Dealing with suspected cheating

[Soflobro#3]

Given. To solve a problem one applies Ackhams edge theorem. Eliminating cause in a revolving dynamic will not ensure correction.
However correction in perceptions of men will revert reality. Thus, is the impetus the cause or is the receipt point being at effect? As we cannot eliminate the “cause” (within the next three generations) we would have to rectify the effects.

Found this on 4chan : Women are like dogs. Dogs are ****ing delightful creatures and great companions for life, but only if you make it very clear that you're taking them out for walks and not the other way around. Only if you make it absolutely, positively clear that you're the hand that feeds them, your hand dictates whether they live or die.

 

[Ranger]

Well it's more so the gender dynamics which has been heavily influenced by feminism and "women's rights" its the culture that men are born into. I didn't even go to public school until I was in 8th grade so I avoided a lot of that brainwashing that is primarily done in public schools and the media.

How is it a lot of the mens fault? They were lied to and brainwashed since they were children. As a result of this brainwashing women have been able to become entitled, deceitful, vapid whorves. Adult women have equal rights. They choose to be how they are. They know better but they just don't care. Women need to be guided because look what they've become.

It's not the men, it's the system they were born into. The same cultural system that enables women to be narcissistic and deceptive humanbeings.

You can argue all day about if it's the chicken or the egg that came first. But the problem is that women are enabled to be how they are and they know Better and if they wanted they could be honest and more direct. Some women are much better and make the conscious decision to have integrity, most of my exes were like this so I've experienced it first hand. I attract women like this. Don't get me wrong they still acted like women, but they were better about the whole honesty thing, so I know women are capable of it. It's just that women left to their own devices will turn into narcissistic monsters and not give a fvck about anyone else. Men can be like this too, but men are different. Men have more honor and courage.

So no stop blaming men. If you don't believe women should be held accountable for their own decisions you should also believe they shouldn't be able to vote.

This is all explained in The Rational Male, by Rollo Tomassi. There’s an appendix so you can search all his references.
His second book also hits on it in a few places.
The important part is to check what he references and why.

So you get this kid walking around and this girl walks around all empowered. He was raised by a single mom. (Another travesty in itself)
I went to eight different schools because I was a navy brat.

If you say it’s women’s fault and they need to be corrected...there’s no solution. Not for a man or a boy living now. The propensity is to push responsibility out. Not pull it in. Think of a scientist or a doctor. He spends his whole life operating on a lie. But he doesn’t know that. Then you give him evidence. Instant rejection of evidence. If he doesn’t? In his mind his whole life was a waste. Really hard pill.

The right to vote for women was jumped on by a failing democrat party at the time. Women are naturally socialistic by design. To get women’s vote was as simple as progressing the party. Soon true socialists/communists jumped into the fray.

Our entire society from the news to the stores to sales to everything is femcentric. Your subconscious picks up on it. Ask any advertiser how it works and how positioning in consumer choices works.

Men also have a biological imperative. If the world fell apart you would see it right away. But the world hasn’t fallen apart. We, as men have given up our birthright. As we grew and started dating, we ran into things that didn’t seem to make sense. We didn’t evaluate it. We bought in. Responsibility #1

If one accepts that he is the cause of his demise. Directly or indirectly, he can, in fact, solve it. The more he pushes responsibility out to women...the more it becomes quick sand. There’s no solution there.

 

[Ranger]

Found this on 4chan : Women are like dogs. Dogs are ****ing delightful creatures and great companions for life, but only if you make it very clear that you're taking them out for walks and not the other way around. Only if you make it absolutely, positively clear that you're the hand that feeds them, your hand dictates whether they live or die.

That’s what Spaz was communicating in many ways. But not all. For me? I find them more like little girls. All they want to do is skip rope, play hopscotch and kiss boys.

 

[Ranger]

Found this on 4chan : Women are like dogs. Dogs are ****ing delightful creatures and great companions for life, but only if you make it very clear that you're taking them out for walks and not the other way around. Only if you make it absolutely, positively clear that you're the hand that feeds them, your hand dictates whether they live or die.

Remember. Don’t say this. It won’t work. A woman will just say “I make my own money buster. And I will feed myself” which translates to, believe it or not, I will fuk and suk whoever I want.
You have to demonstrate it in your frame. This is why Spaz and I emphasize frame is everything.

 

[Soflobro#3]

Remember. Don’t say this. It won’t work. A woman will just say “I make my own money buster. And I will feed myself” which translates to, believe it or not, I will fuk and suk whoever I want.
You have to demonstrate it in your frame. This is why Spaz and I emphasize frame is everything.

Most of my exes made more money than! And still went along with my frame. You don't need financial power over them.

 

[Music_czar]

Here’s a higher level thought. Just think about it. How about, that her design and genetic programming has decided that the man isn’t good enough to quell and stabilize her Hypergamy.
And from her viewpoint, he isn’t good enough to keep her Hypergamy from taking over.

I think this is most attractive women today. They always have options, which is what makes dating so difficult for men today. Women can always just spread their legs and find a new guy to occupy their time with.. as for us guys, no matter how good looking or down with game we might be we are entering a new era where the odds are being stacked against us.

Women are being taught that relationships don’t work, that men are no good, and that women should be allowed to keep harems of lovers just as men once did. The prettier, younger women will always be the naturally best don juans (don juanitas) and aren’t above employing tools that men just are not as good at using, such as:

1. Keeping other options open
2. Maintaining sex only relationships with exes
3. Employing the silent treatment
4. Triangulation with other lovers/orbiters/admirers
5. The power to walk away.

I think that’s why we have so many guys here on SoSuave and other forums commenting on how bad dating is and how downright evil women are acting towards men. We spend a lot of time trying to understand BPD, bipolar disorder, psychiatric issues, and how women don’t make sense.. but if you sift through all the insanity, seemingly non-sensical behaviour, and crazymaking you will find that women are simply employing the coldest most emotionless logic of all: if one guy isn’t making her happy, she will actively find someone else who will.

Women are rapidly developing into cold emotionless users, while men are being relegated to being the emotionally abused who are left wondering what the hell just happened after the train has struck and moved on.

Women have the capability to not give a fvck much more than men do.. generally speaking. Unless you’re the kind of guy who can jump from bed to bed content with not caring about women you’re at a serious disadvantage. Being a player gets old fast, there comes a time you just want to spend time with someone you can actually trust for long periods of time and sadly these kinds of women are becoming extremely rare.

Today, women have teams of lawyers, psychiatrists, counselors, and female friends giving them advice on what to do, how to act, and basically how to punish and ultimately detach from their men. Our failings are amplified and catastrophized, and there’s always legions of men in the form of exes, admirers, and orbiters willing to back them up and provide a “shoulder to cry on” if you know what I mean.

 

[Soflobro#3]

I think this is most attractive women today. They always have options, which is what makes dating so difficult for men today. Women can always just spread their legs and find a new guy to occupy their time with.. as for us guys, no matter how good looking or down with game we might be we are entering a new era where the odds are being stacked against us.

Women are being taught that relationships don’t work, that men are no good, and that women should be allowed to keep harems of lovers just as men once did. The prettier, younger women will always be the naturally best don juans (don juanitas) and aren’t above employing tools that men just are not as good at using, such as:

1. Keeping other options open
2. Maintaining sex only relationships with exes
3. Employing the silent treatment
4. Triangulation with other lovers/orbiters/admirers
5. The power to walk away.

I think that’s why we have so many guys here on SoSuave and other forums commenting on how bad dating is and how downright evil women are acting towards men. We spend a lot of time trying to understand BPD, bipolar disorder, psychiatric issues, and how women don’t make sense.. but if you sift through all the insanity, seemingly non-sensical behaviour, and crazymaking you will find that women are simply employing the coldest most emotionless logic of all: of one guy isn’t making her happy, she will actively find someone else who will.

Women are rapidly developing into cold emotionless users, while men are being relegated to being the emotionally abused who are left wondering what he hell just happened after the train has struck and moved on.

Women have the capability to not give a fvck much more than men do.. generally speaking. Unless you’re the kind of guy who can jump from bed to bed content with not caring about women you’re at a serious disadvantage. Being a player gets old fast, there comes a time you just want to spend time with someone you can actually trust for long periods of time and sadly these kinds of women are becoming extremely rare.

Oh but Spaz and Ranger say this is completely normal and acceptable behavior and we should just take it.

 

[Ranger]

Being a player gets old fast, there comes a time you just want to spend time with someone you can actually trust for long periods of time and sadly these kinds of women are becoming extremely rare.

Yeah I get it.
In The Rational Male, Tomassi talks about this. Or maybe it’s his second book. Most likely the second book.
He makes the point where we just want to lay back and just be. Just relax for once. Talk about deep things that matter to us. Confide in her some things we really aren’t able to express normally.

The problem is...we may not be able to get back up. It’s kind of a fuked up thing.

 

[Ranger]

Oh but Spaz and Ranger say this is completely normal and acceptable behavior and we should just take it.

We never said it was acceptable. I don’t know why you keep saying that. We are saying...that’s the way it is There’s the way things should be and there’s the way things are.

Maybe if we shaved their heads and burn a few at the stake the rest will change. Or you know, put them in chains and beat the genetics and biology right out of them. That might work. This stuff happens in countries that stone you to death for doing it. Yeah punishing them works.

Or we can be the man that they were looking for all this time. Give them that one slice of heaven for however long it lasts.
First off, way less than .1% of men have the skill or the means to facilitate and create enough dominance/masculinity to massage a relationship forward for such an extended time.
There could be a way if they lived seperate and came together a few times a week.
The man can NEVER show less than optimum performance day in and day out or her hypergamy, which is always idling in the background, will fire off. I didn’t make women. I’m not god. But I do fully understand them. There is no mystery.
Spinning plates is the only way to keep you from getting to invested in one or getting oneitis.

 

[Music_czar]

Yeah I get it.
In The Rational Male, Tomassi talks about this. Or maybe it’s his second book. Most likely the second book.
He makes the point where we just want to lay back and just be. Just relax for once. Talk about deep things that matter to us. Confide in her some things we really aren’t able to express normally.

The problem is...we may not be able to get back up. It’s kind of a fuked up thing.

I agree with you. I’ve read some of the rational male and to me it’s very female-like. Which is a good thing: because he’s trying to show men how to use psychology to date more like women.

Problem is, try being logical and cool when you really like a girl and she’s doing all the things we know women do to make us jealous, angry, upset, or downright feeling ignored or outraged.

Men are too emotional, I think we crave having a good woman much more than women crave having a good man. Even if children are involved women are much more able to simply walk away than men are. We crave simple things: good food, good sex, and loyalty. We don’t care about things like status, money, or job titles, or what kinds of cars our women drive or the professions they have. We’re generally simple, crave simple pleasures, and you’ll never hear a guy complain about how he never goes anywhere good with his girlfriend any more.

Women talk about how communication is key and maybe at first but I find from experience women will just use your weaknesses and vulnerabilities against you. I find women just aren’t as accepting of men as men are of women.

I think rollo recognizes this, which is why he encourages us to be more emotionally detached. A woman, especially a woman with past issues of abuse or bad relationships, is exceptionally good at making her man suffer and detaching from him. Very few men have this same capability, which explains why so many more divorces are initiated by women than the other way around.

 

[Soflobro#3]

We never said it was acceptable. I don’t know why you keep saying that. We are saying...that’s the way it is There’s the way things should be and there’s the way things are.

Maybe if we shaved their heads and burn a few at the stake the rest will change. Or you know, put them in chains and beat the genetics and biology right out of them. That might work. This stuff happens in countries that stone you to death for doing it. Yeah punishing them works.

Or we can be the man that they were looking for all this time. Give them that one slice of heaven for however long it lasts.
First off, way less than .1% of men have the skill or the means to facilitate and create enough dominance/masculinity to massage a relationship forward for such an extended time.
There could be a way if they lived seperate and came together a few times a week.
The man can NEVER show less than optimum performance day in and day out or her hypergamy, which is always idling in the background, will fire off. I didn’t make women. I’m not god. But I do fully understand them. There is no mystery.
Spinning plates is the only way to keep you from getting to invested in one or getting oneitis.

We used to burn witches. Seriously slvts and users are basically witches. Their deception and manipulation is in a way kind of like magic because it's no apparent to a lot of people. It's indirect but effective. You got to wonder sometimes that maybe our ancestors were not oppressing women, they where making it fair. It wasn't oppression or abuse. It was damage control.

 

[Ranger]

We used to burn witches. Seriously slvts and users are basically witches. Their deception and manipulation is in a way kind of like magic because it's no apparent to a lot of people. It's indirect but effective. You got to wonder sometimes that maybe our ancestors were not oppressing women, they where making it fair. It wasn't oppression or abuse. It was damage control.

Perhaps. But it still didn’t stop it. We are still here.
If they had stopped it...we wouldn’t be here thriving despite its obvious declining.
We were never entitled to breed as men. We had to survive the trials of just hunting and providing shelter.
The world is emerged in civilization and the biology remains the same. Hell of a thing.

 

[Music_czar]

I don’t think the solution is to blame women or make them the scapegoats; rather we have to learn how to protect ourselves and our hearts. Women are capable of being the most ruthless emotional terminators, and they terminate men like we were a scourge out to destroy them.

We have to make ourselves stronger, by improving our self esteem and learning how to be more comfortable on our own. Develop hobbies and interests like sports and weightlifting, and try to develop good strong friendships. If you try to fight women by out-manipulating them or out-maneuvering them emotionally you will lose every single time.

If we try to be assertive and protective, eventually we’ll be accused of being controlling and jealous. If we try to be less attached, well.. that will work on women who are lower quality (low self esteem) or that we’re not into, but it won’t work on women who we really want and who are young and attractive.

Do what you can to improve your confidence, assetiveness, and self esteem, and never rely on a woman to make you happy. Women are already very comfortable at being alone since they have no problem at all attracting fwb’s.. accept that women are becoming more independent and try to get what happiness you can out of this bad situation that’s gradually developing in favour of women.. I have read that men in Japan have already stopped even trying to date I think men in other western countries aren’t too far away from that.

 

[Ranger]

Looking good music_czar. It’s the only way. We have to take back our birthright. It’s ours. The femcentric initiative and socialist have no right to it. We are not evil and our testosterone isn’t poison.
Without us those women would be $hitting on the ground.

 

[Soflobro#3]

Perhaps. But it still didn’t stop it. We are still here.
If they had stopped it...we wouldn’t be here thriving despite its obvious declining.
We were never entitled to breed as men. We had to survive the trials of just hunting and providing shelter.
The world is emerged in civilization and the biology remains the same. Hell of a thing.

So let's just abolish the concept of consent. That will take all of womens sexual power away without affecting biological traits.

 

[Ranger]

So let's just abolish the concept of consent. That will take all of womens sexual power away without affecting biological traits.

Well it could but they want consent laws to undo their regrets. They only want to breed with a few men. They few that get this stuff at the deepest levels. Sometimes really mean bast@rds and criminals.

 

[Soflobro#3]

I agree with you. I’ve read some of the rationale male and to me it’s very female-like. Which is a good thing: because he’s trying to show men how to use psychology to date more like women.

Problem is, try being logical and cool when you really like a girl and she’s doing all the things we know women do to make us jealous, angry, upset, or downright feeling ignored or outraged.

Men are too emotional, I think we crave having a good woman much more than women crave having a good man. Even if children are involved women are much more able to simply walk away than men are. We crave simple things: good food, good sex, and loyalty. We don’t care about things like status, money, or job titles, or what kinds of cars our women drive or the professions they have. We’re generally simple, crave simple pleasures, and you’ll never hear a guy complain about how he never goes anywhere good with his girlfriend any more.

Women talk about how communication is key and maybe at first but I find from experience women will just use your weaknesses and vulnerabilities against you. I find women just aren’t as accepting of men as men are of women.

I think rollo recognizes this, which is why he encourages us to be more emotionally detached. A woman, especially a woman with past issues of abuse or bad relationships, is exceptionally good at making her man suffer and detaching from him. Very few men have this same capability, which explains why so many more divorces are initiated by women than the other way around.

Men are more accepting because women have all the power in dating.

 

[Ranger]

Men are more accepting because women have all the power in dating.

Do they? Where did you learn that? Don’t get me wrong, I use to see that reality too.
Where does that programming come from? Think about it.

 

[Soflobro#3]

Do they? Where did you learn that? Don’t get me wrong, I use to see that reality too.
Where does that programming come from? Think about it.

In general they do. It can vary between individuals. But for the most part that's how it works and it's because beta males enable these women.

It's litterally just comnon sense. The one who cares the least has the power women as a whole always have more options than men as a whole, and as a result men or more desperate and willing to make compromises. This is very basic concepts.

 

[Ranger]

In general they do. It can vary between individuals. But for the most part that's how it works and it's because beta males enable these women.

Is the right word enable? Do they know any better? Enable assumes we are going along with drunk driving or something.
The solution is still not about the women. There is not one thing we can do about them in the sphere of this western civilization at this point in time.
Wouldn’t it be easier to leed the horse to water than to drag it to water?
A woman posts a bathroom selfie and men jump all over that like a pack of starved dogs. But she knows she doesn’t want them. She wants the one who doesn’t give a crap about her.