I have women who consistently approach me/make it very easy to approach them

[MatureDJ]

I have had 2 incidents when women seemed to be playing "day game" and trying to pick me up. One was at a gas station in the Denver area after a day of skiing (I was wearing my ski pants), and some chick told me that we should go skiing together to save on gas, practically throwing her digits at me. Another time was in an Eastern European city while I was walking near the city center, and this chick was offering for us to have some fun. I flat out didn't trust the latter one as at best she was a pro and at worst she was trying to set me up to get mugged. As for the former, I didn't get that great of a look (although I could see that she wasn't obese), and I just didn't want to be with a women bold enough to do day game on me to be someone I eventually spurn, for "fatal attraction" reasons.

But I think that overall, I came to the very easy conclusion that if I am going to pick up on anything decent, it has to be something that I must earn, and that anything that is thrown at me like this must either be low-quality or be akin to a con-man's "great deal".

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Why are you always comparing yourself to every other guy in the room

That's so weird, who does that

No matter if it's weird or not, it's been tried before. It's feminine and not attractive. Over worrying about your looks comes across to the other as a "try hard", it's not attractive.

 

[Fzatf]

If you're not going to bother with the numbers game where you get rejected the majority of the time, you should start looking at the easy girls as what you're capable of dating. That means dating the pretty 30 year old and considering her for a ltr even if she is a little older.

However, you should get out of your own way and approach the girls you want without worrying about rejection. Also, spend some time with OLD. Again it's a numbers game.

 

[Fzatf]

Amante is right. You're not trying to get laid or even find an ltr. You're looking for a hot, young, foreign, successful, wife. You're picky about who you end up with, yet you don't want to play the game it takes to find her. Either lower your standards or prepare for a tough journey full of rejection.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Amante is right. You're not trying to get laid or even find an ltr. You're looking for a hot, young, foreign, successful, wife. You're picky about who you end up with, yet you don't want to play the game it takes to find her. Either lower your standards or prepare for a tough journey full of rejection.

And trying to find a gf or wife is not attractive, this has been tried before, it comes across as needy. Because if one does tick all your boxes, your trying to obtain her favor, and that's not attractive.

 

[bigdave17]

The irony is the higher your SMV goes, the more often you will get rejected by women with SMV below yours, as they reject themselves to conserve ego.

I dunno wtf you're talking about dude

Every woman I approach who is below my league (cute face and chubby, cute face and nice body but single mom, cute face and nice body but 30+, etc...) is instantly all over me

I can't remember the last time I was rejected by a woman below my league

 

[MrWood]

the higher your SMV goes, the more often you will get rejected by women with SMV below yours, as they reject themselves to conserve ego.

this 100%

women reject themselves first so not to be rejected
how do they do this?

it is generally very subtle and looks like they are rejecting you... which is exactly true, by intentionally telling themseves you are way above them

some signs...
not meeting your gaze is #1
a date rejection when you ask
flake on 2/3rd date (you are alpha relationship material)

you may think that you cant score even a HB5 as you start to lower your standards... but they are actually rejecting you

her: if this hot guy is hitting on me, he only wants to get a fvck/bj and I dont want to feel like that is all i am good for (a desperation lay) and get labeled a slvt

solution: raise your standards, raise your HB target

 

[bigdave17]

this 100%

women reject themselves first so not to be rejected
how do they do this?

it is generally very subtle and looks like they are rejecting you... which is exactly true, by intentionally telling themseves you are way above them

some signs...
not meeting your gaze is #1
a date rejection when you ask
flake on 2/3rd date (you are alpha relationship material)

you may think that you cant score even a HB5 as you start to lower your standards... but they are actually rejecting you

her: if this hot guy is hitting on me, he only wants to get a fvck/bj and I dont want to feel like that is all i am good for (a desperation lay) and get labeled a slvt

solution: raise your standards, raise your HB target

what the f*ck are you guys smoking in this thread?

Every 5/10 my age or 7/10 35 year old single mom or cute girl with a chubby body I ever talk to sticks to me like glue instantly

I try talking to a 8/10 my age and there is zero signs of interest there

 

[MrWood]

Every 5/10 my age or 7/10 35 year old single mom or cute girl with a chubby body I ever talk to sticks to me like glue instantly

this is your obvious SVM then

I think some guys here experience something different when these types are NOT sticking to them like glue and only are interacting and getting interest ABOVE this mark. But it is just my opinion (and experience)

 

[bigdave17]

this is your obvious SVM then

I think some guys here experience something different when these types are NOT sticking to them like glue and only are interacting and getting interest ABOVE this mark. But it is just my opinion (and experience)

a chubby 5/10 is not the same SMV as a 7.5/10 dude in great shape. Are you drunk?

 

[MrWood]

a chubby 5/10 is not the same SMV as a 7.5/10 dude in great shape. Are you drunk?

not drunk. I know that my SMV is actually lower than yours... yet, you seem to have an issue, not me.
What you describe is exactly right below my targets... yet no problems with HB8+

 

[zekko]

Every woman I approach who is below my league (cute face and chubby, cute face and nice body but single mom, cute face and nice body but 30+, etc...) is instantly all over me

I can't remember the last time I was rejected by a woman below my league

I thought you had no interest in women "below your league". So why are you approaching them, and forcing them to reject you?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

this is your obvious SVM then

I think some guys here experience something different when these types are NOT sticking to them like glue and only are interacting and getting interest ABOVE this mark. But it is just my opinion (and experience)

In my experience if iet sex dry up more than 6-8 weeks it gets harder to attract . Once you "try", you lost. So that's why I keep asking him to build a successful and fulfilling sex life.

 

[guru1000]

I dunno wtf you're talking about dude

Every woman I approach who is below my league (cute face and chubby, cute face and nice body but single mom, cute face and nice body but 30+, etc...) is instantly all over me

I can't remember the last time I was rejected by a woman below my league

I can see how many might perceive it this way. I did also for most of my life. I came into this realization only over the last 3-4 years, as I became more aware of the subjects' needs and how I naturally come across.

Most of the Manosphere state how being alpha attracts women. However, there is one little hole in this theory ... Not everyone is built the same. I for one have a very dominant, arrogant, straightforward (which often projects as deprecating) attitude, and for most women if I don't mitigate my tone, my demeanor can come across as abrasive.

When I'm sitting across a 9, for example, I hone my delivery as not to be offensive as I might be interested in seeing her again. I also study her needs to give her what she needs to hear. However, with a 7, I have no motivation to hone anything. I don't really even want to be there other than maybe a .... ... so in such a situation, I act like myself. It becomes quickly apparent within my raw demeanor that I am only there for one purpose. Women do not want to be pumped and dumped (P&D) which unfortunately when dealing with women a few notches below me, I automatically wear the P&D black eye and have to prove otherwise. Combine this with my natural, no-holds-barred demeanor, and it becomes clear that I cannot be trusted to stick around after the dirty deed is done. Hence, they throw out the test questions about my intent, and my responses naturally demonstrate their position in my intent/interest hierarchy, and so they disqualify themselves.

It's quite the interesting dynamic.

You may not run into this situation Dave, because you have a good guy demeanor and come across as a guy who wouldn't hurt (pump and dump) a fly, and so you can be trusted. Hence, this dynamic may not come into play in your social interactions.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Guru and Mr.Wood are absolutely right.

Many women who are below a man's league know it, and they usually come to the conclusion that a LTR with such a man is highly unlikely to be maintained and will have a much higher probability of heartbreak. They know they cannot hold his interest indefinitely, so they disqualify themselves in an effort to avoid such future heartbreaks that they see as inevitable.

It makes perfect sense to me that you do not experience this, because you are clearly interested in finding a LTR/marriage situation. Many women, both above and below your league, seem to have an uncanny ability to sense this in a man. The women below your league do not disqualify themselves because they sense it in you, hence they do not have the same heartbreak concerns and hesitations.

Likewise, women above your league sense it all the same, and they are often repelled by it because it is an unusual and uncommon trait to be immediately recognized in a man who has many options and higher standards; a man who needs not rush into anything and will screen a woman before allowing any such indications that he is thinking on LTR terms with her.

In a nutshell, it is your obvious desire for a LTR that attracts women below your league and draws suspicion from women above it.

We've identify on this site and many others that the mindset of a man desireing an LTR in 2018 doesn't work . It appears as needy. This is why I'm asking to start having sex and good moments from the more attractive babes who currently want to submit to him.

 

[bigdave17]

I thought you had no interest in women "below your league". So why are you approaching them, and forcing them to reject you?

how the f*ck do you know if a woman you approach is 35 instead of 28 if you're at a night club?

or that she's a single mom?

Most of the time i approach hoping that she is dateable and most of the time she is not. The non dateable ones are always all over me and pretty much won't let me go

 

[Spaz]

Most of the time i approach hoping that she is dateable and most of the time she is not. The non dateable ones are always all over me and pretty much won't let me go

They can smell the wussiness in you much like flies can smell cow shiet.

You'd be perfect for those with sluts characters/single moms to marry.

The only way 4 u to get out of that cycle is to grow some balls and be braver.

Edit: On bravery; If u can't, won't and hv no balls to hv the courage 2 change then settle for sluts, hoes and single mom's...then also stop all ur pathetic winning of what a loser u r, there is a limit to ones own self destructive mindset and u r way past it.

 

[Fzatf]

how the f*ck do you know if a woman you approach is 35 instead of 28 if you're at a night club?

or that she's a single mom?

Most of the time i approach hoping that she is dateable and most of the time she is not. The non dateable ones are always all over me and pretty much won't let me go

You obviously found them attractive. Why not have sex with these women and stop stressing? Enjoy the women you're attracted to while you keep searching for the wife.

 

[bigdave17]

Guru and Mr.Wood are absolutely right.

Many women who are below a man's league know it, and they usually come to the conclusion that a LTR with such a man is highly unlikely to be maintained and will have a much higher probability of heartbreak. They know they cannot hold his interest indefinitely, so they disqualify themselves in an effort to avoid such future heartbreaks that they see as inevitable.

It makes perfect sense to me that you do not experience this, because you are clearly interested in finding a LTR/marriage situation. Many women, both above and below your league, seem to have an uncanny ability to sense this in a man. The women below your league do not disqualify themselves because they sense it in you, hence they do not have the same heartbreak concerns and hesitations.

Likewise, women above your league sense it all the same, and they are often repelled by it because it is an unusual and uncommon trait to be immediately recognized in a man who has many options and higher standards; a man who needs not rush into anything and will screen a woman before allowing any such indications that he is thinking on LTR terms with her.

In a nutshell, it is your obvious desire for a LTR that attracts women below your league and draws suspicion from women above it.

my desire for a LTR doesn't mean I'm taking anything that I get. I'm extremely picky and screen women as much (hell probably) more than they screen men

 

[MrWood]

Dave, because you have a good guy demeanor and come across as a guy who wouldn't hurt (pump and dump) a fly, and so you can be trusted.

I have found that building comfort about naught/flirty/sex when meeting them, you are not going to judge her for being a sexual creature allows her to relax.

Dave... women want a man that sees her:
first as sexual/attractive
second is comfort that you are not going to judge her naughty behavior
third that you are not going to be afraid to stick your finger in her ass because she is a delicate flower
fourth that you are not going to be butthurt while she decides to continue to see you (or not)
fifth is she want to have fun, laugh and giggle
sixth is she wants to FEEL something, not THINK about everything

she needs these things... implied or informed

I bet you are timid, careful not to offend her and serious in your rapport.
I bet you try to "sell yourself", no defects/low mileage and that your service department can fix any little thing she needs... customer first.

This sells cars.. not a man.