ArticIe - Spent 200k on women during my time as a sugar daddy and the experience completely changed

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Sum up - Very High Class Escorts...Period.
No thanks. I don't need to pay to play. It works for busy dudes who travel tons for work and make tons of $$$.
Why then get married? I wouldn't
 

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Sum up - Very High Class Escorts...Period.
No thanks. I don't need to pay to play. It works for busy dudes who travel tons for work and make tons of $$$.
Why then get married? I wouldn't
Most on pickup, DJ, red pill are seeking to play house.

Most are pursuing someone closer to metapause then 21. Its pathetic.

IMHO I rather be a sugar daddy at sixty then married to cratered SMV fat wife with Chad's kids.

Clearly, both are in servitude to the feminine biological strategy.

Its that, the latter is a circle jerk. I won't do it.

If I am guilty of anything, its no doubt Peter Pan syndrome.

No amount of beta male shaming will put me back in the box. Its not happening. I am checked out. I have switched off.

You can only serve one master. I pursue Samadhi. I chase excellence. The feminine biological strategy is adaptation.

It will evolve again once man is needed again.
 

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The guy is definitely beta and got used to some extent but can you really blame him? He has plenty of money and this was the easiest route to take to get what he wanted. As long as he understands this is likely about money the majority of the time what does it matter? A year or two on SS and maybe this guy would have only spent $50,000!!!

He has spent roughly 0.4% of his net worth on attractive women. Big deal! Instead of doing cold approaches, reading SS, swiping, creating dating profiles, spending time in bars, etc. he was busy building wealth. He spent his time and energy on more productive things.

This is not the first time I've heard of a sugar baby falling for the guy and not wanting anymore money. It happened to a buddy of mine.

A guy that lacks in looks and skills that attract women can short circuit the process by throwing money at it. Unless you are looking for love, whats the problem with doing so?
 
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I think that is a waste of $200k but hey, if the guy just wants to smash I can't blame him. That's one way of cutting the bull**** out I suppose.
 

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Most on pickup, DJ, red pill are seeking to play house.

Most are pursuing someone closer to metapause then 21. Its pathetic.

IMHO I rather be a sugar daddy at sixty then married to cratered SMV fat wife with Chad's kids.

Clearly, both are in servitude to the feminine biological strategy.

Its that, the latter is a circle jerk. I won't do it.

If I am guilty of anything, its no doubt Peter Pan syndrome.

No amount of beta male shaming will put me back in the box. Its not happening. I am checked out. I have switched off.

You can only serve one master. I pursue Samadhi. I chase excellence. The feminine biological strategy is adaptation.

It will evolve again once man is needed again.
define peter pan syndrome, I only see people calling other with that when the dude don't intend do settle down and buck up the whole "adult life" aka marriage with children
 

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The guy is definitely beta and got used to some extent but can you really blame him? He has plenty of money and this was the easiest route to take to get what he wanted. As long as he understands this is likely about money the majority of the time what does it matter? A year or two on SS and maybe this guy would have only spent $50,000!!!

He has spent roughly 0.4% of his net worth on attractive women. Big deal! Instead of doing cold approaches, reading SS, swiping, creating dating profiles, spending time in bars, etc. he was busy building wealth. He spent his time and energy on more productive things.

This is not the first time I've heard of a sugar baby falling for the guy and not wanting anymore money. It happened to a buddy of mine.

A guy that lacks in looks and skills that attract women can short circuit the process by throwing money at it. Unless you are looking for love, whats the problem with doing so?
No plate is worth 50k+. The article just proves that all women have a price for their perceived most valuable asset.
 

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Article - CNP - Part 1

As the founder and CEO of a global software company, this former sugar daddy has a net worth of more than $50 million.

Making an effort to get back in the game following a divorce, he decided to try Seeking Arrangement and later went on to date three different women.

Over the course of his time as a sugar daddy, he spent $200,000. Around 90% of that total was spent on his third woman alone.

His last Seeking Arrangement relationship destroyed his ability to trust and made it difficult to date for some time after he decided to give up the sugar daddy lifestyle.

Tell me about yourself.
I'm a founder and CEO of a global software company. My net worth is north of $50 million. I travel a lot, but I'm based in New York. I was divorced about 3.5 years ago, and when it came time to get back into the game, I realized I couldn't go back into conventional dating. I'm 50 years old but I probably look 38. I'm incredibly fit, I work out all the time, and I have the mentality of someone in their 20s because I just love to have fun. I jump out of planes, you know? I'm just one of those guys.

Why did you feel like you couldn't go back into conventional dating?
My schedule just prohibited it. When I dated conventionally, it always followed the same pattern: Meet a girl, get to know them, they like the vibe. Then I start my crazy travel schedule and there's an awful lot of stress and texting. When are you coming back? Where are you?

So I thought okay, what if I financially support someone and when I'm here, I have the company of someone I enjoy. It seemed like the perfect solution.


So how did you end up on Seeking Arrangement?
I started using the site because I thought it was the only way to meet women who have not been tainted by life.

What do you mean, tainted by life?
I just found that as women and men age, they get more tainted by their experiences. They create within themselves a negative bias as a standard operating procedure. I went on many dates with women in their 40s, and what I found consistent between all of them was they were immediately looking to find out how I was going to hurt them, even from date one.

Then I happened to meet a friend's sister for dinner, and the sister was 31 and we talked for 6 hours. It was so incredibly refreshing. It was just amazing to me. I thought, maybe I should start to pursue younger women. But then it became clear to me that conventional dating wasn't going to work. I wasn't meeting younger women in the bars I went to, and when you go on a site like Bumble, you're aren't going to find many women on there who are open to dating a 50-year-old guy. So I found Seeking Arrangement.

Who did you end up meeting on there?
There were three women I met on the site. The first woman was the "upfront woman." I met her for a drink and she was very open about the fact that as long as there was some chemistry, she would meet with me and sleep with me for money. Unfortunately, that's not really who I am. I need more of an emotional connection with someone, even though it might sound weird in that environment.


The next woman was someone I would call a "girl next door." She probably shouldn't be on the website, and she wants an emotional connection, but she needs financial assistance. So I dated her for four to five months. After two months she said, I don't want money anymore, I just really enjoy getting to know you. It really told me she wasn't looking for a long-term monetary benefit, and that you can have a real chemistry-laden relationship with someone.

What happened with that relationship?
Over the next two months, the age difference was slammed in our face. I remember I went out to brunch with her and her friends, and someone was whispering, you know, Whose dad is that?It didn't really impact me, but I saw the look on her face. When we talked about it later, she said she wasn't necessarily prepared for that. So we decided to remain friends.

And the third woman?
The third woman I call the "mercenary," and she was the most dangerous person I think I ever met. She scared the **** out of me. She would say anything to make you think she loved you. She lied about not having a boyfriend, not living with him, got all the money, gifts, trips, and plane tickets, and when her boyfriend finally threw her out, she came crawling to me. So she ended up moving in with me for a while, and then I got set her up in an apartment. Once, I got really ill, and I told her what was going on, and I said, hey, look we need to have a real relationship, or this isn't going to work. And to this day, I haven't heard back.

What do you mean a real relationship? Did you want monogamy?
I didn't expect monogamy but I was asked for it. So I told her, okay, well you have to be upfront with me, not just honest. If you have feelings for someone else then just let me know and we'll cut it. That should be the best part about a site like Seeking Arrangement is you shouldn't have to lie. Like, this is who I am. this is my situation, if you want to be with me under these conditions then we'll be together.

But the thing was, I was exposing her to my entire world — I have kids who knew about her, my ex knew about her — and she wouldn't expose me to anyone. She was saying all the right things but her actions weren't matching what she was saying. So I told her, either you change or it's not going to work. And then, ghost.

How much did you spend supporting her?
I spent $200,000 while dating on the site, and about 90 percent of that was on the third woman. I bought her a lot of jewelry. I'd buy her a ring, she would lose the ring or say it got stolen, and I'd buy her another ring to replace the ring. Then her rent, it was $3,500, $3,600, plus a security deposit. I know. It was sort of like, hey dude, what are you doing?


And you haven't been back on the site since?
I went back on the site and had one phone conversation with a woman, but that was it. That last relationship actually destroyed my ability to trust, and it was one of the factors that broke up the relationships that followed. I would go into relationships prior with, let's assume she's not crazy and she's nice unless there's proof that something is wrong. After, I approached relationships with, it's probably going to be a terrible relationship, she's going to lie and deceive me.

Well that's interesting, because isn't that how you were describing older men and women who are "tainted by life" previously?
Absolutely. It was a really difficult thing to deal with. I became what I didn't like about other people through that relationship. It really took an awful lot of time to be able to process through that, and I'm still working on it. When the urge comes up for me to say, I think you might be misleading me, I just squash it a little bit.
 

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Part 2

Has that experience changed whether you would date women of a certain age?
If I were single, I would definitely date women who are older. I was looking at older women as being tainted and having the view that life is not the greatest thing in the world. After processing everything I went through, now I realize they're just not necessarily willing to put up with bull**** and they're not going to sit there and think everything is rosy all the time. I feel like an older woman is more likely to be communicative and say, "I don't want to do this anymore." What I've come to realize is that sometimes younger women don't know how to do that, especially if they're in a relationship where they need financial support because of the fear of the unknown, like, Oh my god, what's next.

The girl I met on Seeking Arrangement used to say that all the time. Just because you have the money you have the power. But I view the dynamic of sugar dating as a mutually powerful relationship unless the sugar baby is desperate for money, and when they're desperate for money, that's when it's a power imbalance. But I don't necessarily view sugar dating as the man has all the power, because it's just as easy for the women to walk away. Unless, of course, financially they can't.

Well, so who are you dating now?
The girl I'm dating now, I was eating at a restaurant outside and she walked by, dropped her phone, it broke in a million pieces and I helped her pick it up. And she ended up sitting and having a glass of wine with me. She is younger than I am, but it's interesting — her mother is much younger than her father, so she's used to the concept.

With a lot of discussion about moneyed, older men abusing their power, has it changed the way you view your relationships?
A little bit, to some degree. I had a conversation with my current girlfriend about the dynamic of power because I clearly make a lot more money than she does. And I asked, do you ever feel like I have more power in this relationship than you do? And she looked and me and said, Not more power, but you clearly can do things I can't, and that may make me feel a little jealous.

I am much more concerned now about the perception from my girlfriend's friends as they potentially view me as more predatory. And I think I have changed my behavior. In New York, I'm more likely to stick to places I know, where people know me. The bartenders, owners, or servers, they don't just see me as some old guy dating this young girl.

Given the fact that you make more money than your girlfriend, do you also support her financially?
My current girlfriend does have a job but she doesn't have a job that can pay for the lifestyle she likes, so I do find myself supporting her financially almost as much.

So how would you differentiate what you're doing now from sugar dating?
It's perception, maybe. I want chemistry to come before the financial for me. That's the difference. Whereas the other way around, it's, Give me money, and then I'll spend time with you. When there's no feeling behind it, no desire to be with someone because you have a semblance of attraction, you're just providing a service. I could just hire a hooker for an hour, it's the same thing. And it's not just about sex; if the only reason she's spending time with me is because she's getting paid, then it doesn't matter if we're having sex or not, that's not something I would undertake.


Were you ever concerned about people only dating you for money?
I was always concerned about that, and there's no real way to know. Unless you stop helping them financially, I guess. That's the only way I could know. Right now, with my current girlfriend, it's a little different. It's not something where she gets a monthly check from me every month, I just help her out here and there when, you know, maybe she has to travel to see her mother and she can't cover her airfare until she gets paid two weeks later so I cover it.

But that was the whole problem with sugar dating sites. I couldn't believe anything I was told. Like if I asked, Hey, if I'm not helping you financially, would you still want to see me? Of course they'd say yes, but there was no real way to understand if it was real.

So you went in knowing that you were going to have to put up some cash, but you also wanted a real relationship. Do you think that expectation was fair?
I don't necessarily know that it's fair, honestly. I think the dynamic of a website like Seeking Arrangement is, you have to assume that whoever you meet on that site is going to say whatever they can say to accomplish whatever goal they might have. And that goal is getting money. I mean, I came to that conclusion after that mercenary relationship. There was no way to get around the fact that without money, that relationships would never had happened.
 

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Can you sum it up?
  • As the founder and CEO of a global software company, this former sugar daddyhas a net worth of more than $50 million.
  • Making an effort to get back in the game following a divorce, he decided to try Seeking Arrangement and later went on to date three different women.
  • Over the course of his time as a sugar daddy, he spent $200,000. Around 90% of that total was spent on his third woman alone.
  • His last Seeking Arrangement relationship destroyed his ability to trust and made it difficult to date for some time after he decided to give up the sugar daddy lifestyle.
Dude spends money on sugar babies and it ruins his view on women.

Shocking!
 

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No plate is worth 50k+. The article just proves that all women have a price for their perceived most valuable asset.
I don't disagree....but to a man that can not get a constant supply of hot ass and is uber wealthy perhaps it does have value.

To a bum, 20$ is a lot of money. To the average middle class man, $50k-100,000 is a lot of money, to the uber wealthy what he spent is nothing.

I spend $25,000/yr on my hobby. Just money I light on fire and watch burn for a good time. I could spend that on pu$$y if I wanted but I value my hobby over pu$$y any day because I don't have a hard time getting what I want.

The point is, the money this man spent is nothing to him. Its all relative to how much disposable income you have. Put your rich man glasses on and step into his world. Rich people will spend $150,000 on a television. Yes Samsung makes on. I've seen one in person. Rich people have wine delivered to their homes with a monthly price tag of $5000. Rich people will have $750,000 of cars sitting in their garage. Rich people own multiple houses all more than $1million a piece. Rich people own yachts they keep on the east coast and hire a guy to float the thing down to the Bahamas so they can use it for the weekend. Rich men have girlfriends they give credit cards to and send on trips to Miami for the weekend on private jets so they can fuhk some other girl. Rich men hire hot girls and pay them $1000/day to act as a flight attendant on their business jet. I've been around all of this type of thing.

Have you ever thought how much it costs to have a wife/ live in girlfriend you aren't paying a fee to for an "arrangement"? Car, Health Insurance, Hair, Nails, Plastic Surgery, Makeup, Shopping, Skincare, Massages, Clothes, Shoes, Gym, Vacations, etc?
 
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dude he could so damn be like that chinese dude who pretty much paid 10 millions dolar for a porn star to stay with him for 10 years
 

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I don't disagree....but to a man that can not get a constant supply of hot ass and is uber wealthy perhaps it does have value.

To a bum, 20$ is a lot of money. To the average middle class man, $50k-100,000 is a lot of money, to the uber wealthy what he spent is nothing.

I spend $25,000/yr on my hobby. Just money I light on fire and watch burn for a good time. I could spend that on pu$$y if I wanted but I value my hobby over pu$$y any day because I don't have a hard time getting what I want.

The point is, the money this man spent is nothing to him. Its all relative to how much disposable income you have. Put your rich man glasses on and step into his world. Rich people will spend $150,000 on a television. Yes Samsung makes on. I've seen one in person. Rich people have wine delivered to their homes with a monthly price tag of $5000. Rich people will have $750,000 of cars sitting in their garage. Rich people own multiple houses all more than $1million a piece. Rich people own yachts they keep on the east coast and hire a guy to float the thing down to the Bahamas so they can use it for the weekend. Rich men have girlfriends they give credit cards to and send on trips to Miami for the weekend on private jets so they can fuhk some other girl. Rich men hire hot girls and pay them $1000/day to act as a flight attendant on their business jet. I've been around all of this type of thing.
No doubt, so, in your summary, which I agree to some extent, rich men spend stupid amounts of money to have access to a woman's intimate area.

Have you ever thought how much it costs to have a wife/ live in girlfriend you aren't paying a fee to for an "arrangement"? Car, Health Insurance, Hair, Nails, Plastic Surgery, Makeup, Shopping, Skincare, Massages, Clothes, Shoes, Gym, Vacations, etc?
Yea, did that mistake once. I didn't pay for any of that which you've mentioned above. Well, I was court ordered to pay the health insurance for a year, that sucked. Vacations were split 70/30. I had a woman after her who was a former model (she claimed), who expected a man to pay for everything like you describe above because she's worth it. She was shown the door the same night.

Women can be replaced, money, time and resources wasted on them cannot. Yes, you can always make more money and get more resources, but once those original funds are spent, it's gone.
 

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If desperate men would stop putting pvssy on a pedestal, these problems would cease to exist.

Anyone will take advantage of a favorable situation. And if they say otherwise, they are a liar.
 

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define peter pan syndrome, I only see people calling other with that when the dude don't intend do settle down and buck up the whole "adult life" aka marriage with children
Herbivore men. Mgtow but monk mode. Ones that won't even code or to anything the least bit productive.

There's no doubt a crisis of masculinity but note the removed of "man" in fireman or police men. Its disguised as PC butbon actuality, its genocidal.

There's a lot of boys. Few men. Its accurately depicted even on the forum here with men trying to be pretty. Men growing beard not because he is a man. Its again an attempt to be pretty. Working out is another piss poor attempt.

I don't want to grow up. Similar to the Peter Pan story, the question is why? Why grow up? I see a significant portion of women as predators. Its a sociopathy. Aggressor one sec, victimhood the next. I see a graveyard of financially destroyed men post divorce. Absolutely ruined. Marriage is tyrannical now a days and nothing More so then the laws that pander to the feminine biological strategy.

Peter Pan syndrome is a means of male adaptation. Men are checked out. Its ideal to pursue but on your terms. Integration of what Jung refers to the shadow. Establish something. I am checked out of the feminine imperative. I won't play. I enjoy casual. It runsbuts course. #nextset
 

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Herbivore men. Mgtow but monk mode. Ones that won't even code or to anything the least bit productive.

There's no doubt a crisis of masculinity but note the removed of "man" in fireman or police men. Its disguised as PC butbon actuality, its genocidal.

There's a lot of boys. Few men. Its accurately depicted even on the forum here with men trying to be pretty. Men growing beard not because he is a man. Its again an attempt to be pretty. Working out is another piss poor attempt.

I don't want to grow up. Similar to the Peter Pan story, the question is why? Why grow up? I see a significant portion of women as predators. Its a sociopathy. Aggressor one sec, victimhood the next. I see a graveyard of financially destroyed men post divorce. Absolutely ruined. Marriage is tyrannical now a days and nothing More so then the laws that pander to the feminine biological strategy.

Peter Pan syndrome is a means of male adaptation. Men are checked out. Its ideal to pursue but on your terms. Integration of what Jung refers to the shadow. Establish something. I am checked out of the feminine imperative. I won't play. I enjoy casual. It runsbuts course. #nextset
Ever read the real Peter Pan book? Much darker than the Disney version. He was a sexual predator. Peter and Wendy by J.M. Barrie.
 

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Ever read the real Peter Pan book? Much darker than the Disney version. He was a sexual predator. Peter and Wendy by J.M. Barrie.
No but, there's a ton of sexual innuendo in Disney. The Jonas Bros and chastity rings is backwards rational for the obvious which south park depicted nicely.

Thanks. I will look at that.

Do you listen to Jordan Peterson? He speaks of youth as "potential." This herein lies the solution to man's search and pursuit.

Why do men like young? Fertility? Biological markers. Top form SMV. Potential.

If she allocated her best years, not her worst. Not bulking season and baby rabies. I am checked out of marriage and cohabitation with women but, if a man was so foolish as to do so, this is the mark.

Anything but is to sin, and thus miss the mark.

Her seeking to play house after the wall after fertility is declining is of no interest of mine. Zero ****s. Its not my problem nor my concern.


Now, if I were critical of myself, I would deem much of us in Peter Pan syndrome but, its a initial part of male adaptation to the feminine biological strategy. Its not a good deal and I can bust nuts without following the beaten path.

No beta male shaming nor manipulation will drag me back to the plantation to be another male sacrifice once Chad and Tyrone stop hitting it.
 
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