Being a Don Juan comes at a price

[captain55]

Does being a don Juan come at a price? in my opinion there are benefits to not escalating quickly if you want to get into a long-term relationship with a chick....

I’m not talking about screening her for potential wife material either...what I mean is sometimes escalating too quickly can cause women to categorize you as strictly a **** buddy... friends with benefits...or someone she only sees sexually.

Women don’t necessarily get into relationships with men they feel the most sexual attraction to. Sure a girl will develop brief feelings for you after you bang her right but she also sees a vulnerability and a wall will go up to protect herself on her end. The more she’s is attracted to you and the quicker she feels herself getting attached to sooner this happens.

Prove to her your relationship material? Nope that’s not your job. Just take your time with her. There is a price of being a Don Juan....you will bang more women long term, you will get friendzoned less, you will learn true confidence and inner game and be more attractive to women from a sexual point of view, but it is not the way to a meaningful deep relationship.

Don’t believe me? Think back to that hot chick you ****ed a while ago and see who her ex boyfriend was. Usually it’s a guy she friendzoned first, or a guy that was persistent as hell. She most likely didn’t bang the guy in the back of her car the first night even if she did with you.

I also know that being a dj has landed me some amazing short term flings, and saved me a lot of wasted time and money with women...but I’ve lost out on some quality women as well because they saw me as the ultimate player who they couldn’t trust. When you get a girl to give you head in a parking lot she’s not thinking “damn this guys a stud” she’s thinking “damn I cant take believe I just degraded myself like that with this guy I barely know. If he did this with me I can only imagine all the other women he does this with”

The last chick I was with was giving me rimjobs a month into dating her. Her ex hadn’t even gotten into her pants a month into dating her. My most recent fling, i went in to use the restrom and pulled her into the bathroom with me and ate her out. One thing led to another and it was 69 an hour into the first date.

Remember just because a chick isn’t a slut for you doesn’t necessarily mean she wasn’t a slut for someone else. Just because she didn’t put out for three dates doesn’t mean some guy wasn’t face****ing her in some bathroom stall two months ago who she’s just met. A guy with better game than you..who she never wanted a relationship with because he was too much for her to handle.

With that said...I don’t have any regrets. Bang as many chicks as you can and get it out of your system. Eventually you get tired of it and want something deeper and at that point escalating quickly might not be your best bet. Get to know her. Yeah she might want you to bend her over and **** the **** out of her the first date but that’s what she wants and it’s about what you want. Don’t let the fear of being friendzoned stop you from taking your time.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Don’t believe me? Think back to that hot chick you ****ed a while ago and see who her ex boyfriend was. Usually it’s a guy she friendzoned first, or a guy that was persistent as hell.

This is VERY true. I can state numerous examples of women who had LTRs and married guys they were friends with first. Being a DJ and Alpha aside, many relationship experts say if you want a successful marriage, marry someone you were actually friends with first.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I also know that being a dj has landed me some amazing short term flings, and saved me a lot of wasted time and money with women...but I’ve lost out on some quality women as well because they saw me as the ultimate player who they couldn’t trust.

This actually happens to me from time to time. Not to be too ****y, but I am in probably the top 5% of good looking males and keep myself in great shape. I own my own business and use C&F like a pro. So yes, I do have an easy time getting chicks and dating them and having sex with them short term but some do disappear and have outright told me they're into me but are having a hard time taking me serious and that I'm a bad bet long term because they think I'll cheat.

 

[guru1000]

This is what happens when you lead with your value (LMS) and don't build emotional intimacy. You become a human dildo with a revolving door of harems. This is fine if your motive.

However, if you want to keep chicks around long-term, you will need to learn how to build a strong emotional connection, which has nothing to do with whether you are or are not a DJ.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

You can always show her a ‘softer side’ of you that she ‘never knew was there’ before. But you can never show her a harder side of you that always had without scaring her away. Why? Because then she thinks that you have inner demons she doesn’t know about that you’re hiding, which means you are unstable and/or crazy.

 

[Roober]

I believe you are misinterpreting what it all represents...

First, nobody here is a don Juan, becoming a don juan is a journey, not a destination.

Secondly, getting laid is a symptom of working towards being a don juan, not the focus.

The determination of your success with a particular woman is determined by how well you match her values. This is basic human evolution. Values are outlined in many ways by many different successful coaches and mentors. And values are different for every single human being.

A couple examples...
1. Maslow's hierarchy - security, safety, belongingness, esteem, and self actualization
2. Tony Robbins- certainly, uncertainty, love, significance, growth, contribution
3. Many others which evolve around maslows

A properly socially calibrated person can identify someone's needs within 30 minutes of meeting them. They can then adjust their tactics to shape that person. Try it when you talk with people, ask, what are your needs?

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

It depends what you want. TBH I would argue being a DJ (at least at one point in your life) is a good thing whatever your end goals. There's nothing to stop you easing back on the throttle when you want to take things with one woman more "seriously".

There is one big hazard to being a "Don Juan", and that lies in falling too deep into it, I think. It's a fine line between being that guy who dates a lot and perhaps gets laid a lot...and being that guy who doesn't value sex at all.

If you're having sex constantly and it's increasingly meaningless eventually that starts to erode how you value women and your own self esteem. A lot of people who are "womanisers" are in reality just sex addicts trying to normalise that mental problem.

Equally if you're just doing it for your ego, that can rapidly build into a narcissistic complex where you become arrogant, and again, start dehumanising others. That's no longer personal betterment, and is one reason these guys can't last in a marriage or LTR.

However, there are lessons from "DJ lifestyle" that any man is wise to take on. It builds a lot of confidence and good social skills. It also trains you to not be a pushover or become a girl's b*tch (the reason why I started out on this path to betterment actually).

I've had the perspective of being the "friend guy" for years. Usually voluntarily, sometimes by the involuntary friend-zone. And yeah, despite what many men think, being platonic friends with girls can be meaningful and fun. I've had chicks I'm friends with buy me gifts when they see me and genuinely care about me in the way male friends would. However, ONLY do this if you have NO sexual interest in her, and if you're getting laid or at least dating on the side.

If you have a sexual interest and you're just being a friend without even trying to ask her out first, that's just setting yourself up for the pain train/becoming a girl-friend yourself. NOTHING is worse than being her straight gay best friend.

I've been there before, and basically girls will start using you just to raise their social proof by negging you in public. Once that frame is gone, your self-esteem goes with it.

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TLDR:

My goal personally is to become a DJ to develop confidence, frame, social skills and my own "presence" around women. But I'm not looking for soulless promiscuity or constant womanising because I think those things can turn into a problem if you don't keep them in check.

 

[BeExcellent]

This is what happens when you don't build emotional intimacy.

If you want to keep chicks around long-term, you will need to learn how to build a strong emotional connection, which has nothing to do with whether you are or are not a DJ.

Advice from the old lady: This, to me is the crux of the matter. It is easy to get laid. It is easy to learn "game" techniques, how to calibrate, how to socialize and etc. It is easy to become a player and to exist as a player. Men who aren't there yet may doubt this, but honestly that is the easy part.

Often the result is AWALT attitudes, seeing sex as a commodity, and (perhaps unintentionally) descending into nihilism or meaninglessness after a while. After all pretty women are everywhere and all women have the same anatomical features, right? Even the most sexually confident, brazenly unapologetic man who women desire and who has endless choice and abundance can end up eventually saying to himself:

"Is that IT?"

Too much choice creates its own set of issues in the human condition.

And then there is a hollowness, and unfulfilledness, a regret about inability to experience human connection or build bonds that happens. And it usually hits the serious players (if it's going to hit them at all) when they are in their 40s or 50s and start to understand that this "wall" comes for men too and in addition to that it would be nice to have a person who sees you as a human and someone you can bond with and grow with, and laugh with and throw off all the "game" BS with.

I know a number of men who have come through the ridiculous abundance/notorious player mold and they have all ended up in a similar place regarding women. They are OVER gorgeous women and hot bodies. They have been there, done that (and still do to varying degrees.) That's not to say they don't appreciate beauty and that's not to say they no longer enjoy the game...but they recognize the game's limitations to create authenticity and happiness. And they all have their own demons to wrestle with too, mostly along the lines of inability or difficulty to really open emotionally and to love freely. So now they look for women who are beautiful/hot but have MORE to offer. And they start to see how those women are rare & scarce because men who believed in a bit of the Disney fantasy are already paired with or even married to the best women. That is a bitter pill guys. In a way that is the most red pill realization of all because it requires a man to look in the mirror and take stock of what he is really bringing to the table. Besides LMS. Besides game. It requires a hard look at what you ARE as a human being.

Good women won't have men who are morally bankrupt and emotionally barren. And good women can read this like a beacon from a mile away. But if a man will undertake to see whether or not he is morally bankrupt and/or emotionally barren, he can go about addressing those things and his potential for meaningful relationships will renew itself.

Plenty of players surf the edge of nihilism IMO. They cycle through women endlessly but keeping an eye out for that chick who is MORE in case they run across her. And the real work starts when they do run across her. That makes for a rocky go of things for a while.

And in all the glamorization of the player archetype and the game and the idea of getting laid like a rockstar endlessly the basic human needs we all have gets lost. And there are too few posts about THAT around here.

But statistically speaking most men are simply trying to reach that abundant mindset, to see that it is really there...I think it is healthier to take the following stance, especially for the younger dudes here:

My goal personally is to become a DJ to develop confidence, frame, social skills and my own "presence" around women. But I'm not looking for soulless promiscuity or constant womanising because I think those things can turn into a problem if you don't keep them in check.

That^^^ is a man wise for his years. I bolded the cautionary part. Best not to learn this through experience. The road of experience has the potential to destroy a man's humanity. Seriously.

 

[captain55]

Advice from the old lady: This, to me is the crux of the matter. It is easy to get laid. It is easy to learn "game" techniques, how to calibrate, how to socialize and etc. It is easy to become a player and to exist as a player. Men who aren't there yet may doubt this, but honestly that is the easy part.

Often the result is AWALT attitudes, seeing sex as a commodity, and (perhaps unintentionally) descending into nihilism or meaninglessness after a while. After all pretty women are everywhere and all women have the same anatomical features, right? Even the most sexually confident, brazenly unapologetic man who women desire and who has endless choice and abundance can end up eventually saying to himself:

"Is that IT?"

Too much choice creates its own set of issues in the human condition.

And then there is a hollowness, and unfulfilledness, a regret about inability to experience human connection or build bonds that happens. And it usually hits the serious players (if it's going to hit them at all) when they are in their 40s or 50s and start to understand that this "wall" comes for men too and in addition to that it would be nice to have a person who sees you as a human and someone you can bond with and grow with, and laugh with and throw off all the "game" BS with.

I know a number of men who have come through the ridiculous abundance/notorious player mold and they have all ended up in a similar place regarding women. They are OVER gorgeous women and hot bodies. They have been there, done that (and still do to varying degrees.) That's not to say they don't appreciate beauty and that's not to say they no longer enjoy the game...but they recognize the game's limitations to create authenticity and happiness. And they all have their own demons to wrestle with too, mostly along the lines of inability or difficulty to really open emotionally and to love freely. So now they look for women who are beautiful/hot but have MORE to offer. And they start to see how those women are rare & scarce because men who believed in a bit of the Disney fantasy are already paired with or even married to the best women. That is a bitter pill guys. In a way that is the most red pill realization of all because it requires a man to look in the mirror and take stock of what he is really bringing to the table. Besides LMS. Besides game. It requires a hard look at what you ARE as a human being.

Good women won't have men who are morally bankrupt and emotionally barren. And good women can read this like a beacon from a mile away. But if a man will undertake to see whether or not he is morally bankrupt and/or emotionally barren, he can go about addressing those things and his potential for meaningful relationships will renew itself.

Plenty of players surf the edge of nihilism IMO. They cycle through women endlessly but keeping an eye out for that chick who is MORE in case they run across her. And the real work starts when they do run across her. That makes for a rocky go of things for a while.

And in all the glamorization of the player archetype and the game and the idea of getting laid like a rockstar endlessly the basic human needs we all have gets lost. And there are too few posts about THAT around here.

But statistically speaking most men are simply trying to reach that abundant mindset, to see that it is really there...I think it is healthier to take the following stance, especially for the younger dudes here:



That^^^ is a man wise for his years. I bolded the cautionary part. Best not to learn this through experience. The road of experience has the potential to destroy a man's humanity. Seriously.

Good post and I agree with the majority of this. The problem is you can’t just turn it on and off. You also don’t know what women are worth it until you truly get to know them and at that point she has already made her mind up as to what kind of guy she categorizes you as because first impressions are everything.

If you meet a quality chick that normally doesn’t put out until a guy spends some money on her, but you **** her in the back of an alley on the second date and realize she may be a quality chick it’s already too late at that point and she will never take you seriously. The bottom line is a woman will never trust a man to be loyal that gets her into the sack so easily.

 

[guru1000]

Advice from the old lady: This, to me is the crux of the matter. It is easy to get laid. It is easy to learn "game" techniques, how to calibrate, how to socialize and etc. It is easy to become a player and to exist as a player. Men who aren't there yet may doubt this, but honestly that is the easy part.

Often the result is AWALT attitudes, seeing sex as a commodity, and (perhaps unintentionally) descending into nihilism or meaninglessness after a while. After all pretty women are everywhere and all women have the same anatomical features, right? Even the most sexually confident, brazenly unapologetic man who women desire and who has endless choice and abundance can end up eventually saying to himself:

"Is that IT?"

Too much choice creates its own set of issues in the human condition.

And then there is a hollowness, and unfulfilledness, a regret about inability to experience human connection or build bonds that happens. And it usually hits the serious players (if it's going to hit them at all) when they are in their 40s or 50s and start to understand that this "wall" comes for men too and in addition to that it would be nice to have a person who sees you as a human and someone you can bond with and grow with, and laugh with and throw off all the "game" BS with.

I know a number of men who have come through the ridiculous abundance/notorious player mold and they have all ended up in a similar place regarding women. They are OVER gorgeous women and hot bodies. They have been there, done that (and still do to varying degrees.) That's not to say they don't appreciate beauty and that's not to say they no longer enjoy the game...but they recognize the game's limitations to create authenticity and happiness. And they all have their own demons to wrestle with too, mostly along the lines of inability or difficulty to really open emotionally and to love freely. So now they look for women who are beautiful/hot but have MORE to offer. And they start to see how those women are rare & scarce because men who believed in a bit of the Disney fantasy are already paired with or even married to the best women. That is a bitter pill guys. In a way that is the most red pill realization of all because it requires a man to look in the mirror and take stock of what he is really bringing to the table. Besides LMS. Besides game. It requires a hard look at what you ARE as a human being.

Good women won't have men who are morally bankrupt and emotionally barren. And good women can read this like a beacon from a mile away. But if a man will undertake to see whether or not he is morally bankrupt and/or emotionally barren, he can go about addressing those things and his potential for meaningful relationships will renew itself.

Plenty of players surf the edge of nihilism IMO. They cycle through women endlessly but keeping an eye out for that chick who is MORE in case they run across her. And the real work starts when they do run across her. That makes for a rocky go of things for a while.

And in all the glamorization of the player archetype and the game and the idea of getting laid like a rockstar endlessly the basic human needs we all have gets lost. And there are too few posts about THAT around here.

But statistically speaking most men are simply trying to reach that abundant mindset, to see that it is really there...I think it is healthier to take the following stance, especially for the younger dudes here:



That^^^ is a man wise for his years. I bolded the cautionary part. Best not to learn this through experience. The road of experience has the potential to destroy a man's humanity. Seriously.

This is true.

My point was more that most men here don't have the know-how in how to build a genuine emotional connection with women. So the DJ builds his LMS and game and bangs loads of hot women--which BTW accounts for maybe 5% of the posters on this site and yet is the only ideal strived for by many--BUT when the DJ finally gets there, he still fails in LTRs or long-term connects, as his "emotional intelligence" muscles have yet to be flexed, trained, and utilized.

I used the word "troopers" often. A "trooper" is a women who will remain in your circumference for life, come hell or high water, whether you are single or not, and in whatever good/bad choices you make and behaviors you practice. Boundaries are part of "forging troopers," yes, but emotionally connecting with your "troopers" is what forges steel out of her malleable clay essence.

 

[Knight of Roses]

Does being a don Juan come at a price? in my opinion there are benefits to not escalating quickly if you want to get into a long-term relationship with a chick....

I’m not talking about screening her for potential wife material either...what I mean is sometimes escalating too quickly can cause women to categorize you as strictly a **** buddy... friends with benefits...or someone she only sees sexually.

Women don’t necessarily get into relationships with men they feel the most sexual attraction to. Sure a girl will develop brief feelings for you after you bang her right but she also sees a vulnerability and a wall will go up to protect herself on her end. The more she’s is attracted to you and the quicker she feels herself getting attached to sooner this happens.

Prove to her your relationship material? Nope that’s not your job. Just take your time with her. There is a price of being a Don Juan....you will bang more women long term, you will get friendzoned less, you will learn true confidence and inner game and be more attractive to women from a sexual point of view, but it is not the way to a meaningful deep relationship.

Don’t believe me? Think back to that hot chick you ****ed a while ago and see who her ex boyfriend was. Usually it’s a guy she friendzoned first, or a guy that was persistent as hell. She most likely didn’t bang the guy in the back of her car the first night even if she did with you.

I also know that being a dj has landed me some amazing short term flings, and saved me a lot of wasted time and money with women...but I’ve lost out on some quality women as well because they saw me as the ultimate player who they couldn’t trust. When you get a girl to give you head in a parking lot she’s not thinking “damn this guys a stud” she’s thinking “damn I cant take believe I just degraded myself like that with this guy I barely know. If he did this with me I can only imagine all the other women he does this with”

The last chick I was with was giving me rimjobs a month into dating her. Her ex hadn’t even gotten into her pants a month into dating her. My most recent fling, i went in to use the restrom and pulled her into the bathroom with me and ate her out. One thing led to another and it was 69 an hour into the first date.

Remember just because a chick isn’t a slut for you doesn’t necessarily mean she wasn’t a slut for someone else. Just because she didn’t put out for three dates doesn’t mean some guy wasn’t face****ing her in some bathroom stall two months ago who she’s just met. A guy with better game than you..who she never wanted a relationship with because he was too much for her to handle.

With that said...I don’t have any regrets. Bang as many chicks as you can and get it out of your system. Eventually you get tired of it and want something deeper and at that point escalating quickly might not be your best bet. Get to know her. Yeah she might want you to bend her over and **** the **** out of her the first date but that’s what she wants and it’s about what you want. Don’t let the fear of being friendzoned stop you from taking your time.

Yes and No... We all know that alphas are rare, so most women, even high quality women marry what they perceive as "Mr.Good Enough". So of course, these are men who don't escalate quickly and will not be utilizing their value to their fullest extent. The issue then is, do you really want to be that man? Most of these relationships, even if they are the deep relationships you talk about, largely involve the male losing his frame at some point. So then, yes, the woman may consider him husband quality but he has undeniably lost a portion of his masculinity.

The goal would be then to remain the dangerous alpha that banged her on the first night at the same time have her want to commit exclusive with you if a LTR is what you hope for.

 

[ubercat]

This alpha stuff is a seasoning not the meal.

 

[captain55]

You don't want a relationship with that type of girl anyway. You don't want to wife up someone who has been having ONS over and over.

It depends what your looking for. I want kids...which is why I want to wife up a chick under 25 for various reasons. And a young promiscuous chick gets a "get out of jail for free card" with me. I will take a hot promiscuous 22 year old straight out of college over a 28 year old that " knows what she wants" and doesn't get around anymore. Reasons why...
1. they are hotter
2. They are young enough to mold into wife material even if they slotted it up in college. Most american women are damaged and ****ed up by the time they are approaching 30
3. More fertile which means healthier kids which I want someday
4. Will be hotter for longer

IF I was just seeking a companion and someone to date casually who I Was compatible with I would chose a chick in her late 20's or early 30's.

 

[btownbuck2012]

The last chick I was with was giving me rimjobs a month into dating her. Her ex hadn’t even gotten into her pants a month into dating her. My most recent fling, i went in to use the restrom and pulled her into the bathroom with me and ate her out. One thing led to another and it was 69 an hour into the first date.

This is what concerns me more than anything else. Women don't even give a second thought to entertaining 4,5 or 6 different guys all at the same time. Even if you're the guy she's f*cking, it doesn't mean there's not another guy who's getting some from time to time. This is where my previous disillusionment came from; the fact that no matter where you're at on the alpha beta scale, you're almost never the only guy.

So why invest in that? I'm pretty much turned off to relationships at this point. The ROI for my time and effort simply isn't there. Women are incapable of honoring it or even realizing it in their perspective.

 

[Spaz]

This is what concerns me more than anything else. Women don't even give a second thought to entertaining 4,5 or 6 different guys all at the same time. Even if you're the guy she's f*cking, it doesn't mean there's not another guy who's getting some from time to time. This is where my previous disillusionment came from; the fact that no matter where you're at on the alpha beta scale, you're almost never the only guy.

So why invest in that? I'm pretty much turned off to relationships at this point. The ROI for my time and effort simply isn't there. Women are incapable of honoring it or even realizing it in their perspective.

Clever.

It's true for the majority of womenfolk but there's a minority that exist. There's not many out there but they do exist.

Refocus your energies on those.

Also don't go looking for LTR's on OLD, bars, clubs, other popular joints.

My longest LTR's were women I got to know from the unlikeliest places; churches, temples, kindergartens and hospitals. They were worthy of being a wife, incredible women, it was me not ready to be tied down. There's some regrets there.

Whilst most of my short flings were from various cities in Asia, it gets easier to seduce women as you grow older, confidence and social standing plays a huge part in it. However it's all meaningless as the s€x and seduction becomes boring, it's just too easy. But a man has to be a player as there's a correlation between success in seduction and life - business, happiness, etc.

I'll cut this short, any one here who wants to wife up has to look for those women that has strong moral and religious beliefs, they tend to also not frequent all those popular places men frequently find easy pickings. And no they are not all wife materials there so screening is a must but chances are good that you'd get a keeper.

 

[AJ84]

Clever.

It's true for the majority of womenfolk but there's a minority that exist. There's not many out there but they do exist.

Refocus your energies on those.

Also don't go looking for LTR's on OLD, bars, clubs, other popular joints.

My longest LTR's were women I got to know from the unlikeliest places; churches, temples, kindergartens and hospitals. They were worthy of being a wife, incredible women, it was me not ready to be tied down. There's some regrets there.

Whilst most of my short flings were from various cities in Asia, it gets easier to seduce women as you grow older, confidence and social standing plays a huge part in it. However it's all meaningless as the s€x and seduction becomes boring, it's just too easy. But a man has to be a player as there's a correlation between success in seduction and life - business, happiness, etc.

I'll cut this short, any one here who wants to wife up has to look for those women that has strong moral and religious beliefs, they tend to also not frequent all those popular places men frequently find easy pickings. And no they are not all wife materials there so screening is a must but chances are good that you'd get a keeper.

Those kinds of women are likely better wife material in the context of being traditional and loyal yes. However the issue is typically women with strong moral and religious beliefs are not going to want to settle down with a guy who before meeting her had casual flings with tons of sl*ts.
The women you describe set the bar very high for the type of man they would choose to marry so it's a catch 22 for guys who want to mess around with lots of girls, and then when they tire of that decide roll over and think they will land into the waiting arms of a virtuous moral woman.

 

[ohrein]

I think @BeExcellent did a perfect job explaining it but I will add my two cents as well.

I think it depends on how you define a DJ. If you define a DJ merely as someone who has access to an abundance of women, the archetypal player, and you do not want that lifestyle, then it will come at a price. I certainly fell into that trap early into my journey and I was honestly sick of it by the time I was 24 to 25, let alone 40. When you have easy access to something, its value plummets. I agree with Rollo when he said men should experience that abundance in order to truly understand and internalize it, but I don't think there are many men who would be happy long term with a player lifestyle.

I personally define a DJ as someone who has a red pill understanding and a mastery of self. The combination of knowledge and the confidence and power to use it, however you see fit.

Additionally, while this may sound like a NAWALT argument, it isn't. The women you attract with pure alpha behavior are predominantly low quality. There are strong psychological reasons for this, anxious and avoidant attachment styles tend to attract each other for example. Women who are avoidant feed off of the anxieties that alpha aloofness conjure up for them. But avoidant women are in my opinion the worst women to have any bond with because they are subconsciously avoiding bonding. I could talk about this for a long time but I'll leave it at that one example.

The AWALT argument should only refer specifically to the psychological principles of attraction, not women as a whole package. We have all experienced different qualities in women, ergo, there are different types of women. It's not too much of a stretch to then say different types of women are going to be better or worse if you're aiming for healthy relationships (even in the short term). This is what quality means. It doesn't mean unicorns who aren't subject to hypergamy and love you unconditionally exist, it means there are some women better than others if you desire more than sex.

If you want access to high quality women for more than the short term, you will have to have a more balanced game than just pure alpha. Alpha ****s, beta bucks. Being the beta (with money and status) only gets you transactional sex and attention. Being the alpha gets you laid. As Rollo said, ideally you want to be a perfect blend of both. Being a blend of both allows a woman to feel animalistic attraction to you (she'll be wet just from you touching her with her clothes on) and feel secure in giving herself to you on a deeper level.

 

[captain55]

This is what concerns me more than anything else. Women don't even give a second thought to entertaining 4,5 or 6 different guys all at the same time. Even if you're the guy she's f*cking, it doesn't mean there's not another guy who's getting some from time to time. This is where my previous disillusionment came from; the fact that no matter where you're at on the alpha beta scale, you're almost never the only guy.

So why invest in that? I'm pretty much turned off to relationships at this point. The ROI for my time and effort simply isn't there. Women are incapable of honoring it or even realizing it in their perspective.

Well all you can really do is keep spinning plates from not getting oneitus when you come across a real good piece of ass. The right vag will **** you up. Just make sure to rock her world and **** her better than the next guy.

As a man that’s all you can do. Once you bang her a few times you have the right to express how you feel. If you want a relationship go for it, you already tapped that ass so you might as well. If she can have sex without getting emotionaly attached to some degree she’s most likely damaged, a borderline, a total slut with a crazy past count, or your just not hitting it right.

 

[captain55]

False dichotomy, the hot 22yo ho IS the 28 yo, minus 6 years. Niether are for relationships.

Lol, this is why Derek Jeter married a 23 year old right? You don’t think the guy could get any 30 year old on the planet?

 

[ubercat]

@captain55 you're putting too much emphasis in sex. Woman don't value it like we do. More than once I've had girls have hot sex with me the day they left me. I guess because they crave emotional stimulation they get off on the Bitter sweet quality