One thing i will say: women create the "creeps and stalkers"

[Infern0]

In my Facebook group where I'm coaching nice guys, one thing they all have in common is they are doing what they think is the CORRECT way to get women.

They honestly belive that being super nice, being a doormat, always "being there" is the right and honourable way to get women.

What's also lacking in all these dudes life is a strong alpha male role model.

Women are raising these guys to have ZERO chance in the game. In effect chopping their balls off then releasing them into the wild.

What follows from a guy who has been raised to A) belive having a woman is the most important thing in life and B) having instinctive drilled in strategies guaranteed to end in failure every time?

Desperation
Cognitive dissonance
Dissapointed
Confusion
Anger
Hatred


This is often the case of the "creepy stalker" he's a nice guy who is trying to prove he will "always be there" because that's all he's ever been told to do.

Also and im not justifying abuse toward women in any way but I do feel a significant volume of it is guys suffering psychotic breaks after years of failure, humiliation and anguish.

All of it could have been avoided if these guys had a strong alpha presence in their life to sit them down and explain in simple form the "basics of women" from an appropriately early age.

The truth is women don't UNDERSTAND why they are attracted to what they are. And they should almost NEVER be giving advice on how to get girls, because they all THINK they want the opposite to what they actually do.

 

[Spaz]

The truth is women don't UNDERSTAND why they are attracted to what they are. And they should almost NEVER be giving advice on how to get girls, because they all THINK they want the opposite to what they actually do.

Agreed.

Women and men interact with different worldviews. The worldviews must be maintained to achieve equilibrium.

As such getting the perspective of a woman is a form of corruption to the masculine frame and that equilibrium has now shifted in favor of the feminine worldview - resulting in a fvckload of white knights, single mom's, broken families, incel's, MGTOW's, no-fappers etc.

It's spawning a whole bunch of new age fvckturds who in return gives birth to more fvckturds whom carries on the fvckturds traditions. Ain't that something ?

 

[soulforge]

Agreed.

Women and men interact with different worldviews. The worldviews must be maintained to achieve equilibrium.

As such getting the perspective of a woman is a form of corruption to the masculine frame and that equilibrium has now shifted in favor of the feminine worldview - resulting in a fvckload of white knights, single mom's, broken families, incel's, MGTOW's, no-fappers etc.

It's spawning a whole bunch of new age fvckturds who in return gives birth to more fvckturds whom carries on the fvckturds traditions. Ain't that something ?

Welcome to the WESTERN WORLD

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Desperation
Cognitive dissonance
Dissapointed
Confusion
Anger
Hatred

Women don't 'create' these things. These are symptoms of socialisation.

Read the I-Ching. It explains how governments should lead without being seen to be leading. As such, divide and conquer is the rule of thumb. Social divisions are created throughout society - gender, class, religion, wealth-poverty, politics. The list goes on.

Yes, we are living in fem-centric times in the West; but women are not the route cause. They are subject to their own socialisation as much as men are. A man's only obligations are to deal with it, rise above and associate with women (people) who have their heads screwed on.

 

[devilkingx2]

Frankly, guys who aren't self aware enough to stop doing sh!t that never works are probably doomed to fail anyway

 

[Infern0]

Frankly, guys who aren't self aware enough to stop doing sh!t that never works are probably doomed to fail anyway

A lot of it is trained in to be instinctive, and the culture today is actively pro feminist so saying what actually works is considered sexist and usually shut down.

You have to do a fair bit of digging to get the truth.

 

[Soflobro#3]

In my Facebook group where I'm coaching nice guys, one thing they all have in common is they are doing what they think is the CORRECT way to get women.

They honestly belive that being super nice, being a doormat, always "being there" is the right and honourable way to get women.

What's also lacking in all these dudes life is a strong alpha male role model.

Women are raising these guys to have ZERO chance in the game. In effect chopping their balls off then releasing them into the wild.

What follows from a guy who has been raised to A) belive having a woman is the most important thing in life and B) having instinctive drilled in strategies guaranteed to end in failure every time?

Desperation
Cognitive dissonance
Dissapointed
Confusion
Anger
Hatred


This is often the case of the "creepy stalker" he's a nice guy who is trying to prove he will "always be there" because that's all he's ever been told to do.

Also and im not justifying abuse toward women in any way but I do feel a significant volume of it is guys suffering psychotic breaks after years of failure, humiliation and anguish.

All of it could have been avoided if these guys had a strong alpha presence in their life to sit them down and explain in simple form the "basics of women" from an appropriately early age.

The truth is women don't UNDERSTAND why they are attracted to what they are. And they should almost NEVER be giving advice on how to get girls, because they all THINK they want the opposite to what they actually do.

Woman also do it by leading guys on even if only lying by omission. If women were trained to be more honest this would happen less.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

In my Facebook group where I'm coaching nice guys, one thing they all have in common is they are doing what they think is the CORRECT way to get women.

They honestly belive that being super nice, being a doormat, always "being there" is the right and honourable way to get women.

What's also lacking in all these dudes life is a strong alpha male role model.

Women are raising these guys to have ZERO chance in the game. In effect chopping their balls off then releasing them into the wild.

What follows from a guy who has been raised to A) belive having a woman is the most important thing in life and B) having instinctive drilled in strategies guaranteed to end in failure every time?

Desperation
Cognitive dissonance
Dissapointed
Confusion
Anger
Hatred


This is often the case of the "creepy stalker" he's a nice guy who is trying to prove he will "always be there" because that's all he's ever been told to do.

Also and im not justifying abuse toward women in any way but I do feel a significant volume of it is guys suffering psychotic breaks after years of failure, humiliation and anguish.

All of it could have been avoided if these guys had a strong alpha presence in their life to sit them down and explain in simple form the "basics of women" from an appropriately early age.

The truth is women don't UNDERSTAND why they are attracted to what they are. And they should almost NEVER be giving advice on how to get girls, because they all THINK they want the opposite to what they actually do.

There's a lot of men raised by single mom's. Men are nuked by the blue pill through societal conditioning and government education. Moreover, men aren't appreciated which is why more are checking out.

It's all for sport. Smash or next.

 

[devilkingx2]

A lot of it is trained in to be instinctive, and the culture today is actively pro feminist so saying what actually works is considered sexist and usually shut down.

You have to do a fair bit of digging to get the truth.

I've found that guys who actually get laid or have experience are pretty redpilled about women in general, it's taking advice from bluepill cucks or women that you shouldn't do. A guy with a modicum of common sense asks the Barney stinson/charlie harper/joey tribiani/sterling archer/glenn quagmire of their group of friends how it's done

 

[peanutbuttablunts]

In my Facebook group where I'm coaching nice guys, one thing they all have in common is they are doing what they think is the CORRECT way to get women.

They honestly belive that being super nice, being a doormat, always "being there" is the right and honourable way to get women.

What's also lacking in all these dudes life is a strong alpha male role model.

Women are raising these guys to have ZERO chance in the game. In effect chopping their balls off then releasing them into the wild.

What follows from a guy who has been raised to A) belive having a woman is the most important thing in life and B) having instinctive drilled in strategies guaranteed to end in failure every time?

Desperation
Cognitive dissonance
Dissapointed
Confusion
Anger
Hatred


This is often the case of the "creepy stalker" he's a nice guy who is trying to prove he will "always be there" because that's all he's ever been told to do.

Also and im not justifying abuse toward women in any way but I do feel a significant volume of it is guys suffering psychotic breaks after years of failure, humiliation and anguish.

All of it could have been avoided if these guys had a strong alpha presence in their life to sit them down and explain in simple form the "basics of women" from an appropriately early age.

The truth is women don't UNDERSTAND why they are attracted to what they are. And they should almost NEVER be giving advice on how to get girls, because they all THINK they want the opposite to what they actually do.

"in effect chopping their balls off and then releasing them into the wild" xD

 

[RangerMIke]

In my Facebook group where I'm coaching nice guys, one thing they all have in common is they are doing what they think is the CORRECT way to get women.

Good for you. Personally I do not have the patience to be an effective coach. I will share my opinion, observations, and offer advice, but there is no way I can coach-out a life of stupid conditioning. Men were not born the way they are today, so it is possible to fix problems but dudes have to be willing to leave behind belief systems that no longer serve them. Men I have tried to help in the past seem to always revert back to conditioned behavior the minute they think they are 'in love', and start behaving like simps... which cause them to lose their snowflake.

One was a friend of mine, same age as me, early 50s, previously married with grown kids whose ex divorce r@ped his @ss. about 10 years ago. I had him flying right, he started his own business, was dating hot chicks, was making tons of money on the top of the world. He had in his rotation a chick I was also seeing as well. Like I always say, I really don't give a fvck if women I date are seeing other dudes, but she better not give me grief about other chicks I'm dating. Anyway, this chick was GOOD in bed, really good, nice body, smart had a lot going for her, above average chick, and that stupid son-of-a-b!tch fell hard for her, found out I was seeing her and flipped the fvck out.

Bros before hoes... I told him I'd back off if that's what he wanted, so I did. But it was too late, she told him she wanted kids (she is in her early 30s) he said no and broke up with her. Good job! Stick to your guns I said, and he told me if I wanted her he doesn't care.... So naturally I started fvcking her again... like I said the s3x was great. Only he didn't really mean it... he became un-glued... started chasing her, and begging her to come back. This was the last time I tried coaching ANYONE. At that point she had all the power and got exactly what she wanted. He married her, she had a kid.... and now he is pathetic... one of his businesses failed. Another is in trouble... I never see him anymore because his wife has him on a short leash which she yanks out of habit, while she spends his businesses into the ground.

Fast forward into 3 weeks ago, I'm putting together a panel discussion on international trade for the World Trade Center, and I asked his wife to be on the panel (she is an expert on agricultural exports). When I met with her to discuss who else will be on the panel I reminded her that she was the only one that had any expertise on ag exports, then the conversation steered towards food, and how important food is, and the benefit of a good diet... yada yada. Then out of no where she said, "You must have a good diet regime... because you taste so good... you taste a lot better than Kirk." And started hitting on me.

Of course none of this is a surprise for anyone that knows anything about chicks... this is what and who they are. She's used up poor Kirk, he's going to have to work until he is in his 70s, to support this new kid, while his wife goes around behind his back fvcking around on him.... at some point he isn't even going to care anymore, and he'll just welcome being a cuck because it's better than getting nagged to death, either that or she'll divorce him, take what little he has left and he'll get to see his kid once every other week... while his ex raises his son to be a P0S.

This is what happens to you when you lose emotional self-control.

 

[Who Dares Win]

As a general rule women shouldnt have any leading role toward young males, thats like having a sheep to teach lions how to behave.

Anyway there are men who understand something is wrong and are ready for a second opinion and help while others become aggressive and dangerous once put near the light.

 

[Soflobro#3]

Good for you. Personally I do not have the patience to be an effective coach. I will share my opinion, observations, and offer advice, but there is no way I can coach-out a life of stupid conditioning. Men were not born the way they are today, so it is possible to fix problems but dudes have to be willing to leave behind belief systems that no longer serve them. Men I have tried to help in the past seem to always revert back to conditioned behavior the minute they think they are 'in love', and start behaving like simps... which cause them to lose their snowflake.

One was a friend of mine, same age as me, early 50s, previously married with grown kids whose ex divorce r@ped his @ss. about 10 years ago. I had him flying right, he started his own business, was dating hot chicks, was making tons of money on the top of the world. He had in his rotation a chick I was also seeing as well. Like I always say, I really don't give a fvck if women I date are seeing other dudes, but she better not give me grief about other chicks I'm dating. Anyway, this chick was GOOD in bed, really good, nice body, smart had a lot going for her, above average chick, and that stupid son-of-a-b!tch fell hard for her, found out I was seeing her and flipped the fvck out.

Bros before hoes... I told him I'd back off if that's what he wanted, so I did. But it was too late, she told him she wanted kids (she is in her early 30s) he said no and broke up with her. Good job! Stick to your guns I said, and he told me if I wanted her he doesn't care.... So naturally I started fvcking her again... like I said the s3x was great. Only he didn't really mean it... he became un-glued... started chasing her, and begging her to come back. This was the last time I tried coaching ANYONE. At that point she had all the power and got exactly what she wanted. He married her, she had a kid.... and now he is pathetic... one of his businesses failed. Another is in trouble... I never see him anymore because his wife has him on a short leash which she yanks out of habit, while she spends his businesses into the ground.

Fast forward into 3 weeks ago, I'm putting together a panel discussion on international trade for the World Trade Center, and I asked his wife to be on the panel (she is an expert on agricultural exports). When I met with her to discuss who else will be on the panel I reminded her that she was the only one that had any expertise on ag exports, then the conversation steered towards food, and how important food is, and the benefit of a good diet... yada yada. Then out of no where she said, "You must have a good diet regime... because you taste so good... you taste a lot better than Kirk." And started hitting on me.

Of course none of this is a surprise for anyone that knows anything about chicks... this is what and who they are. She's used up poor Kirk, he's going to have to work until he is in his 70s, to support this new kid, while his wife goes around behind his back fvcking around on him.... at some point he isn't even going to care anymore, and he'll just welcome being a cuck because it's better than getting nagged to death, either that or she'll divorce him, take what little he has left and he'll get to see his kid once every other week... while his ex raises his son to be a P0S.

This is what happens to you when you lose emotional self-control.

But women who are like this kind of deserve to be locked up or labeled so everyone knows and she can't get away with it. I see how it's his fault for losing emotional self control, but you know what she is evil for taking advantage of it. My last two long term relationships, (over a year and a half) i lost emotional control but only because i was drinking and doing drugs and litterally doing nothing with myself, id try but id eventually get bored, say fvck it and just play bideos games, drink, smoke weed, sometimes do drugs. They try tired of my sh1t so i understand why they basically broke up with me. But the first one I'm talking about invested way more than me, and just ended up moving out. But we (mostly her) had been putting money away in a little retirement or long term investment account. She also bought me a bus ticket to the state i came from and back. It was a couple grand, and she just let me Keep it. The second one bailed me out of jail,before that i didn't work for like 6 months, never paid rent, and eventually i moved out on my own because she was being such a b1tch, and she still paid my phone bill, gave me rides to go pee in a cup for the browards sheriffs office (fvck the bso).

Why did these women do so much for me even after it was basically over. I don't understand. I realize i kind of fvcked them over, but not to bad, and it was only because once i start getting fvcked up all the time, i can exhibit sociopathic behaviors, but I'm definitely not a sociopath, i felt guilty a lot of times i just couldn't stop getting fvcked up.

This makes me think if i can bag another woman like this a stay sober and stay on a decent path and stick with somethin, that i could potentially have a healthy long term relationship in the future. I did got pretty far when i was just getting fvcked up half the time. Am I wrong to think this way? Is it really inevitable that all women will be like Kirk's wife if you lose emotional control?

The guy that helped me find a place in Florida now, i was homeless in Milwaukee for about 2 month, said to me one night "you are desensitized and i want to know why" he also told me that I'm crazy.

 

[AttackFormation]

Good for you. Personally I do not have the patience to be an effective coach. I will share my opinion, observations, and offer advice, but there is no way I can coach-out a life of stupid conditioning. Men were not born the way they are today, so it is possible to fix problems but dudes have to be willing to leave behind belief systems that no longer serve them. Men I have tried to help in the past seem to always revert back to conditioned behavior the minute they think they are 'in love', and start behaving like simps... which cause them to lose their snowflake.

One was a friend of mine, same age as me, early 50s, previously married with grown kids whose ex divorce r@ped his @ss. about 10 years ago. I had him flying right, he started his own business, was dating hot chicks, was making tons of money on the top of the world. He had in his rotation a chick I was also seeing as well. Like I always say, I really don't give a fvck if women I date are seeing other dudes, but she better not give me grief about other chicks I'm dating. Anyway, this chick was GOOD in bed, really good, nice body, smart had a lot going for her, above average chick, and that stupid son-of-a-b!tch fell hard for her, found out I was seeing her and flipped the fvck out.

Bros before hoes... I told him I'd back off if that's what he wanted, so I did. But it was too late, she told him she wanted kids (she is in her early 30s) he said no and broke up with her. Good job! Stick to your guns I said, and he told me if I wanted her he doesn't care.... So naturally I started fvcking her again... like I said the s3x was great. Only he didn't really mean it... he became un-glued... started chasing her, and begging her to come back. This was the last time I tried coaching ANYONE. At that point she had all the power and got exactly what she wanted. He married her, she had a kid.... and now he is pathetic... one of his businesses failed. Another is in trouble... I never see him anymore because his wife has him on a short leash which she yanks out of habit, while she spends his businesses into the ground.

Fast forward into 3 weeks ago, I'm putting together a panel discussion on international trade for the World Trade Center, and I asked his wife to be on the panel (she is an expert on agricultural exports). When I met with her to discuss who else will be on the panel I reminded her that she was the only one that had any expertise on ag exports, then the conversation steered towards food, and how important food is, and the benefit of a good diet... yada yada. Then out of no where she said, "You must have a good diet regime... because you taste so good... you taste a lot better than Kirk." And started hitting on me.

Of course none of this is a surprise for anyone that knows anything about chicks... this is what and who they are. She's used up poor Kirk, he's going to have to work until he is in his 70s, to support this new kid, while his wife goes around behind his back fvcking around on him.... at some point he isn't even going to care anymore, and he'll just welcome being a cuck because it's better than getting nagged to death, either that or she'll divorce him, take what little he has left and he'll get to see his kid once every other week... while his ex raises his son to be a P0S.

This is what happens to you when you lose emotional self-control.

I think I recognize this guy... I felt some neurons firing when you started writing about him. Is this that same "stud" high smv guy who is getting his soul cleaned out I think you've mentioned before?

 

[RangerMIke]

I think I recognize this guy... I felt some neurons firing when you started writing about him. Is this that same "stud" high smv guy who is getting his soul cleaned out I think you've mentioned before?

No.... different guy. I didn't know WM accept through BG... we were more acquaintances. That was WM, his new 'bride' is BG, the Viking Princess. Just tonight I ran into BG at a party sans hubby, she is definitely having 2nd thoughts about her marriage. But really she is different, she is a true alpha female, making all the money in that relationship, her attraction to WM was purely physical... but that sh!t with chicks runs it's course really fast.... the only way WM was going to last was to step up and take charge of the money earning... that just isn't him... he was never going to be a good plow horse to meet the needs of the Viking Princess.

K is/was my friend... he was a Naval officer, me Army. And we met a few years back when we were working with John Besh (a former Marine) helping veteran owned businesses. We had so much in common except his attitude about women. I haven't seen KC since a few months before he was married, and no... I was not invited to the 'branding' ceremony. Sad...I'll be there for him if he ever reaches out.

 

[Red Legg]

Good for you. Personally I do not have the patience to be an effective coach. I will share my opinion, observations, and offer advice, but there is no way I can coach-out a life of stupid conditioning. Men were not born the way they are today, so it is possible to fix problems but dudes have to be willing to leave behind belief systems that no longer serve them. Men I have tried to help in the past seem to always revert back to conditioned behavior the minute they think they are 'in love', and start behaving like simps... which cause them to lose their snowflake.

One was a friend of mine, same age as me, early 50s, previously married with grown kids whose ex divorce r@ped his @ss. about 10 years ago. I had him flying right, he started his own business, was dating hot chicks, was making tons of money on the top of the world. He had in his rotation a chick I was also seeing as well. Like I always say, I really don't give a fvck if women I date are seeing other dudes, but she better not give me grief about other chicks I'm dating. Anyway, this chick was GOOD in bed, really good, nice body, smart had a lot going for her, above average chick, and that stupid son-of-a-b!tch fell hard for her, found out I was seeing her and flipped the fvck out.

Bros before hoes... I told him I'd back off if that's what he wanted, so I did. But it was too late, she told him she wanted kids (she is in her early 30s) he said no and broke up with her. Good job! Stick to your guns I said, and he told me if I wanted her he doesn't care.... So naturally I started fvcking her again... like I said the s3x was great. Only he didn't really mean it... he became un-glued... started chasing her, and begging her to come back. This was the last time I tried coaching ANYONE. At that point she had all the power and got exactly what she wanted. He married her, she had a kid.... and now he is pathetic... one of his businesses failed. Another is in trouble... I never see him anymore because his wife has him on a short leash which she yanks out of habit, while she spends his businesses into the ground.

Fast forward into 3 weeks ago, I'm putting together a panel discussion on international trade for the World Trade Center, and I asked his wife to be on the panel (she is an expert on agricultural exports). When I met with her to discuss who else will be on the panel I reminded her that she was the only one that had any expertise on ag exports, then the conversation steered towards food, and how important food is, and the benefit of a good diet... yada yada. Then out of no where she said, "You must have a good diet regime... because you taste so good... you taste a lot better than Kirk." And started hitting on me.

Of course none of this is a surprise for anyone that knows anything about chicks... this is what and who they are. She's used up poor Kirk, he's going to have to work until he is in his 70s, to support this new kid, while his wife goes around behind his back fvcking around on him.... at some point he isn't even going to care anymore, and he'll just welcome being a cuck because it's better than getting nagged to death, either that or she'll divorce him, take what little he has left and he'll get to see his kid once every other week... while his ex raises his son to be a P0S.

This is what happens to you when you lose emotional self-control.

I am sorry about your friend fellow brother veteran...some men have a hard time keeping the red pill down but really he wasn't enlightened to begin with (and will be ruined) ..and let me take this opportunity to thank (whatever your real name is ) for your helpful red pill as fvck posts.They helped me unplug all the way instead of half ass-ing it ……..GO ARMY.

 

[AttackFormation]

No.... different guy. I didn't know WM accept through BG... we were more acquaintances. That was WM, his new 'bride' is BG, the Viking Princess. Just tonight I ran into BG at a party sans hubby, she is definitely having 2nd thoughts about her marriage. But really she is different, she is a true alpha female, making all the money in that relationship, her attraction to WM was purely physical... but that sh!t with chicks runs it's course really fast.... the only way WM was going to last was to step up and take charge of the money earning... that just isn't him... he was never going to be a good plow horse to meet the needs of the Viking Princess.

K is/was my friend... he was a Naval officer, me Army. And we met a few years back when we were working with John Besh (a former Marine) helping veteran owned businesses. We had so much in common except his attitude about women. I haven't seen KC since a few months before he was married, and no... I was not invited to the 'branding' ceremony. Sad...I'll be there for him if he ever reaches out.

Ah, right. Viking Princess rings a bell.

Mike, you say the only way WM was gonna last was to step up and take charge of the money earning, and that it just isn't him. He was never gonna be a good enough plow horse. But then if he did... she may have stayed with him, but it'd be because he's a provider. She doesn't love him anyway. Or do you think she would have?

I guess you're saying this out of his perspective because he wants the relationship to "work", and providing is the only way he could make it appear to work. I think you'll use this to lead into a "no-win" depiction of LTRs, and say that's why you don't bother with them. But there must be some couple or two you know where the woman does genuinely like the man, without it merely being a prelude of emotional or material predation?

Haha, branding ceremony.. that was a good one. Well if a guy still gets married today, he has the same clue about the bigger picture as cattle does.

 

[btownbuck2012]

75% of females have an antagonistic relationship with men and are happy to see them lose/suffer.....and you think you need them in life. Blue pill guys want the validation of females who don't give a damn about them and are happy to see them lose in life.

This is very true. It fundamentally changed me when I really realized this.

 

[Red Legg]

I guess you're saying this out of his perspective because he wants the relationship to "work", and providing is the only way he could make it appear to work. I

You must have missed the part about his

. I think you'll use this to lead into a "no-win" depiction of LTRs, and say that's why you don't bother with them. But there must be some couple or two you know where the woman does genuinely like the man, without it merely being a prelude of emotional or material predation?

Yeah sure there is if she can get something out of his unaware ass....the most "fulfilling relationships" I have had have been purely sexual ones..

 

[AttackFormation]

You must have missed the part about his

Yeah sure there is if she can get something out of his unaware ass....the most "fulfilling relationships" I have had have been purely sexual ones..

"His" what?

Well I've never been in a relationship myself and don't really plan on being in one unless I want kids with the woman, that and being younger is why I'm curious. My siblings' relationships have just begun so I've only got my parents' across-the-board fvcked up marriage, divorce and new relationships to look at.