How to lead SMV with your physique?

[Knight of Roses]

For those of my brothers who are physically gifted, how do you utilize your superior physiques in your overall mindset/game?

I've made significant gains in the gym over the past 6 months however I haven't noticed a significant change in my game results. While I'd like to think I have a proper red pill mindset, I feel that I'm missing something. Are there any tweaks you would all suggest so that I can rely more heavily on my superior physical attributes?

 

[CBear]

For those of my brothers who are physically gifted, how do you utilize your superior physiques in your overall mindset/game?

I've made significant gains in the gym over the past 6 months however I haven't noticed a significant change in my game results. While I'd like to think I have a proper red pill mindset, I feel that I'm missing something. Are there any tweaks you would all suggest so that I can rely more heavily on my superior physical attributes?

Congrats on your gains. Having a better body is an added bonus. It's a perk to be bigger/in better shape than most people. There are plenty of ripped dudes who are awkward because they don't have game.
Some guys develop a very narcissistic attitude due to having good physiques and that can definitely help with their game imo.
You can also get away with certain things very well (ex. "flaunting" your body in public, dancing shirtless in the club, etc.). Even with clothes on that show your physique well, it's definitely easier to catch glances. Girls are much quicker to touch you as well. Having a better body than most people opens up more opportunities.

Lastly, I remember a thread from a couple days ago where it was discussed that night game requires more physicality and with this, being bigger is definitely beneficial. I plan on experimenting this when I return to the U.S. and turn 21.
However, I'm still wondering if having a better body than most people is more intimidating to women. I personally don't think it's ideal for a relationship as well but for spinning plates, it's definitely better.

 

[skinnyguy]

If you’re ripped, you should be a complete a**hole.

Those guys always get the most poon.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

For those of my brothers who are physically gifted, how do you utilize your superior physiques in your overall mindset/game?

I've made significant gains in the gym over the past 6 months however I haven't noticed a significant change in my game results. While I'd like to think I have a proper red pill mindset, I feel that I'm missing something. Are there any tweaks you would all suggest so that I can rely more heavily on my superior physical attributes?

Deezedbrah checking in.

@ op, don't bother. Do you mean, aesthetic shots? Wear fitted not tight. Dress the part. If you are using tinder, avoid bathroom shirtless pics. It's not attractive and looks gay. Full on homo. If you want, do action shots at the beach playing sports or Halloween party in a toga. It's funny and self-deprecating. It does the following without being try hard. If you compete and YOU WIN, sure, post your trophy Pic.

A chick said she would swipe left if she had known that I was as big as I am and showing it off. Translation: I would feel insecure with my weight, with my lazy ass, and lack of gym membership plus jealousy due to the fit women eyeing you.#femaleLogic


Play it down. If I push anymore, to beat out my FFMI (fat free muscle index), I need GEAR. Based on height, weight, body fat, there's definitely a peak. I can gain here and there but, there's a point of plateau. I gained hard this winter. I am leaning out, running, and playing sports.

Read Rollos book. Adopt red pill awareness. Take things with a grain of salt. He's a good man and resource but he got married lol so, put it into perspective.

Be unassuming, walk the walk, lead, let Bae follow or #nextset!

 

[Tilex]

Absolutely!
Wear tighter short sleeve t-shirts or muscle shirts.
Buy a size smaller than you would normally wear.
Avoid wearing dress shirts, formal wear, business suits, business casual, sweaters, jackets, farmer shirts, or anything that hides your body more than reveals it.
It pays off big time!

 

[zekko]

This is a little off topic, but I was reading the RSD forum yesterday, and there was a thread on there about guys who were overweight, and what kind of success they could expect. Basically the overweight guys were told to forget it, all they could expect to get was other fatties.

I just thought this was interesting, considering it was on the RSD forum. Owen used to be overweight himself, and it wasn't that many years ago when they would outright ridicule anyone who thought that looks mattered at all. Back then the party line was that attraction was based on behavior, not looks. Even here on SoSuave they would delete your thread for talking about looks. The whole subject was taboo. It always amazes me how attitudes have changed with the times.

 

[ohrein]

This is a little off topic, but I was reading the RSD forum yesterday, and there was a thread on there about guys who were overweight, and what kind of success they could expect. Basically the overweight guys were told to forget it, all they could expect to get was other fatties.

I just thought this was interesting, considering it was on the RSD forum. Owen used to be overweight himself, and it wasn't that many years ago when they would outright ridicule anyone who thought that looks mattered at all. Back then the party line was that attraction was based on behavior, not looks. Even here on SoSuave they would delete your thread for talking about looks. The whole subject was taboo. It always amazes me how attitudes have changed with the times.

Looks matter, but it's not all that matters. If you're on either extreme end of physicality (IE ugly or overweight vs buff dude), then you're the exceptions that prove the rule. Hot dudes, like hot women, have it easier and ugly overweight dudes, like ugly overweight women, have it harder. However, game can compensate for either end as well. If you're a hot guy with zero game, you're going to do worse than you look. If you're a fat guy with great game, you're going to do better than you look. Most guys are average looking by definition and game will help immensely on separating them from the pack.

The problem, as with a lot of red pill concepts, is people treat them as absolutes when they're multivariate. Everything is important and unimportant to some degree.

 

[sosousage]

maybe you are not ripped?

also nowadays in tinder era all these thoots want u also to have good look and good job so

 

[zekko]

[QUOTE="ohrein, post: 2545262, member: 132347"The problem, as with a lot of red pill concepts, is people treat them as absolutes when they're multivariate. Everything is important and unimportant to some degree.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that 10 years ago in the community, the PUA guys would laugh in your face if you thought looks mattered. At ALL. In fact, on this forum you were not even allowed to discuss it. Because suggesting that looks were a factor was viewed as being counterproductive.

Contrast this to today, when they are basically telling overweight guys on the RSD forum that they basically have no hope of getting any women unless they were also fat. Now I'm not saying I agree with that, but it's amazing to me because RSD was one of the last holdouts for the "Looks Don't Matter" philosophy.

 

[sosousage]

I'm saying that 10 years ago in the community, the PUA guys would laugh in your face if you thought looks mattered. At ALL. In fact, on this forum you were not even allowed to discuss it. Because suggesting that looks were a factor was viewed as being counterproductive.

Contrast this to today, when they are basically telling overweight guys on the RSD forum that they basically have no hope of getting any women unless they were also fat. Now I'm not saying I agree with that, but it's amazing to me because RSD was one of the last holdouts for the "Looks Don't Matter" philosophy.

i dont think fat guys can get fat girls any more.. ha ha

 

[ohrein]

I'm saying that 10 years ago in the community, the PUA guys would laugh in your face if you thought looks mattered. At ALL. In fact, on this forum you were not even allowed to discuss it. Because suggesting that looks were a factor was viewed as being counterproductive.

Contrast this to today, when they are basically telling overweight guys on the RSD forum that they basically have no hope of getting any women unless they were also fat. Now I'm not saying I agree with that, but it's amazing to me because RSD was one of the last holdouts for the "Looks Don't Matter" philosophy.

Weird. I don't remember it being that black and white. The guys I read like David DeAngelo talked a lot about getting fit and having style. But they also pointed out it wasn't the be all and end all. That said, there's not much point talking about looks at all. Like, what can you do? You hit the gym, get some style and... ? There's nothing to discuss about it. Fixating on looks will turn it into a limiting belief, as in something that will only hold you back. You can't change your looks beyond fitness and clothing and so it's much more worthwhile to focus on the things you can change drastically. Confidence and humor will improve your dating life far more than a year in the gym and some new clothes. Do them both and holy cow you're going to see a massive improvement. But my ten years of experience and paying attention to this stuff puts game well above looks in importance.

 

[Murk]

I'm not ripped at all but I'm not fat, and my face/personality makes up for any failings.

I have noticed more success in the couple of months I've been eating healthy and exercising, but I think that's mainly the confidence in my self.

You don't need to have a ripped body to be successful with hb8+ women I can say that as a fact

 

[Knight of Roses]

I think you boys are missing the point of this conversation. The question is not whether a hot body is necessary but rather if one has the body that dictates strength and power, how to utilize a game mindset that relies on the physique more? When I didn't have the physique I led with my personality. Now that I have the physique, can I lead more with the body than the personality?

 

[Knight of Roses]

Deezedbrah checking in.

@ op, don't bother. Do you mean, aesthetic shots? Wear fitted not tight. Dress the part. If you are using tinder, avoid bathroom shirtless pics. It's not attractive and looks gay. Full on homo. If you want, do action shots at the beach playing sports or Halloween party in a toga. It's funny and self-deprecating. It does the following without being try hard. If you compete and YOU WIN, sure, post your trophy Pic.

A chick said she would swipe left if she had known that I was as big as I am and showing it off. Translation: I would feel insecure with my weight, with my lazy ass, and lack of gym membership plus jealousy due to the fit women eyeing you.#femaleLogic


Play it down. If I push anymore, to beat out my FFMI (fat free muscle index), I need GEAR. Based on height, weight, body fat, there's definitely a peak. I can gain here and there but, there's a point of plateau. I gained hard this winter. I am leaning out, running, and playing sports.

Read Rollos book. Adopt red pill awareness. Take things with a grain of salt. He's a good man and resource but he got married lol so, put it into perspective.

Be unassuming, walk the walk, lead, let Bae follow or #nextset!

So what you're suggesting is that I should employ the same game / mindset that I had prior to the physique. Let my physique be an icing to the personality rather than relying on it heavily to attract?

 

[Billtx49]

Regardless of your physique when you walk into a room, bar, or whatever, have the mindset that you own it. Nothing else matters.

 

[Macaframalama]

I think you boys are missing the point of this conversation. The question is not whether a hot body is necessary but rather if one has the body that dictates strength and power, how to utilize a game mindset that relies on the physique more? When I didn't have the physique I led with my personality. Now that I have the physique, can I lead more with the body than the personality?

There's really no way to fake it. You either look strong and powerful or you are strong and powerful. You can easily be the "Man" around a bunch of other guys, that aren't so masculine, but you won't find the top tier baddies there. You need to be in the proximity of the genuine article, competing against them for the top notch women and even then, looking the part rarely means chit. Sooner, rather than later you are going to get mettle tested if you are out competing in meat markets (the one place, where LMS mean more, than just about anything else). I'm 6'5/325, traps to my ears and shoulders wider than most doorways. My reputation carries me out and about where I'm from, but you would be surprised how many times I've had to flex on drunks in bars and clubs, when out in other cities. It's not really a mindset, that you can adapt, it's a lifestyle. One that requires skin in the game.

 

[ohrein]

Now that I have the physique, can I lead more with the body than the personality?

Not really. From my observations basically women will just be more receptive to you on average, since a nice physique appeals to a larger number of women. You'll do better on Tinder which is predicated on looks initially. It surprises me that guys really think being good looking is all you need though. Are you just going to stand around and let the woman look at how hot you are and then that's it? I guess for one night stands you could talk minimally, but I just don't understand the mindset. When I had plates that would just come around for hook ups, we'd still spend time hanging out as well. The plates that lasted were women who found me interesting and who I found interesting because who wants to hang around in bed with a boring or shallow person just to get laid? Finally, I know plenty of guys with great physiques who have no luck with women so to me it's obvious it's barely a crutch. If you can't hold a woman's interest for more than an hour, I really don't think it matters what you look like.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Go drench that hot body in sex (annointing) . That sexialized swag will attract honies. Don't be "dry".

 

[ohrein]

In my opinion it's not complicated. An exceptionally fit body commands attention and respect. There are no tricks or physique maneuvers to recommend. Very few have the discipline and desire to maintain such a physique. Which in my opinion is what attracts women to begin with.

Do you think it only attracts women to begin with and will not hold interest?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

So what you're suggesting is that I should employ the same game / mindset that I had prior to the physique. Let my physique be an icing to the personality rather than relying on it heavily to attract?

Rsd tyler once said that, the scent of the the stake is not the steak. It's not like, you jump on Gear, show up to the bar or club, and expecting women to just feed you grapes and suck your ****.

It's about establishing actual game. Like, if I own a Lambo, I can show up to a club in it, and I don't need to bring up that I own it. It's self evident. I am deezed. I don't need to tell her that I am. It's self evident.

Now, I wouldn't say that, you should strive for the same game. You should employ different types of things, dress up in better fitting clothing, aim for the highest good, and go into the world to win. Winning at life by your definition and way of being. Obv, live and learn. Set up a standard. Go get baes.

I am coming back from a go nowhere dare. I am that guy. I am as Alex said, the sort of man who makes moves. It doesn't matter what moves I make. It just matters that I am a man and I make moves authentic to my being. Proceed accordingly.

Lastly, like a broken record, I pursue too form smv. It is the holy grail of pickup. That being, 18-23 top form smv. First or last. Anything but is first loser. I will pull if aesthetics are banging but trolling be had when she talks cereal relationship, monogamy, marriage, babies. I want her at her best years not her worst or plummeted smv.