I have women who consistently approach me/make it very easy to approach them

[corrector]

He needs to create a true abundance with the babes who currently want to give it to him. It'll give him an arrogance about the whole thing, because if hot girl jerks him around hell just go fvck one of his girls. He can't lose. Some of these ladies he looking past want to treat him like a god.

Wereas the hot girls that he's elevated over him want to jerk him around and not even feed him crumbs .

You do realize that what you wrote is extremely gross. You can't respect yourself if you go that low. He already wrote "field reports" where he went with those below tier women, I've read them myself and know it's not satisfying to him enough to drop this issue. What ends up happening is that is the only type of women you have access to and it does nothing for your overall to get the types of girls you really want.

 

[corrector]

you would do well to read the newsletters... (at the top of every page)

"Mistake #5 — Letting Her "Lead" the Conversation
Most guys are so unsure of themselves when talking to a woman that they look for the woman to give them "approval" or "permission" before they take any lead in the conversation.

And this is DEAD wrong.

The minute a woman realizes you're looking to her to lead the conversation... her attraction instantly disappears."


http://www.sosuave.com/articles/talk/6-conversation-mistakes-you-make-with-women.htm

In this political climate where you can lose your job, end up in trouble with any allegation a woman makes, be kicked out of a store or place, there are serious stakes involved with it. The other women that are making it easy for him to approach are giving him approval or permission and their attraction is 100% not going away if he bites their bait right?

 

[corrector]

Think the OP needs are more authority frame. He should host a party or something or do something where he is in charge.

 

[bigdave17]

Because that's how it IS and always has been lol

that's what i am asking

if this is how the game naturally is, then I understand

 

[bigdave17]

so your job posting is is attracting a lower level of applicants that see this as the only possible way for them to get into the work force... so to speak

But i am the only one in our group who consistently has women approach him

my lesser good looking friends never get approached

 

[bigdave17]

This is how the game is. Stop complaining about it.

will hot quality women like me if i pursue them?

I just don't get it, if I'm not good enough then who is dating these women?? Very very very few men have me beat in looks, status and money

 

[guru1000]

I just don't get it, if I'm not good enough then who is dating these women?? Very very very few men have me beat in looks, status and money

Guru1000 took all the hot women, and he doesn't share.

 

[RangerMIke]

Women get lots of validation from men. They create an on-line dating profile, puts up a head shot that's been photo shopped (so you can't see her body), and they get swamped with messages from thirsty dudes.

But really the biggest difference between men and women is typically we men play to win; while chicks play NOT to lose.

The result is women perceive themselves to have higher value than men. If women perceive you as an 8, women who are '8s' in reality will not approach because they think they are a 9 or 10... and that you are less on the SMV scale than they are... since they are playing not to lose, they think they will have lost if they get a guy who they perceive is of lower value than they. Men... since we play to win... will often lower our standards just to get laid.

This is why this happens, and really to only sustainable solution is for men to be the best versions of ourselves that we can be.... which increases the number of chicks that think we are worth their time.

 

[RedScorpion]

will hot quality women like me if i pursue them?

I just don't get it, if I'm not good enough then who is dating these women?? Very very very few men have me beat in looks, status and money

You really need to do some self analysis instead of the constant ‘Why am I not getting the girls if I am so great?’.

Pick the incongruity here.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You do realize that what you wrote is extremely gross. You can't respect yourself if you go that low. He already wrote "field reports" where he went with those below tier women, I've read them myself and know it's not satisfying to him enough to drop this issue. What ends up happening is that is the only type of women you have access to and it does nothing for your overall to get the types of girls you really want.

I don't think it's gross . His "leagues" valuation is completely superficial. Some of the ladies ARE attractive to him it's just they tend to have one kid . The less attractive ones tend to be "heavy"(er) than he prefers. He can be a great GUY to them and give them a great sex life, getting what he needs out of the process. His current game is going to keep failing. He needs to be having sex and In he company of ladies who give him a great valuation. His game will explode literally over night. Im tired of him making himself suffer. Plus, in 2018 you can't "look for a girlfriend", the vibe is needy and unattractive . Women desire men who other women are choosing .

So he can do this in a respectful fashion where everyone gets what they need. I bet 200% that many of the ladies he turns his nose down at are great with hearts of gold.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

that's what i am asking

if this is how the game naturally is, then I understand

The other guys scoring with these "hot" girls are popular or something like that. They might most likely be "uglier" than you too... That's how the game is.

You will be able to hook women a level or less below you in looks. They will have a strong desire and want to help you .

The level your trying to get into you will have an easy time if you have a good position in their circle. Those types of ladies are very political and status oriented. They won't break the rules no matter how fine you are. (Except if all their friends approve)

The positive in this though is once you obtain a good stature with even ONE of these "hot" ones, others will open the door to you as well . They are very competitive.

 

[Misterchaos]

Guru1000 took all the hot women, and he doesn't share.

cmon brah share just one...promise to give er back. I swear on the saltiness of a sunflower seed.

 

[bigdave17]

Your hatred/fear of rejection is constantly reinforcing the idea in your head that becoming even better than you are now is going to spare you from that rejection. More money, better wardrobe, better body, etc. = less odds of being rejected.

Now, this mentality is often very true, particularly for men who go through the process of some significant self improvement. Going from a chubby kid to having a rock hard beach bod is going to make a big difference in how women see you, and it does in fact often lead to less rejection.

However, there is a point in which you are going to plateau, and if all of the things you say about yourself are true, then you have already reached that point. From this point on, the next improvement above what you already possess will have to be a fairly big leap to see a noticeable difference with women.

If you are currently making ballpark $200K/yr, making $300K/yr. is not going to lead to any significant changes in your situation with women. You have to jump up into the $1,000,000+ bracket to see the next level of significant change in how women react based on that particular facet about you.

If you are already fit, lean, muscular and looking great on the beach, knocking off 2% more body fat or adding another inch to your biceps is not going to lead to any significant changes in your situation with women. You basically have to go Schwarzenegger to see the next level of noticeable change in how women who are attracted to that particular trait will react in new ways that they didn't before.

You want to step up to the next level or wardrobe from $200 Bugatchi shirts? You're going to have to start wearing $5000 suits to turn the heads of fashionista ladies away from the Bugatchi wearing guys.

After that plateau point, you have to go much bigger then you ever did before to keep the idea valid that more self improvement will lead to less rejection.

HOWEVER, you're already situated to the extent that you do not need to make these leaps to attract a good woman. You need to abandon all thoughts to that regard. You do not need to be a millionaire to find a good woman. You do not need to wear a $5000 suit to attract a good woman. The idea that you have to better yourself is no longer going to work for you the way it did before. It will not lead to results unless you make those massive leaps, which are unnecessary.

What you are looking for, and the way you are trying to go about finding it, is now the only problem you have. Nothing else. Just this.






You need to change the way you socialize with women that often results in rejection to begin with.

You often say that you find the women you're interested in to be in situations where it seems impossible for you to approach.

It is not the situation that makes it impossible. It is your approach that forces it to be that way. In your mind, approaching a woman is the explicit act of expressing your sexual interest in her. When a woman is surrounded by her friends and is simply socializing, injecting yourself into that general context with a sexual request is what often draws rejection. You end up being like a telemarketer who calls people during dinner time to request "a few minutes of their time" so you can try to sell them a tropical vacation.

People do not hang up the phone on these telemarketers because they don't like tropical vacations, Dave. They hang up because the approach sucks and it's annoying.

You are the tropical vacation.
The women in their impossible situations are having their dinner.
Your approach is the telemarketers phone call.

This is largely why you are not getting "a few minutes of their time" so that you can reveal all of the good qualities that you claim to have but supposedly never get a chance to display.

If you want to open and start talking to women, all women, hot women, you need to learn how to draw all people around you into conversations.

Last weekend I ended up at a rooftop lounge with a plate and we hit the balcony area for a while. We were sitting there having drinks and talking about open relationships, whether they work or not, etc. A blonde came over and sat next to us at some point, minding her own business, and after a few minutes I looked at her and said, "We're sorry! This poor girl! She has to sit here and listen to us talk about all of this stuff!" .

"Oh no! I don't mind at all!" she said. From that point on she jumped right into the conversation with her own opinion. She had a British accent and that lead into another conversation about her visit to the States, what shes been doing during her visit, places she should check out, where she is staying.... She became part of the conversation for over 30 minutes.

You need to learn how to do that.

great post

 

[zekko]

I make out with a hot 19yo while my HB7+ date went to the bathroom at a club

That sounds kind of greasy.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

will hot quality women like me if i pursue them?

I just don't get it, if I'm not good enough then who is dating these women?? Very very very few men have me beat in looks, status and money

No!

They'll USE you if you pursue. This is 2018 . It makes you look thirsty and gives her your power . Females choose and will pursue who they desire. Nothing for you to do but note their choosing signals. Eye contact and body language are their main signals. If they don't choose you don't waste alot of attention on them. It's not helpful.

 

[guru1000]

Your hatred/fear of rejection is constantly reinforcing the idea in your head that becoming even better than you are now is going to spare you from that rejection. More money, better wardrobe, better body, etc. = less odds of being rejected.

Now, this mentality is often very true, particularly for men who go through the process of some significant self improvement. Going from a chubby kid to having a rock hard beach bod is going to make a big difference in how women see you, and it does in fact often lead to less rejection.

However, there is a point in which you are going to plateau, and if all of the things you say about yourself are true, then you have already reached that point. From this point on, the next improvement above what you already possess will have to be a fairly big leap to see a noticeable difference with women.

If you are currently making ballpark $200K/yr, making $300K/yr. is not going to lead to any significant changes in your situation with women. You have to jump up into the $1,000,000+ bracket to see the next level of significant change in how women react based on that particular facet about you.

If you are already fit, lean, muscular and looking great on the beach, knocking off 2% more body fat or adding another inch to your biceps is not going to lead to any significant changes in your situation with women. You basically have to go Schwarzenegger to see the next level of noticeable change in how women who are attracted to that particular trait will react in new ways that they didn't before.

You want to step up to the next level or wardrobe from $200 Bugatchi shirts? You're going to have to start wearing $5000 suits to turn the heads of fashionista ladies away from the Bugatchi wearing guys.

After that plateau point, you have to go much bigger then you ever did before to keep the idea valid that more self improvement will lead to less rejection.

HOWEVER, you're already situated to the extent that you do not need to make these leaps to attract a good woman. You need to abandon all thoughts to that regard. You do not need to be a millionaire to find a good woman. You do not need to wear a $5000 suit to attract a good woman. The idea that you have to better yourself is no longer going to work for you the way it did before. It will not lead to results unless you make those massive leaps, which are unnecessary.

What you are looking for, and the way you are trying to go about finding it, is now the only problem you have. Nothing else. Just this.






You need to change the way you socialize with women that often results in rejection to begin with.

You often say that you find the women you're interested in to be in situations where it seems impossible for you to approach.

It is not the situation that makes it impossible. It is your approach that forces it to be that way. In your mind, approaching a woman is the explicit act of expressing your sexual interest in her. When a woman is surrounded by her friends and is simply socializing, injecting yourself into that general context with a sexual request is what often draws rejection. You end up being like a telemarketer who calls people during dinner time to request "a few minutes of their time" so you can try to sell them a tropical vacation.

People do not hang up the phone on these telemarketers because they don't like tropical vacations, Dave. They hang up because the approach sucks and it's annoying.

You are the tropical vacation.
The women in their impossible situations are having their dinner.
Your approach is the telemarketers phone call.

This is largely why you are not getting "a few minutes of their time" so that you can reveal all of the good qualities that you claim to have but supposedly never get a chance to display.

If you want to open and start talking to women, all women, hot women, you need to learn how to draw all people around you into conversations.

Last weekend I ended up at a rooftop lounge with a plate and we hit the balcony area for a while. We were sitting there having drinks and talking about open relationships, whether they work or not, etc. A blonde came over and sat next to us at some point, minding her own business, and after a few minutes I looked at her and said, "We're sorry! This poor girl! She has to sit here and listen to us talk about all of this stuff!" .

"Oh no! I don't mind at all!" she said. From that point on she jumped right into the conversation with her own opinion. She had a British accent and that lead into another conversation about her visit to the States, what shes been doing during her visit, places she should check out, where she is staying.... She became part of the conversation for over 30 minutes.

You need to learn how to do that.

Great post Amante.

To add, no matter how high on the SMV echelon you get, you will experience rejection. And if you are regularly dating 9s--and thus approaching them--you will get lots of rejection no matter who you are.

You have a choice. You can get a 9 every once in a while when they decide to approach you and/or the stars line up to make the approach right. Or approach regularly and learn to manage rejection.

The irony is the higher your SMV goes, the more often you will get rejected by women with SMV below yours, as they reject themselves to conserve ego.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Great post Amante.

To add, no matter how high on the SMV echelon you get, you will experience rejection. And if you are regularly dating 9s--and thus approaching them--you will get lots of rejection no matter who you are.

You have a choice. You can get a 9 every once in a while when they decide to approach you and/or the stars line up to make the approach right. Or approach regularly and learn to manage rejection.

The irony is the higher your SMV goes, the more often you will get rejected by women with SMV below yours, as they reject themselves to conserve ego.

He can have the 1+Million status and still get jerked around due to neediness and lack of game awareness.

Most of bigdave17 problems exist In his own mind and how he's going about things.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

I'm okay with approaching but why don't I have any easy opportunities where a hot woman wants me to approach her?

Why are the only ones showing me signs of interest so far below my league?

Mate this is like the 1,000th thread with the exact same inquiry, the exact same replies and you're asking the exact same questions.

As I've said a bunch of times - the "X/10" rating system is completely arbitrary. Chicks you consider "7/10" might be girls I think are "5/10" or girls I think are "10/10".

I'm betting your definition of a 7/10 is actually basically a 10/10, from what you've said in the past (in another thread you considered a yoga-going, round-butted, pretty faced gym chick "7/10", which seems like a big undervaluation).

So you're going for the apex of attractive women (while pretending you aren't) and wondering why they're not fawning over you. Probably because your goals are unrealistic and completely arbitrary too.

Also, again as so many people have said before, this attitude that the majority of fairly attractive women are "below" you is narcissistic and repellent. No attractive woman wants to be with some guy that thinks 90% of women are below him in some way.

Even if you're jacked, smart and funny...if you give the vibe that you're the sort of guy that watches his own body in the mirror when he's having sex because he's so full of himself...no one will want you.

Stop telling everyone how you're in the top 5% of men, top 25%, whatever...no one cares, here or anywhere else. Women don't care what you think of yourself - all they see is a guy constantly patting himself on the back and not getting anywhere with dating.

Go out and DATE a woman, have sex with some women, stop worrying about if they're LTR material and preening over yourself.

 

[17 shots]

Why are you always comparing yourself to every other guy in the room

That's so weird, who does that

 

[IKO69]

Mate this is like the 1,000th thread with the exact same inquiry, the exact same replies and you're asking the exact same questions.

As I've said a bunch of times - the "X/10" rating system is completely arbitrary. Chicks you consider "7/10" might be girls I think are "5/10" or girls I think are "10/10".

I'm betting your definition of a 7/10 is actually basically a 10/10, from what you've said in the past (in another thread you considered a yoga-going, round-butted, pretty faced gym chick "7/10", which seems like a big undervaluation).

So you're going for the apex of attractive women (while pretending you aren't) and wondering why they're not fawning over you. Probably because your goals are unrealistic and completely arbitrary too.

Also, again as so many people have said before, this attitude that the majority of fairly attractive women are "below" you is narcissistic and repellent. No attractive woman wants to be with some guy that thinks 90% of women are below him in some way.

Even if you're jacked, smart and funny...if you give the vibe that you're the sort of guy that watches his own body in the mirror when he's having sex because he's so full of himself...no one will want you.

Stop telling everyone how you're in the top 5% of men, top 25%, whatever...no one cares, here or anywhere else. Women don't care what you think of yourself - all they see is a guy constantly patting himself on the back and not getting anywhere with dating.

Go out and DATE a woman, have sex with some women, stop worrying about if they're LTR material and preening over yourself.

Great post - required reading.

Also if a guy genuinely does have going for him what is claimed in this thread - remember this - he probably wouldn't be making these threads in the first place. Yes I am calling bull**** on any "I am better than 95% of guys I come across in the looks department but yet I can't still get women and I will complain about it" kind of posts.