Nofap: Why it works

[MrJack]

Also, and let me know if I’m wrong here but I don’t think I am, but there have NEVER been cases of otherwise healthy young people in their 20’s and lower having erectile disfunction until the age of technology.

We have 15 year old porn addicts running around with erectile disfunction who don’t even know they have a problem because we are all raised to think that “everyone does it”...that is just absurd. Why is this all the sudden happening nowadays to a lot of young people? PORN and the crazy high amounts of DESENSITIZATION that is causes.

 

[Spaz]

It's a vicious circle/ feedback loop, and worsens the problem... just like addiction to any drug does.

Yes. But people r going abt it by masking the root causes. Creating pseudo science ideology to mask what's hidden.

Science has acknowledged that masterbating is natural and even beneficial, there's plenty of studies 2 confirm that.

Science has also established that high levels of porn use r most likely 2 be tied 2 high libido, meaning frequent porn use is most often an effect of libido, and not the other way around.

As such taking a period of time away from any repetitive behavior (such as porn) may help a person to become more mindful and more aware of the impact of these behaviors. You need 2 understand that.

It's not because of masterbation or porn usage.

 

[Spaz]

See that’s what you aren’t getting though.

The fact that porn has such an immense effect on dopamine and how your brain is wired, AFFECTS your conscious choices about your life, sexuality, relationships, etc.

A drug addict GENERALLY makes poor decisions about all of those things right?

A clear headed person GENERALLY makes the right decisions in regards to all of those things.

The reason people are getting more attention from women and having a higher success rate of getting laid by nofapping IS BECAUSE of their decision to stop and normalize their brain function. Which in turn, improves their decision making and how they act.

There is hard science on how drugs affect people negatively with these things right? Porn is a drug. If cocaine is a grenade, porn is a nuclear bomb.

I’m not in opposition to those that do nofap based on religious beliefs or something similar, but I do think ur ideas are simplistic, naive and promote a sad, reductionist and distorted view of male sexuality and masculinity.

There's nothing new abt what u hv been saying. A couple of hundred years ago physicians has been saying the same thing and promoted the idea that masturbation was a medical illness which weakened the male spirit and created immorality and ill health.

It's a myth.

Science since then has debunked those myths.

Nofap fanboys regurgitate a lot of old myths about how refraining from masturbation helps them to be more energetic, more sexual, more virile, and more manly.

That’s a little sad.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Science has also established that high levels of porn use r most likely 2 be tied 2 high libido, meaning frequent porn use is most often an effect of libido, and not the other way around.
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A healthy libido and an over-inflated one are two very different things. An over-inflated one can cause your life to be hell. There are plenty of horror stories to read, so there is no excuse of pleading ignorance.
It is not as simple as a clean cut cause and effect. The reality is something like a feedback loop... the consumption of porn affects the libido... it gets fed to grotesque proportions compelling the user to further consume - compulsion [as in destructive addiction... lack of free will] and consumption in an ever-ended vicious circle which severely damages the quality of life. I'd say it is the major cause of depression in men.

As for the mainstream scientific community, they are mostly in denial as the use of pornography has become so prevalent and normalized. Also, in a hard-nosed scientific environment, they don't want to be labelled as judgmental, prudish or moralistic. But I think more psychologists are coming to see the problems.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

People say this, but I haven't seen any hard scientific evidence for it. I looked around on Google at different studies and articles, and it seemed to me that there is very little agreement on this subject. And a lot of people putting forth opinions are selling a product, which further muddies the water. So at this point I don't think it's been proven that having sex raises testosterone while masturbation lowers it. I think there needs to be more research before we can fully have an answer to it.

To me, I don't see why one orgasm should have a different effect than another. And you can respond to a woman's pheremones without having sex with her. The whole thing makes very little sense to me.

That said, I do believe that porn is harmful, and that many guys use masturbation as a crutch to avoid social situations. Masturbation can also be considered a waste of time, which could be better spent doing something more productive. But then again, some people consider sex a waste of time also.

There are some scientific studies where the brain is hooked to electrodes. They were proving that sex lights up different areas of the brain vs masterbation.

Also when your close you pick up her pheremones. Think back to when you first started having penetration. Your pictures would have changed.


A male being able to assert himself and penetrate her will have higher test levels than one jagging off.

The science proves it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I’m not in opposition to those that do nofap based on religious beliefs or something similar, but I do think ur ideas are simplistic, naive and promote a sad, reductionist and distorted view of male sexuality and masculinity.

There's nothing new abt what u hv been saying. A couple of hundred years ago physicians has been saying the same thing and promoted the idea that masturbation was a medical illness which weakened the male spirit and created immorality and ill health.

It's a myth.

Science since then has debunked those myths.

Nofap fanboys regurgitate a lot of old myths about how refraining from masturbation helps them to be more energetic, more sexual, more virile, and more manly.

That’s a little sad.

Well it does weaken the male spirit if he was jagging off instead of having sex. We proved this in real life already.

 

[Spaz]

Also, and let me know if I’m wrong here but I don’t think I am, but there have NEVER been cases of otherwise healthy young people in their 20’s and lower having erectile disfunction until the age of technology.

We have 15 year old porn addicts running around with erectile disfunction who don’t even know they have a problem because we are all raised to think that “everyone does it”...that is just absurd. Why is this all the sudden happening nowadays to a lot of young people? PORN and the crazy high amounts of DESENSITIZATION that is causes.

That’s a misdirection, u r externalizing this issue and pointing the blame for erectile dysfunction at the common social whipping-post of porn by fanboys.

In young men or boys, the causes r typically from medications, anxiety, cigarettes, drugs, obesity and lack of sexual experience.

Why don't those fanboys attack those negative traits/habits vigorously?

 

[zekko]

There are some scientific studies where the brain is hooked to electrodes. They were proving that sex lights up different areas of the brain vs masterbation.

Also when your close you pick up her pheremones. Think back to when you first started having penetration. Your pictures would have changed.

A male being able to assert himself and penetrate her will have higher test levels than one jagging off.

The science proves it.

Saying it and proving it are two different things. I've seen studies saying what you say, and I've seen studies that indicate sex has little effect on long term testosterone level at all. Which ones are correct? There doesn't seem to be a genuine consensus in the scientific community.

 

[RickTheToad]

Going to have to agree with the minority. Jerk off when you need too. Keeping that stuff building up in you is not a good thing. Creates aggression and it shows. Not a good sign.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Science since then has debunked those myths.
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Also saying science this and science that is absurd.

This is not a scientific issue at all but an ethical one. We are considering ourselves in so far as we are free and rational individuals. Saying science can decide the ethical, is like saying reason can decide the religious.

 

[Spaz]

Well it does weaken the male spirit if he was jagging off instead of having sex. We proved this in real life already.

Who r the "we" ?

And all I can see is nofap fanboys blaming masterbation/porn on their already ****ty life - social retardation, obesity, medications...etc.

Don't hide from it, dont mask it, face it like a man should.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Saying it and proving it are two different things. I've seen studies saying what you say, and I've seen studies that indicate sex has little effect on long term testosterone level at all. Which ones are correct? There doesn't seem to be a genuine consensus in the scientific community.

Part of the scientific community is pushing feminism. Feminism is pushing masterbation. So alot of studies are fake.

Your sex drive raises from having sex and thus raise your testosterone.

Plus oxytocin which causes actual bonding. This doesn't happen in jagging off.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Who r the "we" ?

And all I can see is nofap fanboys blaming masterbation/porn on their already ****ty life - social retardation, obesity, medications...etc.

Don't hide from it, dont mask it, face it like a man should.

If fvcked everyday for 15 years straight. And I've had drought of several months. Masturbation when your in a drought is being weak. It removes the drive to get the real thing.

 

[Spaz]

Also saying science this and science that is absurd.

This is not a scientific issue at all but an ethical one. We are considering ourselves in so far as we are free and rational individuals. Saying science can decide the ethical, is like saying reason can decide the religious.

Science deals in facts. And ethics deals in a belief system.

If u want 2 discuss beliefs systems then u must be brave 2 be open abt it as it can be challenged.

Whereas a fact cannot be disputed.

So far as this discussion is headed, all I've seen and read so far is beliefs. Not a single shred of fact.

Why is that?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Science deals in facts. And ethics deals in a belief system.

If u want 2 discuss beliefs systems then u must be brave 2 be open abt it as it can be challenged.

Whereas a fact cannot be disputed.

So far as this discussion is headed, all I've seen and read so far is beliefs. Not a single shred of fact.

Why is that?

There is facts. Oxytocin release in actual sex. And I watched a scientific study with brain hooked to electrodes. Sex lit up the brain differently. Plus being in vicinity of female pheremones raised the testosterone and drive in the males.

 

[Spaz]

There is facts. Oxytocin release in actual sex. And I watched a scientific study with brain hooked to electrodes. Sex lit up the brain differently. Plus being in vicinity of female pheremones raised the testosterone and drive in the males.

Then it's a social problem is it not?

Not getting pvssy.

 

[corrector]

If you do not have an option to get actual sex, then no-fapping will not help that situation but will just make it worst. Even if you have a super strong drive, from no-fap, doesn't mean anything unless you want to get a sex assault/rape charge or end up with a prostitute. One thing I do know, is that I'd rather fap than pay to be with a prostitute (i.e. if the theory of Oxytocin and female pheromones are true, then you could just pay a prostitute since you are dealing with a woman) if I have no real option to be with a woman. They also sell pheromones or chemical Oxytocin by the way...even if that was true, you could always spray yourself, or put it on your pillow, with a chemical while fapping to mimic a real woman.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Then it's a social problem is it not?

Not getting pvssy.

Well you nailed that. Yes, if a man isn't getting pvssy or having a serious hard time of getting it he's having a social issue.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If you do not have an option to get actual sex, then no-fapping will not help that situation but will just make it worst. Even if you have a super strong drive, from no-fap, doesn't mean anything unless you want to get a sex assault/rape charge or end up with a prostitute. One thing I do know, is that I'd rather fap than pay to be with a prostitute (i.e. if the theory of Oxytocin and female pheromones are true, then you could just pay a prostitute since you are dealing with a woman) if I have no real option to be with a woman. They also sell pheromones or chemical Oxytocin by the way...even if that was true, you could always spray yourself, or put it on your pillow, with a chemical while fapping to mimic a real woman.

Every man should be able to obtain sex unless he's in jail.

 

[zekko]

Part of the scientific community is pushing feminism. Feminism is pushing masterbation. So alot of studies are fake.

Your sex drive raises from having sex and thus raise your testosterone..

Simply saying it doesn't prove it. Many of the studies I was talking about were not about masturbation, but about whether or not intercourse raises testosterone long term. It does not appear that the scientific community has gathered enough evidence at this time to come to a conclusion.

I don't buy the idea that feminists are pushing for masturbation. It makes more sense for them to be anti-masturbation, because that makes men more reliant on women for sex. But many studies come from manufacturers looking to sell products, and those might be suspect.

Again, I don't see enough evidence at this point to draw a conclusion either way.