Met 21 Year Old from Facebook - Is she playing games or just not interested?

Reyaj · May 28, 2018

Listen I agree most likely I'm out here but what do I have to lose? Just looking for the best follow up text to send.

MrWood · May 28, 2018

Reyaj said:
Yeah? What would my follow be if she responds with "?"

ignore until she give you something meaningful

Reyaj · May 28, 2018

MrWood said:
ignore until she give you something meaningful

Its an option lol. Its funny cause the fat girl I made out with texted me Friday telling me

MrWood said:
ignore until she give you something meaningful

I think I'm just going to ask her how everything went this weekend later on. Fvck it..

MrWood · May 28, 2018

Reyaj said:
I think I'm just going to ask her how everything went this weekend later on. Fvck it..

#facepalm

Reyaj · May 28, 2018

MrWood said:
#facepalm

You don't think saying we should rob a bank together is telegraphing too much interest? Granted I get its supposed to be funny and different

Reyaj · May 29, 2018

Well anyway I ended up texting her tonight "How did everything turn out this weekend"

She didn't respond for over 2 hours and i saw she was on Facebook messenger within that time frame so I was certain she saw the text. I'm pretty sure she isn't into me at this point.. but for the hell of it I decided to send something condescending... Here is how the rest of it played out...

Me: Well hopefully your ego minimizes one day. Would have been nice to be friends
15 mins later
Her: I literally just got home from driving all day. Wasn't ignoring you
Her: My girls placed really well thanks for asking
90 mins later
Me: Good job
6 mins later
Her: Thanks
5 mins later
Me: I don't like you anymore
10 mins later
Her: I'm sorry you feel that way, I wish you didn't but I understand
3 mins later
Me: Why do you wish I didn't feel that way?
10 mins later
Her: I thought we hit it off, unfortunately we went out right before I left for my busy weekend. Clearly you're upset with my lack of communication but I had a team to coach.
6 mins later (I tried something radical)
Me: ohh, I was traveling too, nothing to do with that. I just think you're a little too young
5 mins later (she called my bluff)
Her: Well I am, I am 21
5 mins later
Me:Yeah I am looking for a certain maturity level I realized
5 mins later
Her: Thats totally fine I couldn't agree more
2 mins later
Me: What do you agree with?
30 mins later
Her: Maturity level here is much different
5 mins later
Me: Yeah, plus I think you're all messed up from your ex
5 mins later
Her: um I know you didn't mean to say that out loud..

Anyway before any laments on my "AFC" texts please bear in mind that I considered myself out with this girl before I sent the follow up text. I was trying to experiment if there was anyway I could push her buttons somehow to jump start any interest. I tried with the age thing hoping it would make her want to qualify herself as being mature but she actually admitted to there being a difference lol I guess that could be low IL... but it looks like I hit a nerve with her ex though... Any suggestions on follow up?

AGAIN THIS IS A FCVKING EXPERIMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to make that clear before all the keyboard jockeys start chastizing me

Visionist · May 29, 2018

All instinct says Walk Away. You could friend zone her and use her to meet other girls though.

The Diver · May 29, 2018

Nothing there to follow up with, this was an awful buttheart txt game, even for experiment. You're miles off the mark with your text game and your mindset.

MrWood · May 29, 2018

yea.. super AFC, why did you engage her like this...
you are clearly invested in her emotions and you are reacting emotionally to her interaction/lack of

women DO NOT WANT you to invest in emotions on the 1/2/3rd dates
#facepalm

should have went with the bank robbing bit
(this was the first time she (HB8 milf) responded positively to what had been "friendly text" with no opening for me to lead on)

Spaz · May 29, 2018

MrWood said:
yea.. super AFC, why did you engage her like this...
you are clearly invested in her emotions and you are reacting emotionally to her interaction/lack of

women DO NOT WANT you to invest in emotions on the 1/2/3rd dates
#facepalm

should have went with the bank robbing bit
(this was the first time she (HB8 milf) responded positively to what had been "friendly text" with no opening for me to lead on)

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^^ Great example of how to game a woman - keeping her hooked with naughty suggestions.

AJ84 · May 29, 2018

Reyaj said:
Well anyway I ended up texting her tonight "How did everything turn out this weekend"

She didn't respond for over 2 hours and i saw she was on Facebook messenger within that time frame so I was certain she saw the text. I'm pretty sure she isn't into me at this point.. but for the hell of it I decided to send something condescending... Here is how the rest of it played out...

Me: Well hopefully your ego minimizes one day. Would have been nice to be friends
15 mins later
Her: I literally just got home from driving all day. Wasn't ignoring you
Her: My girls placed really well thanks for asking
90 mins later
Me: Good job
6 mins later
Her: Thanks
5 mins later
Me: I don't like you anymore
10 mins later
Her: I'm sorry you feel that way, I wish you didn't but I understand
3 mins later
Me: Why do you wish I didn't feel that way?
10 mins later
Her: I thought we hit it off, unfortunately we went out right before I left for my busy weekend. Clearly you're upset with my lack of communication but I had a team to coach.
6 mins later (I tried something radical)
Me: ohh, I was traveling too, nothing to do with that. I just think you're a little too young
5 mins later (she called my bluff)
Her: Well I am, I am 21
5 mins later
Me:Yeah I am looking for a certain maturity level I realized
5 mins later
Her: Thats totally fine I couldn't agree more
2 mins later
Me: What do you agree with?
30 mins later
Her: Maturity level here is much different
5 mins later
Me: Yeah, plus I think you're all messed up from your ex
5 mins later
Her: um I know you didn't mean to say that out loud..

Anyway before any laments on my "AFC" texts please bear in mind that I considered myself out with this girl before I sent the follow up text. I was trying to experiment if there was anyway I could push her buttons somehow to jump start any interest. I tried with the age thing hoping it would make her want to qualify herself as being mature but she actually admitted to there being a difference lol I guess that could be low IL... but it looks like I hit a nerve with her ex though... Any suggestions on follow up?

AGAIN THIS IS A FCVKING EXPERIMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to make that clear before all the keyboard jockeys start chastizing me

I can picture this kind of texting from a teenager but you are 40yrs old, texting about how you don't like her anymore and you guys could of been friends.

You should of let those feelings pass and not texted anything.

Now you have a 21yr old showing her friends what 'some older dude' texted her and laughing at it.

Experiment or not, you made yourself look pathetic with that text. One of the draws of dating an older man is that he is mature and calm cool and collected.

Just walk away from flakey girls and leave it at that.

Reyaj · May 29, 2018

lol yeah real shocking to see these responses hence my disclaimer.

Listen I am not invested in this girl at all. I have a girl and I'm always gaming women on the side. The whole point of me posting this account of what happend is to try and experiment and learn. Making a girl feel something even if its negative gives you more of a shot then making her feel nothing. The key is pushing her emotional buttons... But those who just "Next" or try to save some kind of "Pride" don't learn this.

I understand nexting and No Contact are important for protecting yourself but they aren't seduction! This is what I am fascinated with... Listen if I didn't text this girl anything there would have been no additional contact. If you want something to happen you have to take some kind of action. Anyway she had told me that her ex was in the millitary and super paranoid about her cheating while he was station abroad. He wired her apartment and crap like that.

So today I followed up today with another text

Me: What you told me about what happend was crazy how he bugged your place and stalked you. Just meant you might have a wall up now
Her: If thats what you want to believe, then thats fine.
Me: Why is that fine?
Her: Im not going to try and change your mind, it's like your looking for something to be wrong with me and I just don't have the time to counter argue whatever you make up in your head

So I'm not sure what my follow up will be here. I haven't responded yet... but noticed how I changed the frame here? Now its me looking for reasons to next her as opposed to the opposite..I am thinking I should reward her with a compliment then try and make her qualify herself... Either that or just follow up with a phone call. Not sure.. but I guess I'll make this decision on my own since I'm sure I'll get the same lame insults from you don juans who are bedding so many girls you barely have any time to post here lol

MrWood · May 29, 2018

that last exchange was more pathetic than the previous
#facepalm

AJ84 · May 29, 2018

Reyaj said:
lol yeah real shocking to see these responses hence my disclaimer.

Listen I am not invested in this girl at all. I have a girl and I'm always gaming women on the side. The whole point of me posting this account of what happend is to try and experiment and learn. Making a girl feel something even if its negative gives you more of a shot then making her feel nothing. The key is pushing her emotional buttons... But those who just "Next" or try to save some kind of "Pride" don't learn this.

I understand nexting and No Contact are important for protecting yourself but they aren't seduction! This is what I am fascinated with... Listen if I didn't text this girl anything there would have been no additional contact. If you want something to happen you have to take some kind of action. Anyway she had told me that her ex was in the millitary and super paranoid about her cheating while he was station abroad. He wired her apartment and crap like that.

So today I followed up today with another text

Me: What you told me about what happend was crazy how he bugged your place and stalked you. Just meant you might have a wall up now
Her: If thats what you want to believe, then thats fine.
Me: Why is that fine?
Her: Im not going to try and change your mind, it's like your looking for something to be wrong with me and I just don't have the time to counter argue whatever you make up in your head

So I'm not sure what my follow up will be here. I haven't responded yet... but noticed how I changed the frame here? Now its me looking for reasons to next her as opposed to the opposite..I am thinking I should reward her with a compliment then try and make her qualify herself... Either that or just follow up with a phone call. Not sure.. but I guess I'll make this decision on my own since I'm sure I'll get the same lame insults from you don juans who are bedding so many girls you barely have any time to post here lol

All I'm noticing is a man pestering a woman who clearly gives zero f**ks.
"If that's what you want to believe, that's fine" and "I just don't have the time to counter argue" is human speak for "I don't f**king care, now p**s off please."

What would you think if it was the other way around and she was the one texting you this nonsense?

Female perspective: You're two texts and one phone call away from being that "creepy dude" that she will post about on social media to warn others.

sazc · May 29, 2018

@Reyaj I get that you were just testing boundaries and throwing out phrases to see how she would react. I get that you are interested in "rewarding" her with a compliment because you are super curious to see how she will react.

I disagree, you haven't changed the frame at all. People don't verbalize perceived "issues" of another, unless they are butthurt for some reason.
You are walking a fine line of looking super crazy. She hasn't posted on social media about you yet, but she has shown her girlfriends your very odd texting conversations.

You should walk away from this one asap, esp if your social circle overlaps.

Reyaj · May 30, 2018

All I know is she's responding as opposed to not responding had I not said anything. I'm not about protecting my ego or my so called image when I don't give a fvck about someone. I'm not shocked at the responses from you all though, when you're mind is conditioned with dogma its hard to see things objectively and assess a situation. I'm not saying you're completely off, but anytime you read text that sets off an alarm means you believe in absolutes.. and no offense but I have enough "real world" experience to realize that absolutes don't exist.

AJ84 said:
All I'm noticing is a man pestering a woman who clearly gives zero f**ks.
"If that's what you want to believe, that's fine" and "I just don't have the time to counter argue" is human speak for "I don't f**king care, now p**s off please."

What would you think if it was the other way around and she was the one texting you this nonsense?

Female perspective: You're two texts and one phone call away from being that "creepy dude" that she will post about on social media to warn others.

@AJ84 I get your responses are going to gather likes as you preach the unquestionable Bible from from this forum. But ask yourself when is the last time you got laid using this from a girl 7 or up? Of course you can write whatever you want to impress others on here but you know the truth deep down.

sazc said:
@Reyaj I get that you were just testing boundaries and throwing out phrases to see how she would react. I get that you are interested in "rewarding" her with a compliment because you are super curious to see how she will react.

I disagree, you haven't changed the frame at all. People don't verbalize perceived "issues" of another, unless they are butthurt for some reason.
You are walking a fine line of looking super crazy. She hasn't posted on social media about you yet, but she has shown her girlfriends your very odd texting conversations.

You should walk away from this one asap, esp if your social circle overlaps.

Well I've been doing some push and pull with the texting.. But I have to admit I was surprised and found interesting that she said "she thought we hit it off"... Usually when a girl has low IL they use the texting that I sent to spin around as the reason we shouldn't continue when really it was their low IL to begin with. That was my gut feeling on this one but her responding back with that and basically making the frame of "I have an issue with her" I think is progress... I'm not saying I'll convert on this one (not sure I even want to actually anymore) but I know despite what all these brainwashed folks say I have more of a chance to now had I just ghosted her and not responded at all.

Anyway let me show the follow up conversation since the last I posted. Anyone who wants to give legit advice and not bash with the AFC or facepalm bs feel free. For those that don't save your fingers for jerking yourselves off. Sazc for what its worth at least your responses have come in a mature objective manner.

Me: You may be right.. i guess I didn't expect to like you as much as I did lol
a few mins later
Her: I'm not really sure what to say, this seems like something you need to sit with and think about
Her: Making things up about me doesn't necessarily help, but if that's what you need to talk yourself out of talking to me then who I am to stand in your way
4 hours later
Me: I thought about it
Me: and I had a profound revelation lol
A few mins later
Her: Okay
5 hours later
Me: Anyway I'd love to chat about the business idea we discussed
2 hours later
Her: Good I'm glad
Her: Is this a part of your revelation?
A few mins later
Me: No lol The revelation was more that you're awesome and unique
This morning
Her: oh well okay, thank you
A few mins later
Me: A week ago I would have got an aw

A few mins later
Her: "I'm sorry that I called you messed up, you're actually quite lovely and I promise to not make things up about you in my head ever again"
Her: aw Reyaj you're such a sweetheart

So I haven't responded back... I have to admit the conditioning of this forum has my instinct not wanting to say what she feels I should have said in the quotes as it puts her on a pedestal... So maybe this is where this logic is good, however on the other hand I don't know if answering with something ****y will do me any favors at this point... But with my nature there is no way I'm going to comply with what she is saying directly. Honestly I'm thinking chasing this girl is a risk I shouldn't take though as I am in a relationship and I wouldn't want her to find out and mess that up.

MrWood · May 30, 2018

she has no interest and is friendzoning you

Reyaj said:
Me: You may be right.. i guess I didn't expect to like you as much as I did lol
a few mins later
Her: I'm not really sure what to say, this seems like something you need to sit with and think about
Her: Making things up about me doesn't necessarily help, but if that's what you need to talk yourself out of talking to me then who I am to stand in your way

she is questioning why you are thinking about her, when you dont have a relationship.
WOMEN WONDER ABOUT MEN, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND

she shes you are clearly emotionally invested and is literally telling you that you a fcking delusional

Reyaj · May 30, 2018

MrWood said:
she has no interest and is friendzoning you

she is questioning why you are thinking about her, when you dont have a relationship.
WOMEN WONDER ABOUT MEN, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND

she shes you are clearly emotionally invested and is literally telling you that you a fcking delusional

Really, she's saying all that?

AJ84 · May 30, 2018

Reyaj said:
All I know is she's responding as opposed to not responding had I not said anything. I'm not about protecting my ego or my so called image when I don't give a fvck about someone. I'm not shocked at the responses from you all though, when you're mind is conditioned with dogma its hard to see things objectively and assess a situation. I'm not saying you're completely off, but anytime you read text that sets off an alarm means you believe in absolutes.. and no offense but I have enough "real world" experience to realize that absolutes don't exist.

@AJ84 I get your responses are going to gather likes as you preach the unquestionable Bible from from this forum. But ask yourself when is the last time you got laid using this from a girl 7 or up? Of course you can write whatever you want to impress others on here but you know the truth deep down.

Well I've been doing some push and pull with the texting.. But I have to admit I was surprised and found interesting that she said "she thought we hit it off"... Usually when a girl has low IL they use the texting that I sent to spin around as the reason we shouldn't continue when really it was their low IL to begin with. That was my gut feeling on this one but her responding back with that and basically making the frame of "I have an issue with her" I think is progress... I'm not saying I'll convert on this one (not sure I even want to actually anymore) but I know despite what all these brainwashed folks say I have more of a chance to now had I just ghosted her and not responded at all.

Anyway let me show the follow up conversation since the last I posted. Anyone who wants to give legit advice and not bash with the AFC or facepalm bs feel free. For those that don't save your fingers for jerking yourselves off. Sazc for what its worth at least your responses have come in a mature objective manner.

Me: You may be right.. i guess I didn't expect to like you as much as I did lol
a few mins later
Her: I'm not really sure what to say, this seems like something you need to sit with and think about
Her: Making things up about me doesn't necessarily help, but if that's what you need to talk yourself out of talking to me then who I am to stand in your way
4 hours later
Me: I thought about it
Me: and I had a profound revelation lol
A few mins later
Her: Okay
5 hours later
Me: Anyway I'd love to chat about the business idea we discussed
2 hours later
Her: Good I'm glad
Her: Is this a part of your revelation?
A few mins later
Me: No lol The revelation was more that you're awesome and unique
This morning
Her: oh well okay, thank you
A few mins later
Me: A week ago I would have got an aw
A few mins later
Her: "I'm sorry that I called you messed up, you're actually quite lovely and I promise to not make things up about you in my head ever again"
Her: aw Reyaj you're such a sweetheart

So I haven't responded back... I have to admit the conditioning of this forum has my instinct not wanting to say what she feels I should have said in the quotes as it puts her on a pedestal... So maybe this is where this logic is good, however on the other hand I don't know if answering with something ****y will do me any favors at this point... But with my nature there is no way I'm going to comply with what she is saying directly. Honestly I'm thinking chasing this girl is a risk I shouldn't take though as I am in a relationship and I wouldn't want her to find out and mess that up.

I've never gotten laid by psychologically manipulating a girl with borderline creepy texts. But, to be fair, I have never tried to get laid by a girl because I'm not into girls.

I'm giving you my perspective as a female on the receiving end of what you called your experiment. And it's weird to me.

But hey, if this tactic worked for you before, then disregard my opinion and keep us updated on the lay.

Reyaj · Jun 2, 2018

AJ84 said:
I've never gotten laid by psychologically manipulating a girl with borderline creepy texts. But, to be fair, I have never tried to get laid by a girl because I'm not into girls.

I'm giving you my perspective as a female on the receiving end of what you called your experiment. And it's weird to me.

But hey, if this tactic worked for you before, then disregard my opinion and keep us updated on the lay.

Sorry I didn't even realize you were a female. I gotta admit when I'm wrong so I'll do that now, my apologies. So I'll update on this situation which basically went to shvt lol I'm just really trying to figure this scenario out as I've had similar experiences with girls in the past. Was she really not interested at all or was this some kind of game? A lot of times if a girl isn't interested they just ghost or will tell you via text or something. In this scenario I felt we had a good date and she even said in her texts to me she thought we hit it off. But she definitely became distant after we met. In hindsight its obvious to think I should have been more direct in just asking her out again

So now I'll admit I went AFC butt hurt on her lol After that last text I posted above where she was trying to tell me what I was supposed to text her in ways of an apology I ended up texting her like 7 hours later at night not even acknowledging what she said. This was in the evening close to 9pm

Me: You free to talk in an hour?

Well she didn't respond at all... a few hours later I saw she was active on her Facebook messenger so I sent her a message there
Me: Peace lol
2 minutes later on Facebook messenger
Her: Peace?

I then send a follow up text to her phone saying something about her medical condition causing her to play games (low blow I know)

So I ended up going to bed and then i see 3 text responses on my phone close to 1am in the morning from her

Her: Yeah!
Her: And if by chance I don't answer I'm picking up the dog from my parents
Her: What?

So basically what I think is she tried to make it like she responded to my texts earlier and they just came in later... but I'm not buying it... I think she was trying to save face

I responded later that day with "What do you mean what" and she didn't respond back. That night I sent her a final text 'you're an idiot"

So that was the end of that. So again I'm just trying to figure out what the deal here was... Like I said I thought our first meeting went well and we kissed and everything but she seemed to be coy afterwards. While I agree a lot of girls with high IL like the fat chick I made out with who texted me randomly throughout the week will reach out is it normal for hotter girls to play coy like this? I mean isn't this what they call a shvt test? If so I sadly have not figured out how to pass these yet.

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