frame, potentially) with how the person might cope if he were the husband. There's no reason to get upset with a complete stranger having a good time. It's much easier to get mad at womankind than to take personal stock when you see a scene like that play out. In my opinion it means the man is not yet centered as he should be. We all have room to improve, there's no shame in it.

Good points

 

[zekko]

I never hated what I was bad at. Instead, I focus on my weaknesses and forge them in fire repeatedly until they become strengths. To do this, one must own their weakness..

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of the "delusional self confidence" concept. While there is something such as fake it till you make it, believing yourself to be great at something when you really svck robs you of the opportunity to recognize a weakness.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of the "delusional self confidence" concept. While there is something such as fake it till you make it, believing yourself to be great at something when you really svck robs you of the opportunity to recognize a weakness.

Dont "fake" it till you make it. If something is important figure out a path for development and growth. It takes time. Fooling yourself isnt helping anyone.

 

[guru1000]

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of the "delusional self confidence" concept. While there is something such as fake it till you make it, believing yourself to be great at something when you really svck robs you of the opportunity to recognize a weakness.

They are not mutually exclusive concepts. One can be delusionally self confident overall and have strong frame (regarding the weakness) while at the same time being aware of, owning, and striving to redress the weakness.

 

[guru1000]

This is where I think many people may be going wrong. They become one or the other, rather than maintain the flexibility and calibration to be both, depending on one's own ability to properly access what the person before you is capable of delivering on and what they are not, then extracting only the particular benefits that are realistic.

Many times a person of one type or the other end up getting into trouble because they force an overall ideology without prejudice, which usually either leads a person to never trust or trust too much, deceive people or be deceived, etc.

People often end up steamrolling right over exceptions to the rule when operating like this.

Yup, deals with overall social IQ or EQ, that is, understanding and distinguishing the differences in social behavior, and not forced to accept the all-or-none side, but rather Incorporate the nuances that work for you while rejecting nuances that don’t. What’s incorporated (and rejected) can be distinct parts of the contrasting ideologies—subject and calibrated to varied circumstances.

^^If anyone can understand the above, lol, lots of gold there.

 

[longtail]

IMO, many men can end up growing bitter with women in general because they do not stick to their guns on the standards they want to believe in while being able to simultaneously attract enough women to keep them satisfied and happy in the process.

Sadly, there's nothing most men can do to keep their women faithful. Most men, by definition, are in the 80% of men who women consider to be unattractive (see OKCupid survey).

They can act as 'alpha' as they want. They can be as selective as they want. But unless that they are in the top 20th percentile, their woman will still be unsatisfied.

 

[longtail]

Sounds like more Chad nonsense. But, it's not an issue about incel vs Chad because these non-incel beta males are engaged, in relationships, or married. I don't know, but I think it's better being single or incel than having a girlfriend or wife get nasty with a Chad behind your back or make a fool of you infront of your face. These noncel beta-males probably put in time, money, and allot of emotions into their women to see that all just wiped out at a drop of the hat and if they get upset or bitter then she can just walk away and get someone else. That's like a type of mental anguish and you wonder where you stand in the relationship. It's far safer to not to get to close to anyone to avoid humiliating experiences like that.

Yeah, that's exactly what's happening a dozen or two dozen times a night when I'm out. These girls are in fact walking away. Maybe not right away, but after a couple of hours of drinking, yes. As the club or bar is getting closer to closing time, yes. As I'm walking to my ride, yes. As I'm going to the bathroom, yes. It's reaching preposterous levels.

Keep in mind however, that a woman is protecting her emotions all the while. No deep talks, no personal stuff: just makeouts, grinding, sex.

 

[zekko]

They are not mutually exclusive concepts. One can be delusionally self confident overall and have strong frame (regarding the weakness) while at the same time being aware of, owning, and striving to redress the weakness.

I did mention "fake it till you make it", which is pretty close.
But someone who is delusional is not usually self aware. They lack insight, almost by definition.

 

[guru1000]

I did mention "fake it till you make it", which is pretty close.
But someone who is delusional is not usually self aware. They lack insight, almost by definition.

I’d say that’s the problem with language, that is, concise words are limited in scope furthered by how social constructs define those words and further corrupted by personal proclivities/biases.

Delusion to me is being aware but not having such a belief reinforced (yet) by evidence. Once an act is reinforced by success (and thus evidence), the act is no longer of delusion.

I’d say a big part of my success overall has been Starting with delusion (mental paradigms). We are just understanding the word differently.

Person who is delusionally self confident has no evidence to reinforce what he is confident about, but yet still goes in with a perspective of winning the outcome. I strongly believe that’s the best frame of mind to enter an unknown with (if there is no downside to consider, e.g. approaching, sales).

 

[longtail]

Even if the OP's story is true, it just shows that you can't trust club girls. I, for one, am shocked.

Club girls are also married girls and church girls and good girls and nice girls.

 

[longtail]

They are not mutually exclusive concepts. One can be delusionally self confident overall and have strong frame (regarding the weakness) while at the same time being aware of, owning, and striving to redress the weakness.

Guys who have poor genetics can strive all they want to but they have a ceiling in terms of the women they can attract.

The market is self correcting. For example, let's say you're in the market for a 1.5 million dollar home. Your annual income is $15,000. You savings are $85. You're a high school dropout. You can go visit every home listed in your target price range. You can talk the realtor's ear off. You can inspect every inch of every home: ask for floorplans, take aerial photos with a drone, knock on neighbor's doors and interview them.

Does that mean you can afford a $1.5 million home? Absolutely not. You don't have the income much less a sufficient line of credit. Your financial value is insufficient. Your capital is insufficient. And your prospects for increasing your capital are abysmal. Go get a GED and a college degree? Maybe. The problem is the person dropped out of high school because of their low IQ, because of poor genetics.

Once they reenroll, they'll either drop out or flunk out again.

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Same thing for ugly or average guy with poor or average genetics. He can talk to every girl in the neighborhood, in the county, in the state. He can lift weights six days a week. Never have a cheat meal. But if his underlying genetics are poor (ugly physical appearance, especially the face), he's not going to land a 10.

 

[longtail]

I think there is much confusion on this topic because people cannot differentiate behavior from solutions.

Women are hypergamous. This is their sexual programming. They will deliver their eggs to the most worthy male and drop other contenders when it suits them.

How men handle this is what matters. Men can either forge ahead and continue to better themselves, or they can withdraw and blame others.

Recognizing the reality is not playing victim though. Refusing to take action IS playing victim.

The first step towards solving any problem, is recognizing the problem for what it is.

The problem is that all women are chasing the top 20% of guys.

This means that 80% of men are either not in a relationship at all since women find them unattractive or are in a relationship where the women is willing to cheat or leave at the drop of a hat. This can only lead to mass social instability, personal dissatisfaction, anger, tension, frustration, anxiety, low self esteem etc.

There's no way to handle this problem on an individual basis.

I'm one of the beneficiaries of this anarchical state and even I feel bad to some degree for most guys. If I'm upset, think about how the bottom 80% feel.

 

[guru1000]

@longtail are you urbanyst or NN? Now you’re writing like Urbanyst.

Yes you are correct with relation to SMV currency. However, SMV is not looks alone. SMV is all STATUS, with looks being one form of status.

Take an ugly guy and position him in charge of a club, and he now has club 10s vying for him. Take him out of the club and he loses his SMV currency.

My point above was not that confidence (which is also an indirect form of status) beats SMV, but rather maximizes one’s chances with the SMV he already has.

 

[longtail]

@longtail are urbanyst or NN? Now you’re writing like Urbanyst.

Yes you are correct with relation to SMV currency. However, SMV is not looks alone. SMV is all STATUS, with looks being one form of status.

Take an ugly guy and position him in charge of a club, and he now has club 10s vying for him. Take him out of the club and he loses his SMV currency.

My point above was not that confidence (which is also an indirect form of status) beats SMV.

I know and have known several club and bar owners. Most are not ugly. They're normal to a bit above average looking. They definitely did not have 10's vying for them, and still don't.

One of them married an 8: hot blonde girl with big fake tits, gal is early 30's. He dated her long term, a couple of years.

A second hangs out at his own bar quite a bit, chats up the prettier cougars. Gives them free drinks. He doesn't have much success.

A third was busted for giving away drugs to girls after hours. The bar was shut down.

A fourth is a grossly obese guy, a genuinely ugly guy. He's married to a fat, plain looking woman. His bar is very successful. He has no success with women.

A fifth is a lady owner. Middle aged, heavy set, typical appearance for her age. She runs a successful small bar. She used to buy me drinks every time I showed, but stopped when I never fvcked her.

Bar owners in general do try to leverage the free alcohol angle, but with very limited success. Also, these bar owners don't make that much money. A schoolteacher makes more money than the average bar owner. Also, a lot of clubs struggle and turnover ownership every few years.

There are so many urban legends about certain niches getting laid "all the time." Every time I look closer, it turns out there is gross exaggeration.

I've met a lot of actors especially tv actors who work steadily, and some who are easily recognizable. They have very limited success dating. They don't have women throwing themselves at them.

Same is true for D1 college athletes. A few of them have above average success, maybe a quarterback for a top 10 ranked team. The vast majority of the guys are just anonymous, dumb fat jocks.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Would this woman be loyal?