Why does every thread now devolve into "manosphere" BS?

[Infern0]

What happened to the days where this was a site where guys gave out great dating and pickup advice?

Every thread i look in ends up turning into debates about "well studies have shown women are hypergamous" or "women's smv blah blah blah"

Like seriously thats not actually what this site is for.

This is not a MGTOW forum

This is not an all-night forum

This is sosuave, suave Mother****er don't spend all day whining about this ****.

Maybe we need a sub forum where those guys can go.

 

[zekko]

This is not a MGTOW forum

It's a forum for whatever people end up talking about, the site evolves. It was originally a dating site, but guys here are fond of saying that this isn't a site about pickup, and that it's for self improvement. MGTOW is currently a part of the manosphere, so it's natural that it gets discussed. I agree there's too much negativity, but that's always been the case as far as I can remember.

Rollo was probably the biggest pusher for discussing hypergamy, and he's one of the most respected members since he wrote The Rationale Male.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It's important to back up conversation up with theory and vice versa. We can tell a guy how to behave with a woman in a certain situation, but without rationale, he's just training to be a performing monkey. Likewise, MGTOW is an ideology based upon limited, largely negative experience of embittered AFCs, who like to hypothesise and moan about their misfortune because it's easier than setting about improving and going back out to the field.

The variety of the content is actually hugely beneficial to all members.

 

[ohrein]

Hypergamy is the central pillar in which all other aspects of dating are built upon. Of course it's going to come up a lot. Not discussing it would be like trying to do math without numbers. I see plenty of good advice on the threads that warrant it. What exactly do you wish was discussed more?

 

[devilkingx2]

it's because most of the guys on here are either newbies with basic and simple questions or experienced master DJs that have everything and need nothing(aside from your ocassional trolls and incels), so all that's left to talk about is debating philsophy/theory and answering questions from people who didn't read the DJ bible lol.

 

[jacketrunner]

Hypergamy is the central pillar in which all other aspects of dating are built upon. Of course it's going to come up a lot. Not discussing it would be like trying to do math without numbers. I see plenty of good advice on the threads that warrant it. What exactly do you wish was discussed more?

Is hypergamy female specific? If I had a subpar looking girlfriend, I could definitely see myself branch swinging or cheating.

Also, I have cut needy girls off and ghosted them with literally no guilt, even though it definitely caused them some intense emotional pain.

I think the main difference is that women tend to be far less blunt and more indirect, which means you can’t take anything they say at face value. Men will beat you over the head with what they see as the truth.

My main problem with red pill writing is that it seems so bitter. Even if you get ****ed over by a traitorous ho who saw you as weak, you should still walk that **** off, improve yourself, and get over it.

Plenty of people manage to have successful monogamous relationships.

Corey Wayne is a cheesy guy who’s into bull**** like chiropracty, but I like his style because he manages to sell red pill concepts in sunny, optimistic packaging.

The problem is, most of us who go to these forums are doing so bc something is going wrong. Those who have healthy relationships don’t need to strategize on the internet.

 

[zekko]

Plenty of people manage to have successful monogamous relationships.

That's very true. But to read the manosphere, you would think that they don't exist, and that no one is happy.
The thing is, there is no way to guarantee that you will have a successful monogamous relationship. And the further society falls into its current moral and feminist morass, the more your odds go down on finding one.

The problem is, most of us who go to these forums are doing so bc something is going wrong. Those who have healthy relationships don’t need to strategize on the internet.

And yet, the guys on the internet look at the guys in the "real world" as being a bunch of uninformed sheep AFCs.

 

[jacketrunner]

That's very true. But to read the manosphere, you would think that they don't exist, and that no one is happy.
The thing is, there is no way to guarantee that you will have a successful monogamous relationship. And the further society falls into its current moral and feminist morass, the more your odds go down on finding one.


And yet, the guys on the internet look at the guys in the "real world" as being a bunch of uninformed sheep AFCs.

As long as you care less than your girlfriend, you can have a successful relationship. The person who wants distance has all the power.

When you’re matched with a girl who seems to have higher SMV, it can be pretty stressful bc you will often start to act like the one-down (mate-guarding, being clingy, etc.). When you act like this, the girl will not respect you, see you as detrimental to her freedom, and also make her think that she’s matched with a low quality man.

As long as she’s more worried about you leaving than you are about her leaving, you can pull off a healthy relationship.

My brother, for example, has had a successful relationship with a pretty girl for 6+ years, but she’s worried about him leaving, even though he’s a really good moral guy and is less traditionally “alpha” than me.

I, on the other hand, tend to just **** lots of girls who I see as completely replaceable, but when one comes along that I see is worth commiting to, I can backslide into one-down behaviors.

 

[skinnyguy]

Most of the PUA stuff you were taught was a lie. It really comes down to SMV whether you want to admit it or not. I’ve had some pickup stuff work for me, but not regularly enough for me to use it. Alphas don’t even need pickup

@jacketrunner youre totally right. I also have been ghosting chicks lately. And yes, if you have a normal dating and sex life you would never learn of this site. This site is for guys who have issues

 

[user43770]

Most of the PUA stuff you were taught was a lie. It really comes down to SMV whether you want to admit it or not. I’ve had some pickup stuff work for me, but not regularly enough for me to use it. Alphas don’t even need pickup

@jacketrunner youre totally right. I also have been ghosting chicks lately. And yes, if you have a normal dating and sex life you would never learn of this site. This site is for guys who have issues

I spent my youth on sosuave, developing the right frame of mind and all that. Thank god there were some red-pill guys like KontrollerX and burroughs around then.

I never got into the PUA stuff, but I didn't need to. Your frame of mind is what matters most. You act like your the sh1t, even if you know you aren't. A lot of times, women don't know the difference.

You read enough of the dj bible and you become a don juan, for better or worse.

 

[zekko]

As long as you care less than your girlfriend, you can have a successful relationship. The person who wants distance has all the power.

It's hard to talk about a "successful relationship" without defining what "successful" means. When most people talk about successful monogamous relationships or marriages, they usually mean one that doesn't end in divorce, one that lasts forever, basically. What I am saying is, you can IDGAF or be as alpha as you want, you can never guarantee that a relationship or marriage will last forever.

That said, I don't think a relationship has to last forever to be considered successful. I've been with my girlfriend for 14 years now, and even if it ended tomorrow, I would be hard pressed to say that it hasn't been successful.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It's hard to talk about a "successful relationship" without defining what "successful" means. When most people talk about successful monogamous relationships or marriages, they usually mean one that doesn't end in divorce, one that lasts forever, basically. What I am saying is, you can IDGAF or be as alpha as you want, you can never guarantee that a relationship or marriage will last forever.

That said, I don't think a relationship has to last forever to be considered successful. I've been with my girlfriend for 14 years now, and even if it ended tomorrow, I would be hard pressed to say that it hasn't been successful.

Are you a perfect u compromising Alpha? Or are you able to be soft at times?

 

[jacketrunner]

It's hard to talk about a "successful relationship" without defining what "successful" means. When most people talk about successful monogamous relationships or marriages, they usually mean one that doesn't end in divorce, one that lasts forever, basically. What I am saying is, you can IDGAF or be as alpha as you want, you can never guarantee that a relationship or marriage will last forever.

That said, I don't think a relationship has to last forever to be considered successful. I've been with my girlfriend for 14 years now, and even if it ended tomorrow, I would be hard pressed to say that it hasn't been successful.

Successful in that she’s a chill girl who’s hot and keeps him pretty happy.

 

[zekko]

Are you a perfect u compromising Alpha? Or are you able to be soft at times?

I would say I keep a strong frame. I learned very early on with women that you should never to do something to compromise your self respect, so there's a line there. But I'm not a hard @ss either, I'm a reasonable person, it's not all my way or the highway. I find that as the male, she does lean on me to make most of the decisions, so if there is a question about something I will make it. But I welcome her input, and if she has a good idea (which she often does) I am happy to go along with that.

I don't consider myself an "alpha" though, or a beta either, for that matter. I don't like labels.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I would say I keep a strong frame. I learned very early on with women that you should never to do something to compromise your self respect, so there's a line there. But I'm not a hard @ss either, I'm a reasonable person, it's not all my way or the highway. I find that as the male, she does lean on me to make most of the decisions, so if there is a question about something I will make it. But I welcome her input, and if she has a good idea (which she often does) I am happy to go along with that.

I don't consider myself an "alpha" though, or a beta either, for that matter. I don't like labels.

Your a good fair strong man who doesn't get jerked around.

 

[ohrein]

Is hypergamy female specific? If I had a subpar looking girlfriend, I could definitely see myself branch swinging or cheating.

Yes, it is pluralistic. Men do not have pluralistic dating strategies. We basically just want healthy genes. Women desire healthy genes and then provisions and safety. If they can't get it all from one man they get it from multiple.

My main problem with red pill writing is that it seems so bitter.

The red pill is simply a set of observations, theories and hypotheses. Any emotional response positive or negative is a personal one. There are people who become black pill and hate everything about inter-gender dynamics. This board tries to push a more positive spin that gives men understanding and control over their lives and seeks to dislodge them from social pressures. But there will always be those who view it as something rather than it just being something.

Plenty of people manage to have successful monogamous relationships.

Yes, and those people are usually playing within the rules of hypergamy. There are exceptions to any rule but I've seen very few exceptions to hypergamy.

The problem is, most of us who go to these forums are doing so bc something is going wrong. Those who have healthy relationships don’t need to strategize on the internet.

Yes. I fell into that camp. I was the definition of blue pill in my early twenties. I've been reading, observing and practicing red pill concepts for nearly a decade and in my experience they're pretty solid, as long as you do not fall into the trap of thinking they're binaries. I've been blue pill, the "bad boy" and am now a fairly balanced and happy person.

 

[Spaz]

What happened to the days where this was a site where guys gave out great dating and pickup advice?

Every thread i look in ends up turning into debates about "well studies have shown women are hypergamous" or "women's smv blah blah blah"

Like seriously thats not actually what this site is for.

This is not a MGTOW forum

This is not an all-night forum

This is sosuave, suave Mother****er don't spend all day whining about this ****.

Maybe we need a sub forum where those guys can go.

I do agree with the negativity being spouted in some threads.

More so with the women blaming postings.

Doesn't solve anything nor is it something new that we haven't already heard.

However I do believe that everyone has a right to state what they believe is their version of the truth but they must also be able to defend it when it comes under scrutiny.

I say post to ur hearts content, anything that concerns men is a good topic.

Just be brave enough to take the heat like a man when it's being challenge.

Diversity in ideas is good, people can judge for themselves which would apply in their current situation.

 

[Spaz]

As long as you care less than your girlfriend, you can have a successful relationship. The person who wants distance has all the power.

When you’re matched with a girl who seems to have higher SMV, it can be pretty stressful bc you will often start to act like the one-down (mate-guarding, being clingy, etc.). When you act like this, the girl will not respect you, see you as detrimental to her freedom, and also make her think that she’s matched with a low quality man.

As long as she’s more worried about you leaving than you are about her leaving, you can pull off a healthy relationship.

My brother, for example, has had a successful relationship with a pretty girl for 6+ years, but she’s worried about him leaving, even though he’s a really good moral guy and is less traditionally “alpha” than me.

I, on the other hand, tend to just **** lots of girls who I see as completely replaceable, but when one comes along that I see is worth commiting to, I can backslide into one-down behaviors.

The more women u hv had, the more u will ask what is hypergamy that many men r talking about.

And the more bitter u r the more sense hypergamy seems to fit.

 

[marmel75]

What happened to the days where this was a site where guys gave out great dating and pickup advice?

Every thread i look in ends up turning into debates about "well studies have shown women are hypergamous" or "women's smv blah blah blah"

Like seriously thats not actually what this site is for.

This is not a MGTOW forum

This is not an all-night forum

This is sosuave, suave Mother****er don't spend all day whining about this ****.

Maybe we need a sub forum where those guys can go.

Haha, yeah I've kind of noticed the same thing...too many guys talking from theory and not enough guys talking from actual experience.

 

[Murk]

I feel like it's just me that hasn't seen or felt hypergamy at all, maybe I should count my blessings