In Awe at How Fast High Interest Can Turn to Low.

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Occam's Razor.

Facts: she can tank a dating situation for any or no reason.

Try again
That's YOUR ego preserving Occam's razor. Cognitive dissonance much?

not to mention that all of this manosphere stuff is not rooted in any real scientific basis/fact. None of this was executed in a controlled setting. It's all Theory which could be complete BS because it's never been scientifically treated. It's highly erroneous to apply scientific terms such as Occam's razor to blatant Theory.

But again, cognitive dissonance
 
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OP, she is spinning c0cks and you were another c0ck on the carousel that didn't quite make her cut. This girl is a h0e and be grateful she is out of your life. Don't look back.
Hos do alot of damage huh? Especially when you try to get close?
 

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That's YOUR ego preserving Occam's razor. Cognitive dissonance much?

not to mention that all of this manosphere stuff is not rooted in any real scientific basis/fact. None of this was executed in a controlled setting. It's all Theory which could be complete BS because it's never been scientifically treated. It's highly erroneous to apply scientific terms such as Occam's razor to blatant Theory.

But again, cognitive dissonance

of course, we would have to lock you in a lab and test you like a mouse otherwise it will never be controlled setting. but its true anyway
 

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Advice from the old lady:

My two cents on the OP's situation, FWIW is this: The girl noted she's a virgin and wants to stay that way until she's married. That is a value statement. The way this plays out in the field is that the girl did a Monday morning quarterbacking of the date afterwards, decided that the OP was too pushy for sex, and therefore not respectful of her choice to retain her virginity, even though she got turned on, even though she had fun etc. etc.

She doesn't want to risk losing her virginity, especially not with someone who she doesn't think is going to take her seriously, and someone who isn't willing to date her, invest in her, and get to know her before expecting sex.

THAT is what I think is going on here, plain and simple. She's not going to give him another date for all those reasons, including the possibility that he could talk her into sex in the moment, which she knows she will regret after the fact.

She has a conflict internally in that she is curious about sex, but also understands the conflict casual sex creates in the context of her value system. And this is the result you get. She's got enough self worth to dismiss OP rather than risk compromising her values. Will she eventually lose her virginity before marriage? Maybe so. But it is unlikely to be with someone so casual or so quick. Good for her.

This is an instructive example for the guys here, especially the young guys. You guys say you want women with good values. Here is just such a girl. And then rather than listen and pay attention to her value system, you push ahead for sex anyway, being extremely tone deaf to what she has expressed. Then you are surprised when she goes cold. There is no surprise there whatsoever. You've pushed too hard with a "good girl" and she sees you as looking to pump & dump. She's heard about guys like you (Pump & dumps) and she avoids that like the plague.

You can certainly ask her out again. My money says she'll ignore you altogether of she'll refuse outright.

You need to learn better calibration from this experience. You pushed too hard for sex and she found that inappropriate and off putting when she examined the situation after the fact. It's nuance and it's indeed a tightrope. But you start by listening to find out what are her values...what is important to her. And then you behave in a way that honors her values but surfs the edge enough to stoke her desire.
 

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One time I was eating a burrito. With every bite I thought to myself, "Damn, this is the best burrito ever! I'm so lucky to have such a wonderful thing to eat!" I kept thinking that every time I took a bite.

Then I found a bit ****roach that was still kind of wriggling around inside the burrito.

I've never lost interest in anything so quickly.
 

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not to mention that all of this manosphere stuff is not rooted in any real scientific basis/fact. None of this was executed in a controlled setting. It's all Theory which could be complete BS because it's never been scientifically treated. It's highly erroneous to apply scientific terms such as Occam's razor to blatant Theory.
It's backed up by too many men from all over the world who have shared stories so similar that it's actually scary. You could go a different angle though and just say we are all psychic because we can predict what's going to happen with a woman and/or relationship a long time before it actually happens.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

My two cents on the OP's situation, FWIW is this: The girl noted she's a virgin and wants to stay that way until she's married. That is a value statement. The way this plays out in the field is that the girl did a Monday morning quarterbacking of the date afterwards, decided that the OP was too pushy for sex, and therefore not respectful of her choice to retain her virginity, even though she got turned on, even though she had fun etc. etc.

She doesn't want to risk losing her virginity, especially not with someone who she doesn't think is going to take her seriously, and someone who isn't willing to date her, invest in her, and get to know her before expecting sex.

THAT is what I think is going on here, plain and simple. She's not going to give him another date for all those reasons, including the possibility that he could talk her into sex in the moment, which she knows she will regret after the fact.

She has a conflict internally in that she is curious about sex, but also understands the conflict casual sex creates in the context of her value system. And this is the result you get. She's got enough self worth to dismiss OP rather than risk compromising her values. Will she eventually lose her virginity before marriage? Maybe so. But it is unlikely to be with someone so casual or so quick. Good for her.

This is an instructive example for the guys here, especially the young guys. You guys say you want women with good values. Here is just such a girl. And then rather than listen and pay attention to her value system, you push ahead for sex anyway, being extremely tone deaf to what she has expressed. Then you are surprised when she goes cold. There is no surprise there whatsoever. You've pushed too hard with a "good girl" and she sees you as looking to pump & dump. She's heard about guys like you (Pump & dumps) and she avoids that like the plague.

You can certainly ask her out again. My money says she'll ignore you altogether of she'll refuse outright.

You need to learn better calibration from this experience. You pushed too hard for sex and she found that inappropriate and off putting when she examined the situation after the fact. It's nuance and it's indeed a tightrope. But you start by listening to find out what are her values...what is important to her. And then you behave in a way that honors her values but surfs the edge enough to stoke her desire.
Respectfully disagree. She never told me that she's a virgin directly, I heard that elsewhere, in fact she told me directly that she wanted me to compliment her on her ass, which I didn't right away, which got her antsy. Having said that, I was never focused on taking her virginity, just wanted to have fun and see how this experience would have changed with her from last year's when I would've been super nervous and would have dedicated a lot of time thinking about these things and making them better. That went nowhere compared to this and I was extremelly disrespected but I disregarded that to basically see a comparison. See my growth with 1 person who has witnessed my AFCness first hand. It definitely changed for the better. Never wanted anything out of it. There's a difference between a girl having values and one being young and confused about what one wants and I understand that and am fine with it. Simple as THAT. End of story.
 

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When I first started lurking SS years ago my favorite poster was Anti - Dump because he focused on the mysteries of a woman's interest level..and let me tell you what it is a fvckin mystery.I have been doing OLD for over 2 decades now on and off and in all that time I have had only 4 women show EXTREMELY high interest level for what appeared to be no reason at all.All of them were hot All of them I fvcked the first meeting usually in about 10 minutes,ALL of them I perma- plated.I have fvcked 250 plus women in my life but only 4 have shown extra terrestrial out of this world interest and when you experience it you know what the fvck I am talking about...I think this is where the legend of "love at first sight comes from "
 

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When I first started lurking SS years ago my favorite poster was Anti - Dump because he focused on the mysteries of a woman's interest level..and let me tell you what it is a fvckin mystery.I have been doing OLD for over 2 decades now on and off and in all that time I have had only 4 women show EXTREMELY high interest level for what appeared to be no reason at all.All of them were hot All of them I fvcked the first meeting usually in about 10 minutes,ALL of them I perma- plated.I have fvcked 250 plus women in my life but only 4 have shown extra terrestrial out of this world interest and when you experience it you know what the fvck I am talking about...I think this is where the legend of "love at first sight comes from "
Talk about it! I'm guessing you could FEEL it and you knew she could too.
 

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@Red Legg out of the 4 x women who showed extra terrestrial interest, when were they, approximately? Where I am going with this is looking at if the dating market is getting tougher with time. A woman may show high IL if you are one of five options for her but if you are one of 20 with all other factor the exact same, maybe not?
 

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@Red Legg out of the 4 x women who showed extra terrestrial interest, when were they, approximately? Where I am going with this is looking at if the dating market is getting tougher with time. A woman may show high IL if you are one of five options for her but if you are one of 20 with all other factor the exact same, maybe not?
They have all been spread out.One was in the late 90s,2010,2014,and 2016 (still in an LTR with this one) Now what you MUST understand about women is they can show a fake interest level,like show very high interest then ghost after a while.A woman with extra- terrestrial high interest level the interest level NEVER dies.You could kill 10 people in cold blood and her interest level will not drop.You will know it when and IF it happens to you.
 

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So may be this was previously covered but a couple of things:

1. What exactly was said/done to push her buttons or to tease her? It's important because little bit of teasing for her shouldn't overshadow everything else. In fact, it's healthy to be playful and if she can't handle it you're not going to be compatible anyway. I joke and tease, it's my personality but within reason and not right off the bat either. It's just to break the monotony or if the conversation starts to dull etc. As an example, I was on a first date with a woman and after about 2hrs of talking etc she really started to talk about her dad who she has beef with etc so I said 'it's good that you're up front about your daddy issues...I'll do my best to navigate around them' *wink* she said 'hey, I don't have daddy issues, I was just saying blah blah but may be that's a conversation for like date #7 or something'. Another time, it was a second date, she asked me how old I was, I replied and even though I knew how old she was I asked her. She was a yr older than me so as soon as she mentioned her age I said 'Ah, so does that make you a cougar? hahaha' she laughed and said 'no, I'd have to be at least 7yrs or so older to be a cougar', I replied 'that's too bad, I have a fetish for cougars'. So a little bit of fun/teasing shouldn't be a huge issue and if it is, steer clear.

2. Women do in fact go hot/cold all the time, it's all about how they feel at *that* moment. It is what it is, I wouldn't take it personally.
 

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In my experience this is due to her having higher interest in another man rather than her having low interest in you.

After the date she will compare the "magic" of your kiss to the other guy's.

Nowadays I don't bother making out unless I'm in a location where I can have sex with her that night.
 
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