Why does every thread now devolve into "manosphere" BS?

[corrector]

You may be right. What is missing almost entirely now are the boot camp efforts that used to fill these forums.

The last update on the DJ Bootcamp was 12 years ago.

No, more like 8 - 10 years ago. I did try some bootcamps but didn't progress much beyond eye-contact and it was a b1tch to work up the nerve to walk up to a girl to say hi to her, or some opener.

If you actually read the stages the boot camp takes a guy through, it all starts with eye contact and casual conversation, which is sometimes a much more complicated process now than it used to be, most especially for younger guys. Everyone has their eyes on their smartphone. Eye contact is more rare and unusual. Starting causal convo often comes down to either passing entirely or breaking thier concentration and suddenly forcing them to have a conversation with a stranger, like a sneak attack of some kind.

Some people report a positive energy when they start doing that. However, this is good feedback. In the back of my mind, I thought I was slacking off these previous bootcamp ideals. Now I see I'm not the only one on here that slacked off. It always felt like a waste of time. You are telling me that eye-contact is more rare and unusual? I don't see much a difference in the past decade, but now I feel less bad about that if even if the best of us on here is getting the same feedback about eye contact.

And this is all on top of so many people who don't make eye contact anyway, even when they aren't absorbed by a smartphone.

I cant even recall anyone here in recent memory even suggesting the boot camp, let alone the 2 or 3 links you have to follow through to get to the little link that actually brings people to it.

http://www.djbible.classicalgasemissions.com/djbc.pdf

Maybe a few guys should get together and put together a new style of bootcamp…..

It won't be the same. As you said it's a digital age and everyone has a smart phone, social media connection, etc.... You sort of have to re-invent yourself digitally and start having digital bootcamps? Cold-approaching is gone the way of the dinosaur. You display very low SMV if you have to cold approach if everything is gone digital. I'm not sure you can get away with not having a social media or online presence like before. Most eye-contact attempts have people looking away very quickly like you are invading their privacy.

 

[Von]

You may be right. What is missing almost entirely now are the boot camp efforts that used to fill these forums.

The last update on the DJ Bootcamp was 12 years ago. If you actually read the stages the boot camp takes a guy through, it all starts with eye contact and casual conversation, which is sometimes a much more complicated process now than it used to be, most especially for younger guys. Everyone has their eyes on their smartphone. Eye contact is more rare and unusual. Starting causal convo often comes down to either passing entirely or breaking thier concentration and suddenly forcing them to have a conversation with a stranger, like a sneak attack of some kind.

And this is all on top of so many people who don't make eye contact anyway, even when they aren't absorbed by a smartphone.

I cant even recall anyone here in recent memory even suggesting the boot camp, let alone the 2 or 3 links you have to follow through to get to the little link that actually brings people to it.

http://www.djbible.classicalgasemissions.com/djbc.pdf

Maybe a few guys should get together and put together a new style of bootcamp…..

The market is crashing and feel scarce... people are obsessed with ''making it'' ... ''having a girl'' ... So they feel they must do it ''alone and have 100%'' cause they can't share with anyone the spoils of the hunt... since their is soo few.

This market allusion and your comment makes me reflect on my own ''business/career'' situation.... I work in Wealth Management, joined my parents who started 30 years ago... Man when you hear how it was ''back than, 1990 to 2000, the business atmosphere, the clients''.... ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD. Mom signed 1 200 clients in 4 years... that's 300 A YEAR!...

In the 1989, beginning 1990's.. Mutual funds, ETF etc... were like 100 billions assets... It was worth 1 trillions by 2001. The market exploded, it was a growth market.... why? Democratisation of finance.... now every day joe could invest... the ''old people'' had their house paid and sold or enough income to invest. Also the demographic age was in their favor).

Commissions/Income for finance people where up the roof.... You could make 1 millions $ a year with few sells and increase of assets managements. Ex: You had 50% commission on each 1$ in investments.

People were primed, boosting, doing training camps, working as a team... seminar room were pack every night, stand in commercial small had waiting line.

Now in 2010's (2018).... Seminar room are barely filled and people avoid you, Administrative work is longer than a meeting with clients, Commission dissapearing (if you find some... its around 0,75% of 1$ in investments).... advisors all want to do SOLO work cause they fear ''team will cut their pay''.... Training/Formation is longer than your week load of work. Now if you sign up 20 clients per year, you made it big!!

What changed ? The business was always hard... the top 20% always do the 80% of income and jobs.... but the market changed... it became Matured/Decreasing.... Money has never been more flowing ''or big'' but the competition increased, the commission decreased, clients have been ''Seized''... Now clients acquisition are 80% done by beating a competitor... in the 1990's 80% of clients were new/never had accounts.

The ''team mentality and confidence boost'' are gone... because people are scared for their ''income''... Succesful people are always ready... unsuccesful people are always garded....

Yet... when things are going bad... you need more than ever TEAM, Friendly, Supportive Mangement, Training, Bootcamps, Experience and practice etc...

In short, when things go bad or decline... so does the ''support around it''... when things go up... everybody up and ready to support each other.

Add that almost 50% of dating is OLD... that's quite lonely

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

What happened to the days where this was a site where guys gave out great dating and pickup advice?

Every thread i look in ends up turning into debates about "well studies have shown women are hypergamous" or "women's smv blah blah blah"

Like seriously thats not actually what this site is for.

This is not a MGTOW forum

This is not an all-night forum

This is sosuave, suave Mother****er don't spend all day whining about this ****.

Maybe we need a sub forum where those guys can go.

I think Rollo set that off lol

I am not sure if you had access to the old mystery method forum.

Personally, I've seen nothing but mostly low testosterone and cucky threads online. Its the one gem thread.

The net is a circle jerk cesspool of victimhood. Nothing new.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I think Rollo set that off lol

I am not sure if you had access to the old mystery method forum.

Personally, I've seen nothing but mostly low testosterone and cucky threads online. Its the one gem thread.

The net is a circle jerk cesspool of victimhood. Nothing new.

All the complaining about and talking about women.

 

[corrector]

My point was that even if you don't struggle with it, the opportunities seems to be on the decline these days. I used to always get something going on the subways in the city when using them on a Saturday night to get around. Now I notice women boarding, sitting down, getting up and getting off without missing 2 seconds of focus on their phone the whole time.



It still works and it's still great when it can be applied. I don't see it ever becoming a dated thing. But now it's not just about working on one's own self confidence and social awkwardness. Now it is also about the habits strangers themselves have taken on that further gets in the way of men attempting to confront and tackling these problems within.

It's one thing for a socially awkward guy to approach and converse with someone who IS paying attention. Now you have the same guys trying to operate with a society that ISNT paying attention. I mean, damn, half the people out there are the types who operate 4000 lb. vehicles and don't realize they've been sitting at a green light for 30 seconds.



That's normal. It's been that way even before smartphones came along. Now you have this additional detractor on top of that, which by itself often can contribute to social awkwardness to an extent.

This had led to less guilt on my part since it appears I'm also following that trend. Except I would just turn on an interesting youtube video or watch something on Netflix. Maybe even rent a new release movie and forget about all of the women around. I mean if you don't have the opportunity anymore and everyone's on social media then why bother right? Maybe there is a great TV-show /movie to stream while in public and you are stuck in a line or have to stay at a place for an extended time.

I'm not saying this is the precise problem or that I have a precise answer. My point is just that the forum seems to missing a lot of guys out there taking action to deal with the root problems they struggle with, dealing with these issues and having the guys here help them through the process of it.

Now it's mostly, "I have this problem with this one girl, what do I do".

Oneitis? How has that concept evolved. It's now accepted now rather than the useless advice of FTOW.

SS used to be more of a restaurant where people would come in, sit down and spend the time eating a meal. Now it's like a McDonald's drive-thru.

The only way now to make the effort to teach new guys a new mindset when you don't really have enough men taking action and keeping updates to focus on, is to talk about things like hypergamy, the effects of feminism and similar topics.

That's interesting. It sounds like this is syncing with phases of my own life. When I was the young virgin poster on here it was how the board was like before. However, I never got married or burned by any woman to an extent. Now that I got married and a divorce, it's like the whole board morphed, as you say, to reflect all the negative aspects of this experience and away with the naive youthful ambitions of finding the right woman in the first place. I wonder if my own personal life is setting trends like the butterfly effect.

 

[marmel75]

The market is crashing and feel scarce... people are obsessed with ''making it'' ... ''having a girl'' ... So they feel they must do it ''alone and have 100%'' cause they can't share with anyone the spoils of the hunt... since their is soo few.

This market allusion and your comment makes me reflect on my own ''business/career'' situation.... I work in Wealth Management, joined my parents who started 30 years ago... Man when you hear how it was ''back than, 1990 to 2000, the business atmosphere, the clients''.... ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD. Mom signed 1 200 clients in 4 years... that's 300 A YEAR!...

In the 1989, beginning 1990's.. Mutual funds, ETF etc... were like 100 billions assets... It was worth 1 trillions by 2001. The market exploded, it was a growth market.... why? Democratisation of finance.... now every day joe could invest... the ''old people'' had their house paid and sold or enough income to invest. Also the demographic age was in their favor).

Commissions/Income for finance people where up the roof.... You could make 1 millions $ a year with few sells and increase of assets managements. Ex: You had 50% commission on each 1$ in investments.

People were primed, boosting, doing training camps, working as a team... seminar room were pack every night, stand in commercial small had waiting line.

Now in 2010's (2018).... Seminar room are barely filled and people avoid you, Administrative work is longer than a meeting with clients, Commission dissapearing (if you find some... its around 0,75% of 1$ in investments).... advisors all want to do SOLO work cause they fear ''team will cut their pay''.... Training/Formation is longer than your week load of work. Now if you sign up 20 clients per year, you made it big!!

What changed ? The business was always hard... the top 20% always do the 80% of income and jobs.... but the market changed... it became Matured/Decreasing.... Money has never been more flowing ''or big'' but the competition increased, the commission decreased, clients have been ''Seized''... Now clients acquisition are 80% done by beating a competitor... in the 1990's 80% of clients were new/never had accounts.

The ''team mentality and confidence boost'' are gone... because people are scared for their ''income''... Succesful people are always ready... unsuccesful people are always garded....

Yet... when things are going bad... you need more than ever TEAM, Friendly, Supportive Mangement, Training, Bootcamps, Experience and practice etc...

In short, when things go bad or decline... so does the ''support around it''... when things go up... everybody up and ready to support each other.

Add that almost 50% of dating is OLD... that's quite lonely

Also it's so easy now to do it yourself. They have computer algorithms that automatically balance your 401K that has made me 3 or 4K in extra money from what I would have made by making adjustments to allocations on a biweekly basis. As the money grows these adjustments become a bigger and bigger chunk.

I invest in REITS(commercial real estate) through fundrise.com and in an IRA through WiseBanyan. All of these are managed funds and its so easy to do this on your own you dont need to hire someone.

The internet has killed wealth management in the same way it has killed big box retailers and malls.

I'm on track to retire early with $2.5-3 million by the time I am 60 following just what i am investing monthly now(which will increase as i make more money since it will be getting dumped into these and after I'm done with the mortgage in 15 years) and this is with average 8% returns...most of the things i am investing in have been providing long term returns of 10-12% so if this continues it will be even more and even quicker.

 

[Von]

Also it's so easy now to do it yourself. They have computer algorithms that automatically balance your 401K that has made me 3 or 4K in extra money from what I would have made by making adjustments to allocations on a biweekly basis. As the money grows these adjustments become a bigger and bigger chunk.

I invest in REITS(commercial real estate) through fundrise.com and in an IRA through WiseBanyan. All of these are managed funds and its so easy to do this on your own you dont need to hire someone.

The internet has killed wealth management in the same way it has killed big box retailers and malls.

I'm on track to retire early with $2.5-3 million by the time I am 60 following just what i am investing monthly now(which will increase as i make more money since it will be getting dumped into these and after I'm done with the mortgage in 15 years) and this is with average 8% returns...most of the things i am investing in have been providing long term returns of 10-12% so if this continues it will be even more and even quicker.

We will see at the next market crash

Remains I am happy for you and keep it up, you are a rare breed.

Self-Management is actually 10% of the market... so yeah... the ''do-it yourself'' took around 10% share.

Still Self-Management account are usually 3 types: 1) Poor and Young, 2) Know it all - Passionnate, 3) Expert-Finance Industry.

People with assets and where numbers start putting their brain in overload and those with fiscal strategie required... usually go for advice, and they are 80% of our clients.

I work in the field, so I handle it myself..... did 300% in the stock market over 3 years, 11% in mutual fund. Glad of it... but my assets were too small to make a ''WOW'' lol. Still young, got some stuff to pay .

Those computer algorithm I know... they have the same in the automatic relocation assets.. that just keep your ''investor profile'' in check.

You should aim to have a return between 7% and 11%... 7% your capital doubles every 10 years, 11% its every 6 years. Between 7% and 11%, you are well diversified and above index returns.

REIT are quite boombing. We have a REIT fund... even in 2008, it went up... our REIT fund went up 30 years straight lol... its in 2009 that it bunk 9%... which was the returns it gave in 2009 lol.

You have the right mind about the mortgage... after it's cleared, invest the ''mortgage payment''.... Also, if you add a little 50$ per payment you could save a few more years on it

Personnally, I am aiming at a 12% annual returns before tax

 

[marmel75]

We will see at the next market crash

Remains I am happy for you and keep it up, you are a rare breed.

Self-Management is actually 10% of the market... so yeah... the ''do-it yourself'' took around 10% share.

Still Self-Management account are usually 3 types: 1) Poor and Young, 2) Know it all - Passionnate, 3) Expert-Finance Industry.

People with assets and where numbers start putting their brain in overload and those with fiscal strategie required... usually go for advice, and they are 80% of our clients.

I work in the field, so I handle it myself..... did 300% in the stock market over 3 years, 11% in mutual fund. Glad of it... but my assets were too small to make a ''WOW'' lol. Still young, got some stuff to pay .

Those computer algorithm I know... they have the same in the automatic relocation assets.. that just keep your ''investor profile'' in check.

You should aim to have a return between 7% and 11%... 7% your capital doubles every 10 years, 11% its every 6 years. Between 7% and 11%, you are well diversified and above index returns.

REIT are quite boombing. We have a REIT fund... even in 2008, it went up... our REIT fund went up 30 years straight lol... its in 2009 that it bunk 9%... which was the returns it gave in 2009 lol.

You have the right mind about the mortgage... after it's cleared, invest the ''mortgage payment''.... Also, if you add a little 50$ per payment you could save a few more years on it

Personnally, I am aiming at a 12% annual returns before tax

I'm dying for the market to crash cause I will start putting as much money as possible into it to buy more shares at a lower price...they will go back up again, they always do...crashes are where fortunes are made...

 

[zekko]

I'm dying for the market to crash cause I will start putting as much money as possible into it to buy more shares at a lower price...they will go back up again, they always do...crashes are where fortunes are made...

I bought heavily during the last crash for the same reason. Then it crashed some more lol. But then it went back up, and then it went higher than it's ever been.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I feel like you just recently started getting some more experience yourself, and now you’re making all these ‘quit whining’-esque threads because of it. Don’t frown upon those who were/are less fortunate than yourself. They have different life curcumstances than you.

You seem to have forgotten where you came from Inferno.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

And yet, the guys on the internet look at the guys in the "real world" as being a bunch of uninformed sheep AFCs.

Unthinking mainstream ignorance. But perhaps the reaction to this is obsession. It's hard not to see that most guys here are obsessed with the topic. The ideal would have to be somewhere in the middle, where one was unblinkered, and then just went about his business.

Actually, one way or the other, whether mainstream of fringe [red or blue] most men are obsessed with women. The challenge has to be to eradicate this obsession. But this can not be simply MGTOW [lifestyle]… for that would just be a reverse obsession.

At the end of the day, what seems to be required is a balancing of all the spheres of existence. The Ptolemaic model of the universe comes to mind, where all the spheres move in harmony to the others [where did my purple smiley go?]

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

In the 1989, beginning 1990's.. Mutual funds, ETF etc... were like 100 billions assets... It was worth 1 trillions by 2001. The market exploded, it was a growth market.... why? Democratisation of finance.... now every day joe could invest... the ''old people'' had their house paid and sold or enough income to invest. Also the demographic age was in their favor).

Commissions/Income for finance people where up the roof.... You could make 1 millions $ a year with few sells and increase of assets managements. Ex: You had 50% commission on each 1$ in investments.

People were primed, boosting, doing training camps, working as a team... seminar room were pack every night, stand in commercial small had waiting line.

Now in 2010's (2018).... Seminar room are barely filled and people avoid you, Administrative work is longer than a meeting with clients, Commission dissapearing (if you find some... its around 0,75% of 1$ in investments).... advisors all want to do SOLO work cause they fear ''team will cut their pay''.... Training/Formation is longer than your week load of work. Now if you sign up 20 clients per year, you made it big!!

What changed ? The business was always hard... the top 20% always do the 80% of income and jobs.... but the market changed... it became Matured/Decreasing.... Money has never been more flowing ''or big'' but the competition increased, the commission decreased, clients have been ''Seized''... Now clients acquisition are 80% done by beating a competitor... in the 1990's 80% of clients were new/never had accounts.

The ''team mentality and confidence boost'' are gone... because people are scared for their ''income''... Succesful people are always ready... unsuccesful people are always garded....

Yet... when things are going bad... you need more than ever TEAM, Friendly, Supportive Mangement, Training, Bootcamps, Experience and practice etc...

In short, when things go bad or decline... so does the ''support around it''... when things go up... everybody up and ready to support each other.

Add that almost 50% of dating is OLD... that's quite lonely

Boom!.... and bust. This boom is what caused the bust today [or the coming one]. And behind it all was [and still is] credit/ debt money being pumped out by the banks. Once you see the unregulated nature of the current monetary system all else falls into place.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I bought heavily during the last crash for the same reason. Then it crashed some more lol. But then it went back up, and then it went higher than it's ever been.

In deflation real assets and liquidity [in the strongest currencies] is the way to go. The thing is, we've never seen one [though Japan has]. The economists thought that deflation was a thing of the past.

 

[TheGambino]

I dont even know what hypergame, monogame, mtow is a Pokémon? Like for real. Quit the nonsense, work out Dress well and actually talk and flirt with women and report back !!

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

You may be right. What is missing almost entirely now are the boot camp efforts that used to fill these forums.

The last update on the DJ Bootcamp was 12 years ago. If you actually read the stages the boot camp takes a guy through, it all starts with eye contact and casual conversation, which is sometimes a much more complicated process now than it used to be, most especially for younger guys. Everyone has their eyes on their smartphone. Eye contact is more rare and unusual. Starting causal convo often comes down to either passing entirely or breaking thier concentration and suddenly forcing them to have a conversation with a stranger, like a sneak attack of some kind.

And this is all on top of so many people who don't make eye contact anyway, even when they aren't absorbed by a smartphone.

I cant even recall anyone here in recent memory even suggesting the boot camp, let alone the 2 or 3 links you have to follow through to get to the little link that actually brings people to it.

http://www.djbible.classicalgasemissions.com/djbc.pdf

Maybe a few guys should get together and put together a new style of bootcamp…..

Changed dynamics nowadays. I saw a clip from a Joe Rogan podcast, where he was a driver for a detective as a kid (because somehow the detective got his license suspended lol). They would basically catch people for insurance fraud, and the way they did it back then was absolutely ridiculous. He gave an example that there was this one airline stewardess that was getting paid leave because of injury or something. Then she also went to work for a different airliner as well, so she was making double. They knew the name of the ‘injury’ the woman supposedly had, and they knew her license plate and address. They went to her home, wrote down 3 license plate numbers, one of which was number to small, one was hers, and one was too large. They knocked on the door and said that they’ve been going to each of the locations with addresses tied to those license plate numbers, but that they weren’t sure which one of them it was because the ends got scratched off, so that they know it’s one of those license plates but not sure which one (total bull**** lie). Then they would say that the reason for them being doing that was because of an injury they had that was caused by some car accident, and the injury would be the same exact one that the woman’s ‘injury’ was, and that Joe was just his driver because he couldn’t drive due to the injury.

She would say “omg you know what I had the same exact injury at work” and then she invited them into her house for some coffee. They would keep the act up until and shift the topic to work and she said how she was getting paid leave for it until she recovers but that she was also working on the side under a different name to make extra money. Boom, evidence for insurance fraud.

She just let in 2 completely random men into her home. Tell me if you can do that nowadays. I mean ****, if someone knocks on your door now, your kids crawl on the ground so that the person outside can’t see you through them through the window lol. Oh how life has changed.

 

[Spaz]

I dont even know what hypergame, monogame, mtow is a Pokémon? Like for real. Quit the nonsense, work out Dress well and actually talk and flirt with women and report back !!

Intermixed some truths into an ideology but working towards the end result = mass delusions and hate towards women.

Must be some faggot conspiracy to make the more compliant men turn towards faggotry as an alternative after everything else fails.

Relax guys, just a parody.

 

[resilient]

The bootcamp and DJ bible helped me unplug from all my blue pill thinking in my early 20s. It took me getting married and divorced seven years later (now in my mid-30s) to understand modern concepts of the red pill.

In the last few years back on the dating scene, I've struggled to strike a balance with dating while working on my career. It took me the last year or so to finally realize women should be much lower on the priority list. When they are in priority #1 spot, women lose attraction fast. When she realizes I have no other options or that my options are weak or fickle she loses attraction and will gravitate toward an orbiter she deems has higher SMV.

I wish who I was as a person, my ideals/values held enough water or clout or that which I envision my life going in the next 2-5-10 years held respect and courage in her eyes. One of the phrases that stuck with me from this forum was when I read once "you don't build the relationship, you buy it". Meaning, that she'll accept the value of SMV presented up front and not the SMV work in progress.

The hardest part I've been working on is internalizing my standards and self-respect via IDGAF. I've tried to spin plates as much as possible, yet have struggled to keep them up in the air, so I'm starting to get better at investing less than she does.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Very common for some reason

It’s easy to say how things aren’t as bad as they are when you yourself aren’t in one. Likewise, it’s also easy to say things are worse than they really are when life isn’t going your way either. In the case of Inferno, before he would talk about how women can be crazy and that people who’ve never dealt with true BPDs don’t know how bad it is. But then he went to college where his specific school is a partying ****fest where it’s easy af to get laid with half-decent social skills, and now he’s saying for all of us to quit whining. It’s important to take note of these things to keep a more objective stance.