All you guys obsessed with looks/height/being white

[bigdave17]

I went out tonight with a wing man who is a pretty good looking 6'3 white Russian dude and he attempted to approach maybe 20 women...every single one of them turned him down within 2 minutes. I wasn't much help to him - I'm very good around women who already show some signs of interest towards me but trying to open random women who show zero signs of interests is obscenely hard.


I can't convince you guys that I'm very attractive in real life (I know I look like hot garbage in pics but I'm much much better looking in real life) but tonight proved to me that there is no real solution to dating that makes any sense. Women don't work on any sense of logic or reasoning. For a long time, I thought that being good looking/in shape/dressing well automatically helped you get women.... I maximized all 3 areas like crazy and still it didn't help. I thought for a long time that being successful/having a good social circle/having a big house/fancy car/etc.... would automatically help get women... I maximized all 3 areas like crazy and it didn't help at all. Tonight, I find out that I would be still struggling to get someone of quality if I was 6'3 and white.


Cliffnotes: Even if you were 6'3, white and good looking, you guys would still suffer miserably in dating. There is no magic bullet to dating...women are ridiculously hard no matter who you are or what you do. The only guys who find it easy to attract women are movie stars and rockstars...the rest of the world finds the process to be very very difficult

 

[bigdave17]

Exactly, it's always going to be difficult and fairly random for most men. Self improvement will give you the ability to date hot trash while you cross your fingers for someone with character.

I've worked obsessively hard for self improvement and it hasn't helped me date anybody decent


There is no magic bullet or magic solution

 

[Red Legg]

Cliffnotes: Even if you were 6'3, white and good looking, you guys would still suffer miserably in dating. There is no magic bullet to dating...women are ridiculously hard no matter who you are or what you do. The only guys who find it easy to attract women are movie stars and rockstars...the rest of the world finds the process to be very very difficult

My main squeeze just left my apartment after getting my c0ck sucked and fvcked all night I beg to differ.

 

[guru1000]

The only guys who find it easy to attract women are movie stars and rockstars...

And Guru1000s.

 

[Mike32ct]

There is something called “over-sarging” or “sarging out the venue.”

Regardless of looks, I think it’s crazy to do 20 approaches in the same venue, unless (for example) it’s a VERY large and packed club where women are less likely to notice all the approaches being done.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Women tend not to have good taste in men looks wise IMO

 

[zekko]

The OP has some issue that is holding him back. Ordinarily, I'd say he knows what it is, but I'm not sure in this case. Probably a personality issue. He's become so comfortable with failure, he's probably self sabotaging himself.

That aside, if he really wants an LTR, he'd probably have more success with social circle. Problem is, like Richard the Frog, sounds like he doesn't really like talking to women, but prefers the company of men, so that's not helping him either.

Women are actually a lot of fun if you give them a chance.

 

[cola]

Girls in clubs arent a good barometer. Their guard is already way up.

 

[17 shots]

Instead of being discouraged by his results, you should be inspired. Yea he kept getting turned down, but he didn't give up. That's the attitude you have to have to get what you want

 

[Trainwreck]

Because I always see women dating down their standards when it comes to white men. Black men have to be like Ray Ray and Pookie or imitating mainstream hip hop to have any chance at women. If you’re just a regular black guy then you are on the same level as an Indian 711 gas station worker.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Because I always see women dating down their standards when it comes to white men. Black men have to be like Ray Ray and Pookie or imitating mainstream hip hop to have any chance at women. If you’re just a regular black guy then you are on the same level as an Indian 711 gas station worker.

OMG what an example.

 

[corrector]

Because I always see women dating down their standards when it comes to white men. Black men have to be like Ray Ray and Pookie or imitating mainstream hip hop to have any chance at women. If you’re just a regular black guy then you are on the same level as an Indian 711 gas station worker.

Ghetto ladies perhaps or ethnics that want to suck up to W.S culture, but not women of value such as the OP is going after. For these women it's a level playing field. These white guys do not have an advantage over you because as Amante Silvestre said, that in itself does not cut it with them. You might have a better chance than they do because you these women may have a fetish for Black guys and there is stereotypes that Blacks are very sexual. So you may have a better chance of getting the same white chicks that the OP and his wingman is struggling with.

But seriously, would you want to even get with these types of women (the bed-wenches or ethnic suck-ups, etc...)? They should be disqualified to you. If I see a Black chick next to a white grandpa (i.e. and they look close) then I'm not going to be talking to her.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Girls in clubs arent a good barometer. Their guard is already way up.

Yes, and Russians are an aggressive culture. What works in Russia is not going to work as well here. I'm tall and white, and I have nothing in common with that guy, I'm sure. I couldn't be turned down by twenty women in one night, because I would be able to tell right away that they were not interested in me, and thus would not ask them anything. Then I'd go talk to some other woman who acts more interested. You don't have to whack one over the head and drag her back to your cave by the hair, if you just find the one who wants to go with you instead.

 

[Murk]

20 women... I doubt it. Probably 5

 

[HankHill]

You don't have to whack one over the head and drag her back to your cave by the hair

I come across great cliche' quotes that still have be laughing. This for example is a perfect candidate to go in my OLD profile under the 'Your ideal first date...' Whack you over your head and drag you back to my cave for a perfect candle light dinner lol

 

[zekko]

You don't have to whack one over the head and drag her back to your cave by the hair, if you just find the one who wants to go with you instead.

He's not interested in the ones that want him.

 

[flowtheory]

If you think the reward of all your efforts should be the ability to attract any and all hot women with instant ease, you have adopted an infomercial-like solution on life, right along with the expectations of absolutely amazing results. All I can picture in my head right now is a former gym teacher named Bob who is shooting his video testimonial from Maui on how to become a real estate mogul.

I'm going to put your mindset into an analogy you can hopefully understand: You're the guy driving around affluent neighborhoods in a Mercedes with the expectation that people will react to your car as if you were driving through the ghetto. Those affluent people don't particularly give a sh*t you have a Mercedes because everyone is driving a luxury car.

When it comes to looks, money, being tall.... you're not really selling anything special to attractive women. All you are offering them is status quo, because such women often attract such men. This is why you notice that you can attract so many women you're not attracted to. You are not their status quo. You are a commodity to them, like that Mercedes in the ghetto.

What you are entirely overlooking, or grossly underestimating, are the smaller nuances that can often set men apart on a level playing field; the accessories, if you will, that might sell a customer on one luxury car over another.

You may have good looks and a friendly personality, but you're probably lacking a certain charm/swagger with women that few decent looking, sociable men have.

You may dress impeccably in expensive clothes, but you're probably lacking a unique style that sets you apart from the static noise of a well dressed crowd.

You may draw a good salary, but a guy with a nice car and some money in his pocket is not much different than another guy with a nice car and some money in his pocket. Being in the top 0.000003215% of your demographic does not make a woman's crotch tingle.

The "accessories" that can lead you to become more preferable to attractive women have been neglected during all of those years you have been focusing on looks, clothes and money. All you have achieved to do is simply increase the appeal of women who don't often attract such men.

You have failed to realize that these elements only place you upon a higher playing field where all of the players are more attractive, better dressed and more affluent; a field that is level for all of the players involved. Like the BMW in an affluent neighborhood.

Because you neglected to develop these charismatic, stylistic-like nuances that can set you apart, you're still just the fat kid in all of those departments.

You're still the fat kid when it comes to charisma/charm with women, for example.

Each of these difference-makers are manufactured from a frame and a mindset you currently do not have, and it is your fear of rejection and something of an entitled expectation from your success that is preventing you from developing it.

That was really good. One of the top posts I’ve read in SS. Props

 

[flowtheory]

Because I always see women dating down their standards when it comes to white men.

Can you qualify that more thoroughly, I’m interested in your thoughts.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

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Women respond to dominant men who seems to be in charge in the enviornment. It is literally in their nature to be attractive to do so.

Dude. Only approach women who've showed choosing signals. For me it's a double take or a long look .