Nofap: Why it works

[MrJack]

I'll break it down real simple like.

Dopamine is the chemical that your brain releases when you achieve something that you percieve as achievement.

When you watch hardcore porn an jerk off your brain releases DOPAMINE in MASS AMOUNTS.

If you have only ever been an infrequent user of porn you might be able to get away with this.

BUT if you are a frequent/habitual user, you become DESENSETIZED to lower forms of Dopamine release.

What are these "lower forms"?

Having REAL sex (yes)
Hitting a PB at the gym
Getting a raise
Saving enough to put a deposit on a house
Going to a party

Basically, over time EVERYTHING in your life becomes less pleasurable. **** that should give you a buzz becomes BORING. This can lead to depression, laziness, social anxiety, being angry all the time, not giving a **** about anything etc etc etc

Obviously theres degrees of this but the more you use porn, the worse it gets. Porn is PROVEN to be highly addictive.


So the point of Nofap is shutting off this overstimulation and over time, (3 months tends to be a baseline to see reasonable results) your brain un****s itself so..... all that other stuff becomes interesting and desirable again.


So in short it's all about the DOPAMINE and resetting that **** to normal levels.


Footnote:

Before getting angry and saying this is all BS, think...I mean REALLY think if theres a CHANCE that any of the above applies to you, because if you DO have even a mild porn addiction, quitting that **** will up-level your game SIGNIFICANTLY.

I was a moderate porn addict who quit so any questions about my experience ask away.

@Infern0

Well done.

I’ve said good things about nofap and have recommended it to others in their posts on this forum but you have absolutely nailed the overall post about it.

People who don’t have a problem with porn or do it maybe a few times a month, won’t see much improvement. Somebody who does it everyday to maybe a few times a week will definitely see some sort of improvement in many aspects of life!

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The whole premise of nofap wasn't religious. 70-80% of single men aren't having sex or are having minimal sex.

They were fapping to Porn. So they get an urge for sex, they complain about their sex life and they weakly and meekly admit defeat and drop trou at their computer workstation and jagg off to porn.

This cycle is repeated over and over and over. So that if they have a sexual desire, they submit and jagg off to porn.

 

[Spaz]

The whole premise of nofap wasn't religious. 70-80% of single men aren't having sex or are having minimal sex.

They were fapping to Porn. So they get an urge for sex, they complain about their sex life and they weakly and meekly admit defeat and drop trou at their computer workstation and jagg off to porn.

This cycle is repeated over and over and over. So that if they have a sexual desire, they submit and jagg off to porn.

Then porn is not the problem, it's one of the symptoms of an underlying problem.

The problem as I've mentioned is therefore social retardation or erectile dysfunction.

And nofap doesn't resolve the root cause it only hides/mask the shame or the feeling of hopelessness.

I've been saying this repeatedly; work on ur social skills and if u hv erectile dysfunction, seek proper medical help. Don't be delusional thinking that nofap will assist, it doesn't, it only makes u feel good abt urself temporarily. The underlying problem is still there.

Work on a solution that's viable and could be measured with facts and not based on belief's.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Then porn is not the problem, it's one of the symptoms of an underlying problem.

The problem as I've mentioned is therefore social retardation or erectile dysfunction.

And nofap doesn't resolve the root cause it only hides/mask the shame or the feeling of hopelessness.

I've been saying this repeatedly; work on ur social skills and if u hv erectile dysfunction, seek proper medical help. Don't be delusional thinking that nofap will assist, it doesn't, it only makes u feel good abt urself temporarily. The underlying problem is still there.

Work on a solution that's viable and could be measured with facts and not based on belief's.

It's the same as picking up a bottle of alcohol instead of taking care of the problem. So they'll be stuck in this cycle until they address the problem.

 

[Spaz]

It isn’t porn. It’s women. Women are the only way men can EVER be controlled naturally. Porn is just a way of using that. The toughest men can be affected by women if they don’t know how to be specifically prepared for it. And it’s solely because they are female. That’s it. No other reason than that. That’s why in order for society to control men, they had to focus on women via feminism.

Smart. I am impressed.

And yes, in order to control men, women r being used in a manner of speaking.

But this is a whole other topic best reserved for another thread. Set one up and I will give you a valid and rational explanation as 2 why it is important that the status quo remains so.

 

[Spaz]

It's the same as picking up a bottle of alcohol instead of taking care of the problem. So they'll be stuck in this cycle until they address the problem.

And they'll start blaming the alcohol or everything else that goes wrong in their life instead of taking responsibility and taking corrective action to address the root cause.

What they lack is actually bravery.

They r not brave 2 face women, society, themselves, their poor libido etc.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

And they'll start blaming the alcohol or everything else that goes wrong in their life instead of taking responsibility and taking corrective action to address the root cause.

What they lack is actually bravery.

They r not brave 2 face women, society, themselves, their poor libido etc.

That's a lot of folks though. Alot of folks are addicted to self destructive behaviors. But indeed it is weakness and running away from the real problem.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

But this is a whole other topic best reserved for another thread. Set one up and I will give you a valid and rational explanation as 2 why it is important that the status quo remains so.

PM me

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Decline of masculinity? Phulease refrain from making urself sound like a bloody fool.
All I can see is u and the other nerds r making lots of extrapolations on weak science, to argue that porn has a disproportionate effect on the brain and using that earth shattering scientific-nerd language to mask that these r actually moral arguments, not medical ones, unless u hv some sort of erectile malfunction that u r hiding.

Show us 1 single scientific journal 2 back up ur claims.

Perhaps it's best u and the other fanboys here take note how people who promote nofap gets no sex and r generally losers. They think they can change their life simply by not fapping. Stop wasting time on nofap research and talking with a bunch of loser nofap followers. Instead work on improving your social skills, and fap as normal, if porn disturbs ur sensibilities, then don't use porn as a medium, get a real girl to help you with it.

So not wanting to think for yourself [and don't forget nothing obliterates thought more than porn], and outsourcing your own intelligence to normal science as you perceive it, you call those that do think for themselves 'nerds'. This is just degenerate name-calling. And we could simply call you a moron.... but that wouldn't get us very far.

As for your other point that a lot of 'nofap' masks itself behind a scientifically respectable language, there is an element of truth to that. This is because in the mainstream science dominates our intellectual culture, and so any language entering the public sphere will try to dress itself up as science. This is fine, but personally I think it is at heart a moral and ethical issue... which is not to diminish it but emphasize it. the problem with masculinity today is it has largely lost this ethical dimension which is its essential compass.

 

[MrJack]

It isn’t porn. It’s women. Women are the only way men can EVER be controlled naturally. Porn is just a way of using that. The toughest men can be affected by women if they don’t know how to be specifically prepared for it. And it’s solely because they are female. That’s it. No other reason than that. That’s why in order for society to control men, they had to focus on women via feminism.

Then porn is not the problem, it's one of the symptoms of an underlying problem.

The problem as I've mentioned is therefore social retardation or erectile dysfunction.

And nofap doesn't resolve the root cause it only hides/mask the shame or the feeling of hopelessness.

I've been saying this repeatedly; work on ur social skills and if u hv erectile dysfunction, seek proper medical help. Don't be delusional thinking that nofap will assist, it doesn't, it only makes u feel good abt urself temporarily. The underlying problem is still there.

Work on a solution that's viable and could be measured with facts and not based on belief's.

@Spaz

I disagree. Fapping (to porn) IS the root cause of almost ALL of my problems since I started at the very young age of about 11-12 and porn was the first thing I’ve ever got off to, not a real woman. It was about 4 years of porn use before I ever had real sex with a woman and even then... I noticed I couldn’t get it up at first and I was 15!

After a couple more tries I’d eventually be able to get it up but I realize now that was because I thought to myself “I’ll not jack off in the days leading up to having sex, that might help”

At that point my addiction to it was not as heavy so I think it was easier to “bounce back” so to speak.

In high school, once I got more heavy into porn and then not having sex anymore after my gf and I broke up, I used strictly porn to get off for months upon months and then... boom. Could not get it up to save my life before sex with a beautiful women. I could not for the life of me figure out why until I found nofap.

Social skills are HAMPERED by porn use because of the reasons OP stated in his original post. Dopamine brother.

Maybe not ALL people but when MOST people use hardcore drugs, their social skills begin to lack and they are just stupid in social situations whether they are high or sober at the time.

Porn is a drug in the same way that other drugs flood your brain with dopamine except porn dumps WAYYY more dopamine than all other drugs so it can be considered the worst one of them all.

I mean I’m on like day 80 or so now and I am naturally funnier, more confident, and my erections have improved tenfold compared to when I was jacking off to porn every day/every other day. Women are naturally more drawn to me than before because of the fact I am funnier more confident and just feel more like a natural human being. Not a porn warped loser.

Not everyone has/had as bad of a problem as me so I know this shyt doesn’t apply the exact same way to everyone but IME nofap is the sole reason I am becoming the person I have always known I should be but couldn’t because my mind was “trapped”. It’s like you know what you need to do and how you should act but you literally just can’t do it.

Now I can.

I don’t know how much knowledge you have on the topic but the science and symptoms all make complete sense if you really take the time to research and learn about it.

 

[R.U.G.]

In so far as you are a free and self-determined individual, that is, an ethical one in pursuit of certain ideals, you need to question normal science. There is an irreducible conflict between norms and ideals. Going with the norm in the ethical sphere is usually just an ideological justification in order to resolve any cognitive dissonance we may perceive. But this cognitive dissonance, that we perceive in our ideology, is actually a good thing, for it would compel us to listen to that instinct we have for the excellent.

We should not 'outsource' our intelligence to theoretical experts, which is always a form of bad faith, but develop our own practical reason in the existential sphere. This is simply good old-fashioned ethics.

I think you are incorrect, but to each their own. What works for one, many no work for another. For men not able to get enough pvssy to conquer their urges, there is nothing wrong with masturbation. Maybe things are different in Korea, but it's fine in America.

 

[R.U.G.]

@Spaz

I disagree. Fapping (to porn) IS the root cause of almost ALL of my problems since I started at the very young age of about 11-12 and porn was the first thing I’ve ever got off to, not a real woman. It was about 4 years of porn use before I ever had real sex with a woman and even then... I noticed I couldn’t get it up at first and I was 15!

After a couple more tries I’d eventually be able to get it up but I realize now that was because I thought to myself “I’ll not jack off in the days leading up to having sex, that might help”

At that point my addiction to it was not as heavy so I think it was easier to “bounce back” so to speak.

In high school, once I got more heavy into porn and then not having sex anymore after my gf and I broke up, I used strictly porn to get off for months upon months and then... boom. Could not get it up to save my life before sex with a beautiful women. I could not for the life of me figure out why until I found nofap.

Social skills are HAMPERED by porn use because of the reasons OP stated in his original post. Dopamine brother.

Maybe not ALL people but when MOST people use hardcore drugs, their social skills begin to lack and they are just stupid in social situations whether they are high or sober at the time.

Porn is a drug in the same way that other drugs flood your brain with dopamine except porn dumps WAYYY more dopamine than all other drugs so it can be considered the worst one of them all.

I mean I’m on like day 80 or so now and I am naturally funnier, more confident, and my erections have improved tenfold compared to when I was jacking off to porn every day/every other day. Women are naturally more drawn to me than before because of the fact I am funnier more confident and just feel more like a natural human being. Not a porn warped loser.

Not everyone has/had as bad of a problem as me so I know this shyt doesn’t apply the exact same way to everyone but IME nofap is the sole reason I am becoming the person I have always known I should be but couldn’t because my mind was “trapped”. It’s like you know what you need to do and how you should act but you literally just can’t do it.

Now I can.

I don’t know how much knowledge you have on the topic but the science and symptoms all make complete sense if you really take the time to research and learn about it.

I think it's a mind of matter ideology. I am not a doctor, but what you are explaining could had been from meds, food, diet, stress, self-esteem, etc. Just because someone masturbates, doesn't mean they use porn. Some use their mind. Saying masturbation is bad is equal to saying like tanning is bad. Both are bad when they are done in excessively, but in moderation, nothing is wrong with it.

 

[R.U.G.]

R.U.G. some things In this world we know better than the doctors.

We have doctor's here on getting laid and winning in this Babylonian system .

We also have doctor's for maintaining even thriving your masculinity in light of feminism.

We have doctor's at "the game".

We can agree to disagree. Not all doctors are feminists. Especially the old timers @ NYU and Columbia.

 

[MrJack]

I think it's a mind of matter ideology. I am not a doctor, but what you are explaining could had been from meds, food, diet, stress, self-esteem, etc. Just because someone masturbates, doesn't mean they use porn. Some use their mind. Saying masturbation is bad is equal to saying like tanning is bad. Both are bad when they are done in excessively, but in moderation, nothing is wrong with it.

Everything I say in regards to it being bad I am meaning WITH porn. My bad for not making that clear.

But yea porn is the real enemy here.

 

[zekko]

Sex with an actual female raises testosterone and your self esteem. It's due to dominance and sex. You smell her pheremones while your inside her, your human mind knows it's inside her.

People say this, but I haven't seen any hard scientific evidence for it. I looked around on Google at different studies and articles, and it seemed to me that there is very little agreement on this subject. And a lot of people putting forth opinions are selling a product, which further muddies the water. So at this point I don't think it's been proven that having sex raises testosterone while masturbation lowers it. I think there needs to be more research before we can fully have an answer to it.

To me, I don't see why one orgasm should have a different effect than another. And you can respond to a woman's pheremones without having sex with her. The whole thing makes very little sense to me.

That said, I do believe that porn is harmful, and that many guys use masturbation as a crutch to avoid social situations. Masturbation can also be considered a waste of time, which could be better spent doing something more productive. But then again, some people consider sex a waste of time also.

 

[Spaz]

I keep on saying this many times; porn is a symptom of an underlying problem.

Much like alcohol abuse.

Much like glue sniffing.

Much like drug abuse.

Does this compute?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I keep on saying this many times; porn is a symptom of an underlying problem.

Much like alcohol abuse.

Much like glue sniffing.

Much like drug abuse.

Does this compute?

It's a vicious circle/ feedback loop, and worsens the problem... just like addiction to any drug does.

 

[Spaz]

@Spaz

I disagree. Fapping (to porn) IS the root cause of almost ALL of my problems since I started at the very young age of about 11-12 and porn was the first thing I’ve ever got off to, not a real woman. It was about 4 years of porn use before I ever had real sex with a woman and even then... I noticed I couldn’t get it up at first and I was 15!

After a couple more tries I’d eventually be able to get it up but I realize now that was because I thought to myself “I’ll not jack off in the days leading up to having sex, that might help”

At that point my addiction to it was not as heavy so I think it was easier to “bounce back” so to speak.

In high school, once I got more heavy into porn and then not having sex anymore after my gf and I broke up, I used strictly porn to get off for months upon months and then... boom. Could not get it up to save my life before sex with a beautiful women. I could not for the life of me figure out why until I found nofap.

Social skills are HAMPERED by porn use because of the reasons OP stated in his original post. Dopamine brother.

Maybe not ALL people but when MOST people use hardcore drugs, their social skills begin to lack and they are just stupid in social situations whether they are high or sober at the time.

Porn is a drug in the same way that other drugs flood your brain with dopamine except porn dumps WAYYY more dopamine than all other drugs so it can be considered the worst one of them all.

I mean I’m on like day 80 or so now and I am naturally funnier, more confident, and my erections have improved tenfold compared to when I was jacking off to porn every day/every other day. Women are naturally more drawn to me than before because of the fact I am funnier more confident and just feel more like a natural human being. Not a porn warped loser.

Not everyone has/had as bad of a problem as me so I know this shyt doesn’t apply the exact same way to everyone but IME nofap is the sole reason I am becoming the person I have always known I should be but couldn’t because my mind was “trapped”. It’s like you know what you need to do and how you should act but you literally just can’t do it.

Now I can.

I don’t know how much knowledge you have on the topic but the science and symptoms all make complete sense if you really take the time to research and learn about it.

Note, there's not even a single person noteworthy from the scientific community to back up nofap, in fact the science is going in the opposite direction.

U report that u r able to get laid or get more attention from women when u stop using porn hv little to do with porn and everything to do with the fact u r making conscious choices about ur lives, ur sexuality, ur relationships with people and ur needs.

I encourage that for all people.

And that's what I'd like to think SS is for. We dish out tough love when it's needed.

I'd be the 1st to admit and the 1st to apologise if anyone can show me any shred of scientific proof to back up nofap.

R u brave enuf to do the same?

 

[MrJack]

I keep on saying this many times; porn is a symptom of an underlying problem.

Much like alcohol abuse.

Much like glue sniffing.

Much like drug abuse.

Does this compute?

Not always though. I had no underlying problems when I was 12. Great social life, confidence, liked by many, pretty much everything going my way. Then I discovered porn and my life has been a slow downhill. Lost confidence, lost friends, became a loner.

Sure there may have been other things like heavy weed use, introverted hobbies like video games, and maybe not the best diet that could have contributed.

But

While keeping everything constant and only getting rid of porn and masturbation to porn, I find my life always shifts back in the right direction to some extent.

There’s not always an underlying problem, sometimes the vice (whatever it may be) STARTS / IS the problem. And that’s when you have to take a look at your life and take action against things that are holding you back.

Just try it if you haven’t before. You might be pleasantly surprised... or disappointed in the lack of improvement. Only you can find out for yourself, if you have the self control to do it.

 

[MrJack]

U report that u r able to get laid or get more attention from women when u stop using porn hv little to do with porn and everything to do with the fact u r making conscious choices about ur lives, ur sexuality, ur relationships with people and ur needs.

See that’s what you aren’t getting though.

The fact that porn has such an immense effect on dopamine and how your brain is wired, AFFECTS your conscious choices about your life, sexuality, relationships, etc.

A drug addict GENERALLY makes poor decisions about all of those things right?

A clear headed person GENERALLY makes the right decisions in regards to all of those things.

The reason people are getting more attention from women and having a higher success rate of getting laid by nofapping IS BECAUSE of their decision to stop and normalize their brain function. Which in turn, improves their decision making and how they act.

There is hard science on how drugs affect people negatively with these things right? Porn is a drug. If cocaine is a grenade, porn is a nuclear bomb.