You guys realize that getting women as a man is the absolute hardest aspect of social interaction??

[bigdave17]

Making friends - I can go to my gym, talk to literally any guy there for 15-20 minutes and he will want to hang out with me. I think it's that almost everybody can sense that i'm genuinely a very good person with good integrity/morals and they are naturally drawn to me. That plus my combination of being very successful and driven in life is extremely appealing to people.

Obviously getting men as a woman is insanely easy (assuming we're talking about somebody who is on the same level of being decent looking with a great body like I am)

Getting gay men is super easy

Getting gay women as a gay woman is super easy (again, assuming you have a decent face with a great body. You can go to any gay or dyke bar and have more options than you can imagine)

There is literally nothing or nowhere you can go where dating is anything close to easy as a straight man. At most bars and clubs, women go out in giant groups and approaching is crazy hard. Approaching during the day is crazy hard. Straight women are more selective and demanding in who they date than any other demographic of society.

And again, I'm talking about meeting somebody quality... I can go to a lot of places and have women show me a lot of interest who are 10 miles below my league. That means nothing. If I went to a gay bar, I would have muscular good looking 26 year olds dying to be with me. I go to straight bars and the only women who show me obvious interest are 35 year old single moms. It's just not remotely comparable

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Making friends - I can go to my gym, talk to literally any guy there for 15-20 minutes and he will want to hang out with me. I think it's that almost everybody can sense that i'm genuinely a very good person with good integrity/morals and they are naturally drawn to me. That plus my combination of being very successful and driven in life is extremely appealing to people.

Obviously getting men as a woman is insanely easy (assuming we're talking about somebody who is on the same level of being decent looking with a great body like I am)

Getting gay men is super easy

Getting gay women as a gay woman is super easy (again, assuming you have a decent face with a great body. You can go to any gay or dyke bar and have more options than you can imagine)

There is literally nothing or nowhere you can go where dating is anything close to easy as a straight man. At most bars and clubs, women go out in giant groups and approaching is crazy hard. Approaching during the day is crazy hard. Straight women are more selective and demanding in who they date than any other demographic of society.

And again, I'm talking about meeting somebody quality... I can go to a lot of places and have women show me a lot of interest who are 10 miles below my league. That means nothing. If I went to a gay bar, I would have muscular good looking 26 year olds dying to be with me. I go to straight bars and the only women who show me obvious interest are 35 year old single moms. It's just not remotely comparable

You haven't even got past the "getting laid" basic core element of being a guy . Guys fvck what they can and their skill and confidence increases .

 

[JonnyX]

Oh absolutely agreed.

- Making friends is pretty easy if you are friendly and good natured, plus have some basic common interests (even just being in the same classes at school when you're young).
- Gay guys never struggle to get laid.
- Women never struggle to find men (unless they only want male models).

But if you are a straight man and below average physically? It's by far the hardest thing in life. The list of complex things I have learned or accomplished in my life that I have found far easier stretches for miles.

If you're talking to a bunch of 6'+ white guys don't expect sympathy on this though. None of my friends who have ever been in that class have ever really "got it" because it's been so easy for them, and they live in a bubble from that ease. Most of them genuinely can't understand why I would find it hard. To them it's so easy, and they consider me at least as an equal, because they're not judging me based on my appearance, so they think of course it must be easy for me too.

Hetero men live in hierarchies and classes more so than any other demographic of society, and primarily these classes are set by women's sexual preferences.

 

[bigdave17]

Oh absolutely agreed.

- Making friends is pretty easy if you are friendly and good natured, plus have some basic common interests (even just being in the same classes at school when you're young).
- Gay guys never struggle to get laid.
- Women never struggle to find men (unless they only want male models).

But if you are a straight man and below average physically? It's by far the hardest thing in life. The list of complex things I have learned or accomplished in my life that I have found far easier stretches for miles.

If you're talking to a bunch of 6'+ white guys don't expect sympathy on this though. None of my friends who have ever been in that class have ever really "got it" because it's been so easy for them, and they live in a bubble from that ease. Most of them genuinely can't understand why I would find it hard. To them it's so easy, and they consider me at least as an equal, because they're not judging me based on my appearance, so they think of course it must be easy for me too.

Hetero men live in hierarchies and classes more so than any other demographic of society, and primarily these classes are set by women's sexual preferences.

I dunno man, maybe I just live in an area of ugly dudes but I walk outside my house, go to gyms and stuff and I rarely see guys significantly better looking than me. I think I'm easily in the top 15-10% of general public. The amount of guys I see who are significantly better looking than me are a tiny percentage. Very few guys really work out, are in shape, have nice bone structure in the face, dress super nice, etc...

Dating is not easy for me whatsoever

I'm not a 6'0 foot white guy but I'm a 5'10 Spanish looking dude who looks heavily European in the face (which means I'm not really far below white dudes on the totem pole)

 

[JonnyX]

I dunno man, maybe I just live in an area of ugly dudes but I walk outside my house, go to gyms and stuff and I rarely see guys significantly better looking than me. I think I'm easily in the top 15-10% of general public. The amount of guys I see who are significantly better looking than me are a tiny percentage. Very few guys really work out, are in shape, have nice bone structure in the face, dress super nice, etc...

Dating is not easy for me whatsoever

I'm not a 6'0 foot white guy but I'm a 5'10 Spanish looking dude who looks heavily European in the face (which means I'm not really far below white dudes on the totem pole)

Well as has been pointed out in other threads, if you were really top 10-15% I don't think you would have very much trouble. All the guys I've been friends with who I would consider top 10-15% have had zero trouble getting women no matter what mental or other problems they had.

One user on this site says he saw your pics and you're average looking. You've admitted you "look terrible in pictures".

Most women don't really care that much how you dress, despite what people on here will tell you. I've done hundreds to thousands of cold approaches and I never found there was any "magic outfit" that improved my success rate.

Keep in mind, this is how easy picking up a girl is if you're actually good looking to women:

And this is how women will respond to you physically:

Can you do any of that? Nope? Then join the club. You're not that good looking.

 

[bigdave17]

Well as has been pointed out in other threads, if you were really top 10-15% I don't think you would have very much trouble. All the guys I've been friends with who I would consider top 10-15% have had zero trouble getting women no matter what mental or other problems they had.

One user on this site says he saw your pics and you're average looking. You've admitted you "look terrible in pictures".

Most women don't really care that much how you dress, despite what people on here will tell you. I've done hundreds to thousands of cold approaches and I never found there was any "magic outfit" that improved my success rate.

Keep in mind, this is how easy picking up a girl is if you're actually good looking to women:

And this is how women will respond to you physically:

Can you do any of that? Nope? Then join the club. You're not that good looking.

the first guy is not good looking. Really bland looking facial features. he's about a 6/10

and correct I look horrendous in pics. I'm about a 5 to 6 in pics and a solid 7 to 7.5/10 in real life for real life standards.

Keep in mind I don't usually go for white girls. I go for women who look like me (Spanish, dark features)

 

[bigdave17]

You're a completely superficial empty head lol

I'm ferociously loyal to my loved ones
Honest
Unselfish
Would do anything for the people I care about
Generous (I send 15K a year to my relatives in Armenia which is like 150K here, what the fukk do you do of any value with your life?)
Super reliable

Fukk anything superficial, I'm a very good person at heart and everybody who knows me says that.

 

[JonnyX]

the first guy is not good looking. Really bland looking facial features. he's about a 6/10

and correct I look horrendous in pics. I'm about a 5 to 6 in pics and a solid 7 to 7.5/10 in real life for real life standards.

Keep in mind I don't usually go for white girls. I go for women who look like me (Spanish, dark features)

6/10, 6' tall, and white is literally all you need in life for dating. Women react insanely well to any guy who meets those criteria. Have you never had a friend like this before? Every single one I've had absolutely destroys it with women everywhere he goes.

By contrast, being a 5-6/10 in pics 5'10" Spanish or Middle Eastern guy will not give you the same benefits.

You are not understanding (or willfully refusing to acknowledge) the criteria women are actually using to judge and rank/sort men by.

 

[bigdave17]

You look Arab lol gtfo

I get assumed that I'm

Spanish (like from Spain) - maybe 30% of the time
Greek - 30% of the time
Italian - 20% of the time
Mexican/Puerto Rican - maybe around 20%


probably under 10% that anybody thinks I'm Saudi Arabian or middle eastern...which isn't even a big deal anyways. Lots of gorgeous people live in middle east, especially in areas like Armenia, Turkey, Lebanon

Dude I promise you, I look much much better in real life than any of these pics. It's something that drives me crazy and I just cannot figure out why

 

[bigdave17]

6/10, 6' tall, and white is literally all you need in life for dating. Women react insanely well to any guy who meets those criteria. Have you never had a friend like this before? Every single one I've had absolutely destroys it with women everywhere he goes.

By contrast, being a 5-6/10 in pics 5'10" Spanish or Middle Eastern guy will not give you the same benefits.

You are not understanding (or willfully refusing to acknowledge) the criteria women are actually using to judge and rank/sort men by.

my best friend is a white guy who is 5'11 195 ripped to the bone with huge muscles. I get more female attention than he does

Your obsession with white men needs to stop dude. Why do you want to date a white chick so badly anyways? Most of them look old as dirt by 35-40

Give me a beautiful Spanish or Middle Eastern chick any day of the week.

1)they look better with less makeup
2)They age much better
3)Usually have way more curves

 

[bigdave17]

Dude you are an empty head. You can't hide behind loyalty to family, even the dirtiest emptiest soulless w-hore is loyal to family.

that wasn't just family, I'm ferociously loyal to my friends also

Everybody who knows me says I'm a great person at heart. Hell just look at my refusal to continue having sex with the women below my league. Last week, this old ***** I fukked 2 years ago introduced me to her hot 38 year old Spanish MILF friend. I did not pursue her because these MILFs always end up wanting to date me and I'm not interested. I don't want to play that game. If I can't give them what they want, I'm not going to take what I want

 

[JonnyX]

my best friend is a white guy who is 5'11 195 ripped to the bone with huge muscles. I get more female attention than he does

Your obsession with white men needs to stop dude. Why do you want to date a white chick so badly anyways? Most of them look old as dirt by 35-40

Give me a beautiful Spanish or Middle Eastern chick any day of the week.

1)they look better with less makeup
2)They age much better
3)Usually have way more curves

I never once said I want to date a white girl. As an Indian guy I am judged negatively by girls of all races.

Every single major study I've seen on attractiveness in dating has shown white guys do dramatically better. It is a fact, not my opinion.

I would agree Spanish and Middle Eastern girls are beautiful. The last girl I was crazy over was Middle Eastern.

MY OWN RACIAL PREFERENCES have nothing to do with WOMEN'S RACIAL PREFERENCES.

These are two completely different things. I would date women of almost any race. The only two races of women I don't find commonly attractive are Chinese and black girls. I love Indian or Middle Eastern or Hispanic girls.

I've never had a single Indian or Chinese friend who does well with women. Every single guy I've personally known with a highly successful dating life has been white. I've not had many black friends so I can't comment on what it's like for black guys.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So would you rather fvck girls 1-2 pts below you maybe 15lb heavier than you like or be gay?
Your talking about playing pro basketball and your not even in the d league.

Get in the game and stop crying .

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I never once said I want to date a white girl. As an Indian guy I am judged negatively by girls of all races.

Every single major study I've seen on attractiveness in dating has shown white guys do dramatically better. It is a fact, not my opinion.

I would agree Spanish and Middle Eastern girls are beautiful. The last girl I was crazy over was Middle Eastern.

MY OWN RACIAL PREFERENCES have nothing to do with WOMEN'S RACIAL PREFERENCES.

These are two completely different things. I would date women of almost any race. The only two races of women I don't find commonly attractive are Chinese and black girls. I love Indian or Middle Eastern or Hispanic girls.

I've never had a single Indian or Chinese friend who does well with women. Every single guy I've personally known with a highly successful dating life has been white. I've not had many black friends so I can't comment on what it's like for black guys.

Two dark skinned Indian friends cleaned up with ALL races especially white. One was 6'1 the other 5'6". They were both somewhat fashionable and funny. The ladies had fun around them and it led to plenty of lays with a honey wanting g to try out an Alladin looking Indian male.

 

[JonnyX]

Two dark skinned Indian friends cleaned up with ALL races especially white. One was 6'1 the other 5'6". They were both somewhat fashionable and funny. The ladies had fun around them and it led to plenty of lays with a honey wanting g to try out an Alladin looking Indian male.

Wow that's pretty wild. Would have liked to have been there to see that. Particularly the 5'6" one. Not impressed if a 6'1" guy of any race does well. Women love tall guys.

Every Indian guy I've personally known has done very poorly which reflects the known dating/preference stats.

I'm actually one of the more successful Indians I know but I was only effective in situations where women are stuck around you for long periods. eg. University and grad school. Easy to show off personality or win people over when you have time on your side.

After that it's all bars, nightclubs and online dating which don't allow much of that at all.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Wow that's pretty wild. Would have liked to have been there to see that. Particularly the 5'6" one. Not impressed if a 6'1" guy of any race does well. Women love tall guys.

Every Indian guy I've personally known has done very poorly which reflects the known dating/preference stats.

I'm actually one of the more successful Indians I know but I was only effective in situations where women are stuck around you for long periods. eg. University and grad school. Easy to show off personality or win people over when you have time on your side.

After that it's all bars, nightclubs and online dating which don't allow much of that at all.

In the bar scene you'd have to be a regular that has success in that bar. Others will check you out.

 

[Mike32ct]

Most women don't really care that much how you dress, despite what people on here will tell you. I've done hundreds to thousands of cold approaches and I never found there was any "magic outfit" that improved my success rate.

Not to go off on a tangent, but I agree with this. I love to dress up, but it makes virtually no difference. I get a few random compliments in the office from people I know, but it makes zero difference in the field. And the nurse I’m seeing casually yells at me and tells me to “dress down” lol.

 

[malz1]

I never once said I want to date a white girl. As an Indian guy I am judged negatively by girls of all races.

Every single major study I've seen on attractiveness in dating has shown white guys do dramatically better. It is a fact, not my opinion.

I would agree Spanish and Middle Eastern girls are beautiful. The last girl I was crazy over was Middle Eastern.

MY OWN RACIAL PREFERENCES have nothing to do with WOMEN'S RACIAL PREFERENCES.

These are two completely different things. I would date women of almost any race. The only two races of women I don't find commonly attractive are Chinese and black girls. I love Indian or Middle Eastern or Hispanic girls.

I've never had a single Indian or Chinese friend who does well with women. Every single guy I've personally known with a highly successful dating life has been white. I've not had many black friends so I can't comment on what it's like for black guys.

Many average white guys aren't getting laid so it's statistically useless to use them as the 'standard'. Attractiveness is found in all races. At the most you can only suggest there to be more attractive white guys in the certain cultures taken at the given times of the studies you mentioned. You do seem obsessed with whites.

I'm black yet the white guys usually in my presence are invisible to women of any ethnicity. I see other blacks who do well with women too, though some less in the looks department, they have some form of status. The same as well with the asian locals in Hawaii.

Everything falls to status, and looks is just one way to get it. If I behave like a simp then that perception of status will easily fall apart.
I agree that race does have an affect on the dating market but it's moot to lose a few girls to other white guys when the pool is vast.

I get it. It sucks. But you still have a chance with money or running some ****. Try harder or you'll remain celibate. Bang escorts or fap in the meantime to stay sane in this hypersexualized world of media.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So you'd rather be gay than fvck women with a baby, or a couple years older than you prefer or 10-20lb heavier than you prefer.

 

[zekko]

Gay guys never struggle to get laid.

Do they find it easy to find "quality" mates though?

Keep in mind, this is how easy picking up a girl is if you're actually good looking to women:

Half of that video is that girl giggling after the guy asks her if she's single.

Your obsession with white men needs to stop dude. Why do you want to date a white chick so badly anyways? Most of them look old as dirt by 35-40

Why do you want to date a Spanish or Middle Eastern chick so badly? You're so preoccupied with how she's going to look 10 years down the line. Has it ever occurred to you that you might not even live past tomorrow? That's why we should appreciate each day we are given to the fullest.

By the way, I find women of all races attractive. An attractive girl is an attractive girl. I would not rule out dating anyone on the basis of race or ethnicity.

Not to go off on a tangent, but I agree with this. I love to dress up, but it makes virtually no difference. I get a few random compliments in the office from people I know, but it makes zero difference in the field. And the nurse I’m seeing casually yells at me and tells me to “dress down” lol.

I agree. I like to dress well too, but a guy can look too nice. There's something very masculine about throwing on a t-shirt and a pair of shorts, and if you're in good shape and can look good in it, all the better. Generally speaking, men aren't expected to fuss too much about their looks, that is a feminine quality.