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Do you have such high SMV where you can do little work and simply send a few messages? There's no way a regular guy can send a few messages on social media and get her out for drinks. She's getting bombarded by a ton of attention and messages from beta orbiters who tell her how amazing she is.
My thoughts exactly. Sounds like celebrity-like attention from the ladies here. It goes back to what people argue about how much this cost for this type of Chad vs a regular guy. Would you really want to jump all sorts of hoops, get into shape, get plastic surgery, approach 1000 girls, learn and run game etc...just to attract one of these types of girls this guy just has to send a few messages on social media for and wants to get rid of while she wants him? Sounds like a feast or famine deal. How many of ladies probably have an orbiter, friend-zoned guy, boyfriend or husband that she's screwed over dealing with these guys? This is why MTGOW ideas make sense.
 
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Do you have such high SMV where you can do little work and simply send a few messages? There's no way a regular guy can send a few messages on social media and get her out for drinks. She's getting bombarded by a ton of attention and messages from beta orbiters who tell her how amazing she is.
I definitely do not shower them with attention like they probably get from other guys. Again, if she has interest and attraction to me, she will be easy to get out for a drink or two. If she doesnt, she wont. I dont bat 1.000 but I do well. I do hear from women how most guys will shower them with attention and blow up their inbox, drag it out and really not ask them out.

I however am very direct and straight forward so it is different from the type of attention they normally get I guess.

My thoughts exactly. Sounds like celebrity-like attention from the ladies here. It goes back to what people argue about how much this cost for this type of Chad vs a regular guy. Would you really want to jump all sorts of hoops, get into shape, get plastic surgery, approach 1000 girls, learn and run game etc...just to attract one of these types of girls this guy just has to send a few messages on social media for and wants to get rid of while she wants him? Sounds like a feast or famine deal. How many of ladies probably have an orbiter, friend-zoned guy, boyfriend or husband that she's screwed over dealing with these guys? This is why MTGOW ideas make sense.
For starters, you shouldnt be jumping through hoops for any chick as you have already lost frame before it ever starts. If you have a solid frame and stay within it when dealing with these women, most wouldnt give a thought to screwing you over because they know as soon as they screw up you will walk.

I can tell you that some of the chicks that I pull have orbiters but I just dont bring it up because IDGAF. I dont get friend zoned because they either accept my drinks offer or I move on without sticking around for orbiting chit chat. You should be leading them into what you want and they will make it easy or you will not invest any more time into it with her.
 

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I feel like you’re talking to yourself here.
I'm not talking about myself here at all. If you read what many men around SS say it echoes the disillusionment that I hear from men within my social circle. That is what I quoted from @fastlife in my first response. This is something men who have attained sexual abundance are experiencing - the disillusionment etc. and the emptiness. In fact, here's a link:

https://www.thetrumpet.com/7750-the-emotional-corrosion-of-casual-sex

But you can also feel a difference in behavior now vs a decade ago. I was a kid and I still see a noticeable difference.
Just keep in mind that you are also ten years older and therefore your perspective is changing/developing/evolving over time (and it will continue to do so throughout your life). Some of the men in their 20s and 30s will tell you how their perceptions have adjusted as they have gained life experience. Sometimes understanding comes more out of our own experience evolution than a real changing of the landscape.

Do you have such high SMV where you can do little work and simply send a few messages? There's no way a regular guy can send a few messages on social media and get her out for drinks. She's getting bombarded by a ton of attention and messages from beta orbiters who tell her how amazing she is.
It's not so much about SMV (although SMV does matter) as it is about evaluating the woman's interest level. A regular guy can ABSOLUTELY send a few messages and get her out on a date IF HER INTEREST LEVEL IS HIGH ENOUGH. Now we can argue about whether her high interest must be intrinsic or if there are ways to elevate her interest level vis a vis "game"...but if she has high enough interest she will meet you for a date, and therefore demonstrate by her action and investment that she is receptive to you. So this is a means of screening in favor of high interest women, which is the group you should be choosing from to start with.

There are women who will show any given man high interest.

Now. If you don't like the strata of women who are showing you high interest...that is where self improvement and elevating your SMV comes into play. Victoria's Secret models are not going to date skinny fat gamers who live in mom's basement playing video games all day with no job and no prospects. So men must look honestly in the mirror to see who the high interest women they can pull actually are...and improve from there.
 

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Sometimes understanding comes more out of our own experience evolution than a real changing of the landscape.
I’ve learned to trust my instincts. I’ve felt that things have changed, but I also took into consideration what you’ve said too that maybe it’s because I was so young and there’s something that I was missing. But within my judgement, I took that into careful consideration. Still, I need to know for sure. So I asked those older than me. Younger people, middle-aged adults, and even people in their 60s and 70s. It’s not just coming from my imagination, other people have noticed it too. Not just women. Just people in general.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I got a modern perspective of "pump and dump" from a 32 years old. She was an active guy crazy ho3 . I'd imagine pumped and dumped alot.

She felt if a guy didn't "pump and dump" he must be weak. She wanted relationship with men who barely wanted her for sex and used men who valued her . They are all doing this.
 
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