One big mistake I see lots of men doing....

[mrgoodstuff]

Not sure what you are saying. I always tell men to do what you want.

It's not about spending money, I spend a lot of money of women, but it's doing things I want to do... not what she wants to do. If she wants to do something and pay my way, then cool I'll go along. If you are married and serious dating someone in a relationship it's okay to buy her things, as long as she is a giver and does things for you. However, if you buy a chick you are just dating a $350 piece of jewelry you just come off as someone trying to buy her, and that is not a good place to be. If you have a butt load of money and money means nothing to you, go ahead and buy it for her. Just don't think you getting anything in return for it, that is all I'm saying. It's about her trying to convince you to spend money and time on things you don't want to do. I didn't take this chick to Amsterdam because I didn't want to spend the money. I didn't take her there because I've been there a number of times and I'm just not interested. I have a trip planned for Madagascar in November, I'm going no matter what... not sure yet if I want to take someone there or not. But if I do, it's going to be a woman that doesn't mind treking around in the wilderness, because that is what I like.

If you like fixing cars, and have nothing else planned, and it's something you want to do... go ahead and fix her car. But if you don't like this and the only reason you are doing this is the hope of getting something in return, you are wasting your time.

I'm not doing free labor for someone . So doing those type of favors labels you as the "help".

Also tricking isn't good. Stop spending money and see what happens .

It's best she fvcks you due to sexual desire .

I'm also not entertaining or wasting time on someone unreliable .

 

[MatureDJ]

I can now spend on things I do like... like seasons tickets to the Saint's games next year.

I had Saints season tickets many moons ago. I think this will be a good year. However, I think the waiting list is like 60K long.

 

[MatureDJ]

Good stuff....but don't waste your money on the Saints they are trash...pick a better team...like the Falcons.

We'll see.

 

[lizardking82]

I really don't care... as long as I get what I want. Being a back-up only hurts you if you are chasing relationships with chicks, which IMO is silly. Occasionally I'll get calls from chicks that just came home from dates, with other dudes, calling me over for sex. Yea... I'm plan B, but would you rather be plan A? The guy that just dropped $100 on dinner and went home with blue balls....

We are all viewed by chicks as useful tools... as long as I'm the useful 'sex' tool, that's okay with me.

The guy who took her out on a date is not plan A. He is not even in a plan yet. He's auditioning for a plan LOL

 

[BeExcellent]

The thing is you learn the see the pattern of suggestion in the examples Mike gave. They are fishing for something. That is the hallmark of a user. They fish for something to benefit themselves at your expense. Free dinner, free stuff, free trips, those are the big 3.

If a man wants to do something generous for a woman (or vice versa for that matter) it should be from a place of desire to do or give that thing...and it should not be because of something contrived or requested or as an exchange or purported exchange of "this" object for "that" sex or whatever. That's transactional and that's not genuine by either party. But there are lots of shallow people wandering around out there who will take advantage of someone else in a heartbeat.

So it's a good thread in the sense that a man would be wise to see this "fishing" and these suggestive cues.

It's quite one thing for a woman to express an interest in something (a restaurant/music group/locale) and the man to surprise her with reservations or a gift. It's quite something else for her to expect to help herself to a man's resources via subtle suggestion and expect him to comply in order to gain her approval. The difference is important and will tell you reliably who is a giver and who is a taker.

 

[RedScorpion]

This is what I don’t understand this site.

Are we so afraid of spending money on girls and having fun? As long as she doesn’t come after your assets and break you, what’s a little cash? We are that obsessed with money? You are going to 42 and $10,000 richer because you didn’t take some girl on a trip? You are going to be 46 and $25,000 richer because you didn’t buy her nice things?

Personally I would spend to have fun. I’ve bought a girl I really like thousands and thousands of dollars worth of stuff. She will probably marry a 6’2 alpha who doesn’t have much.

I’m probably the major beta sucker. Do I regret it? No one bit.

I’d do these things for a girlfriend that I have a serious relationship with (dating for at least awhile), or my wife. I wouldn’t do these things to impress a girl that I haven’t even had sex with yet, buying my way to her affections.

If she shows her affections even with the mundane things, then I think it could be really fun going on a trip with them. With Ranger’s first example, she refused a trip to DC because it was boring... thus passing up an experience of being with him. Even if the environment wasn’t exciting.

If a girl I liked invited me on some boring trip with her, I’d more than likely say ‘Yeah let’s do it’. Disregarding the sex part, I’d do it because I enjoy her company. And knowing that it contributes to a further deepening of relations - even if you’re not planning an LTR with them. It’s fun with someone you like.

That chick revealed her scheme as soon as she said she only goes to exotic places. She was less interested in being with him, and more with what he could provide as material exchange to her. In this case, the trip to somewhere exciting. I’d consider her as low value/not someone to put effort in.

 

[skinnyguy]

This is what I don’t understand this site.

Are we so afraid of spending money on girls and having fun? As long as she doesn’t come after your assets and break you, what’s a little cash? We are that obsessed with money? You are going to 42 and $10,000 richer because you didn’t take some girl on a trip? You are going to be 46 and $25,000 richer because you didn’t buy her nice things?

Personally I would spend to have fun. I’ve bought a girl I really like thousands and thousands of dollars worth of stuff. She will probably marry a 6’2 alpha who doesn’t have much.

I’m probably the major beta sucker. Do I regret it? No one bit.

It’s always been a mental thing for me. If I take out a girl for dinner or take her shopping, and deep down inside she doesn’t like me and just wants the free stuff, I begin to feel resentful. It’s not just about the money. Her interest level in me determines whether it’s worth it. If I have a hot gf who bangs my brains out and cooks for me, hell yes I’ll spend money on her.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It’s always been a mental thing for me. If I take out a girl for dinner or take her shopping, and deep down inside she doesn’t like me and just wants the free stuff, I begin to feel resentful. It’s not just about the money. Her interest level in me determines whether it’s worth it. If I have a hot gf who bangs my brains out and cooks for me, hell yes I’ll spend money on her.

Its okay to spend if someone brings and add value to your life and spends upon you. Just never do it because you like them and you want to see how theyd respond. That's dead, women are playing the **** out of that old school romanticism.

 

[Trump]

Not sure what you are saying. I always tell men to do what you want.

It's not about spending money, I spend a lot of money of women, but it's doing things I want to do... not what she wants to do. If she wants to do something and pay my way, then cool I'll go along. If you are married and serious dating someone in a relationship it's okay to buy her things, as long as she is a giver and does things for you. However, if you buy a chick you are just dating a $350 piece of jewelry you just come off as someone trying to buy her, and that is not a good place to be. If you have a butt load of money and money means nothing to you, go ahead and buy it for her. Just don't think you getting anything in return for it, that is all I'm saying. It's about her trying to convince you to spend money and time on things you don't want to do. I didn't take this chick to Amsterdam because I didn't want to spend the money. I didn't take her there because I've been there a number of times and I'm just not interested. I have a trip planned for Madagascar in November, I'm going no matter what... not sure yet if I want to take someone there or not. But if I do, it's going to be a woman that doesn't mind treking around in the wilderness, because that is what I like.

If you like fixing cars, and have nothing else planned, and it's something you want to do... go ahead and fix her car. But if you don't like this and the only reason you are doing this is the hope of getting something in return, you are wasting your time.

OK this is good. I didn’t get this from the OP.

 

[Roober]

Good stuff mike! It sickens me how much men do this. I've seen this act so many times its disgusting. I see guys randomly walk up to women at bars and pay for their drinks, and buy lavish gifts. I just dont get it...

With my women, I establish from the get go that things are split. She can choose what to do next. It's her loss if she chooses to leave as I know where I stand with the general population of men.

Be the guy that makes her redefine her expectations, not the one who submits to hers.

 

[Solomon]

Even rapper future had a girl he invited somewhere. She didn't put out so he made her pay for her own trip home. I 2018 girls are using guys for free trips, they'll even get the free trip and spend most of their time elsewhere .

The future story is different he was gonna pay her back, and when the girl told him she was not gonna put out he cancelled her hotel room. The girl was a dumb and naive groupie and did not know how the game goes. I know girls who get "flown" out and typically they have everything paid for already but this girl was a amateur clearly

So most dudes prefer head than pvssy nowadays? With pvssy she has to give more of herself . She can't just do the job and be as detached .

You missed the point....or are you trolling?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The future story is different he was gonna pay her back, and when the girl told him she was not gonna put out he cancelled her hotel room. The girl was a dumb and naive groupie and did not know how the game goes. I know girls who get "flown" out and typically they have everything paid for already but this girl was a amateur clearly



You missed the point....or are you trolling?

Not . I was curious why head was mentioned and not pvssy .

 

[RangerMIke]

Good stuff....but don't waste your money on the Saints they are trash...pick a better team...like the Falcons.

LOL!!! Well you know as a Saints fan I am required to HATE the Falcons. He was giggling like Linda Blair when the Patriots came back and beat the Falcons in the Superbowl, and likewise, I'm sure Falcon fans laughed like crazy when Williams misplayed a pass, and the Vikings beat the Saints in the playoff. It is a healthy hate-hate relationship.

As a child I never got over the "Big Ben" year. For those that do not know. Back in the 70s, I don't remember which, the Falcons won BOTH their games against the Saints on a last second bomb into the end-zone. This was the year they changed the rules where an offensive player could touch a ball and then another offensive play could catch it. Leeman Bennett, HC of the Falcons then, put in some plays to take advantage of the rule change, and these were called "Big Ben" after the clock for when time is running out. He basically would flood the zone in the end-zone and toss the pass up for grabs Falcon receiver would then intentionally tip the pass where his fellow player could grab it. It worked like a charm... TWICE in one year. Now every team has plays like this but then it was new... and it changed the defenders play since then. Those two games but the Falcons in the playoffs (where they lost to the Cowboys... another team we Saints fans hate), and the Saints stayed home.

The lesson learned from this is ALWAYS understand the rules and accept things the way they are and take advantage of every wrinkle you can find.

 

[RangerMIke]

If you reject the simp frame she can only consider you as a sex partner or ignore.

Exactly. You can not control what she does, but you can control what you do and how you respond to her actions. This is true for every human interaction.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Exactly. You can not control what she does, but you can control what you do and how you respond to her actions. This is true for every human interaction.

The selfish lady that taught me this viewed our giving as males as a form of "submission" to her. So as a man you help yourself none at all by "simping" . She knows she don't deserve that kindness and she looks at you with more disdain and disrespect the
more you do .

 

[CamCam]

It's "weak". She knows it's weak, your subconscious knows it's weak too . Keep being used and you gave up most of your sex appeal .

I have a couple dates coming up; and used that same mindset;

Result:

The first woman is driving from Denver, an hour to my house, and bringing us a lunch
The second; is making us a picnic to have at the concert, and asked me for my opinion on each dish

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I have a couple dates coming up; and used that same mindset;

Result:

The first woman is driving from Denver, an hour to my house, and bringing us a lunch
The second; is making us a picnic to have at the concert, and asked me for my opinion on each dish

Yessir . Make sure you dyck them down good. They deserve that much.

 

[Glassguy]

This is what I don’t understand this site.

Are we so afraid of spending money on girls and having fun? As long as she doesn’t come after your assets and break you, what’s a little cash? We are that obsessed with money? You are going to 42 and $10,000 richer because you didn’t take some girl on a trip? You are going to be 46 and $25,000 richer because you didn’t buy her nice things?

Personally I would spend to have fun. I’ve bought a girl I really like thousands and thousands of dollars worth of stuff. She will probably marry a 6’2 alpha who doesn’t have much.

I’m probably the major beta sucker. Do I regret it? No one bit.

Your 2 main currencies with women are time and money. You should do what you want, but I will continue to choose as little as investment as possible (with my time and money) while still getting maximum return (getting laid consistently) as long as I can.

No reason for ever investing for that pvssy when she will gladly give it to you for free as long as you have the scarcity/abundance mindset.

 

[CamCam]

Your 2 main currencies with women are time and money. You should do what you want, but I will continue to choose as little as investment as possible (with my time and money) while still getting maximum return (getting laid consistently) as long as I can.

No reason for ever investing for that pvssy when she will gladly give it to you for free as long as you have the scarcity/abundance mindset.

Fantastic point Glassguy. Just as with work; you want to do the least amount of work possible for the highest possible wage

 

[BondJamesBond424]

This is what I don’t understand this site.

Are we so afraid of spending money on girls and having fun? As long as she doesn’t come after your assets and break you, what’s a little cash? We are that obsessed with money? You are going to 42 and $10,000 richer because you didn’t take some girl on a trip? You are going to be 46 and $25,000 richer because you didn’t buy her nice things?

Personally I would spend to have fun. I’ve bought a girl I really like thousands and thousands of dollars worth of stuff. She will probably marry a 6’2 alpha who doesn’t have much.

I’m probably the major beta sucker. Do I regret it? No one bit.

There are 2 points of not buying her stuff...

1. If you don't buy her dinners, expensive trips, gifts, you could even throw in flowers, whatever... If she REALLY likes you it won't faze her that you're not paying her way or buying her stuff. It's a sort of a male **** test.
If she REALLY is into you she will seek to be with you without you spending money on her.

2. It flushes out the users, the dinner users, attention seekers.

We don't just withhold gifts and paying for stuff for her for no reason. There is solid reasoning behind it.