Entitled

[R.U.G.]

Men lead and court; women defer. This is the natural order of things. If she doesn't defer, she loses you. You nonetheless court.

To those men who want an egalitarian relation where sometimes you pay, and sometimes she pays--and all gender roles are split down the middle? Well then, sometimes she can be the bltch, and sometimes you can be. Tell her to bring her strap-on for you.

It's all about finding a healthily middle. Again, for a drink and tapas or a cheap event, it's inconsequential for me. Most bros I know do the same unless they are broke.

 

[guru1000]

It's all about finding a healthily middle. Again, for a drink and tapas or a cheap event, it's inconsequential for me. Most bros I know do the same unless they are broke.

IDGAF money in dating; it's petty thinking. I'll treat my friends and family too. That's my persona. I'm a gentlemen. If someone tries to capitalize on that, they lose my time and attention permanently. Simple.

As to women: I also expect a woman to be a traditional woman. So she will "invest" too as I see fit in many other areas.

 

[R.U.G.]

IDGAF money in dating; it's petty thinking. I'll treat my friends and family too. That's my persona. I'm a gentlemen. If someone tries to capitalize on that, they lose my time and attention permanently. Simple.

As to women: I also expect a woman to be a traditional woman. So she will "invest" too as I see fit in many other areas.

That works too. Again, a happy middle for yourself.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

IDGAF money in dating; it's petty thinking. I'll treat my friends and family too. That's my persona. I'm a gentlemen. If someone tries to capitalize on that, they lose my time and attention permanently. Simple.

As to women: I also expect a woman to be a traditional woman. So she will "invest" too as I see fit in many other areas.

So she ain't gonna be able to use you as a "food guy"?

 

[R.U.G.]

So she ain't gonna be able to use you as a "food guy"?

I guess, he likes the company. I've done it before too. When something is ingrained in your head, it's a hard habit to break. Thus, drinks and tapas for me is a happy medium. Sometimes, I luck out and I am able to take them to a place that accepts groupon. Yes, I have no problems using discounts and coupons on my dates. However, some women do. They do not last that long. That means, they are looking for someone with beta bucks and to take care of them financially. That ain't me.

 

[guru1000]

So she ain't gonna be able to use you as a "food guy"?

I don't remember the last time I did food on the first date. Hard to do when you are scheduling double- and triple-headers spread 30 minutes apart. I'm lucky if I can finish my drink.

But IF I had only one date that night, were hungry, and enjoying the company, a food bill for me is of no consequence. She is under no obligation to like me as I am under none to like her. If I decide to end the date impromptu, and not finish my first drink, I'm entitled to that too (as I've done quite often), as is she. I'd actually prefer raw authenticity and not play these little social contrivances of decorum. I do as I desire.

As to her "getting up one up on me": If my paying for some food is "her getting one up on me," who really has the bigger problem (in life)?

 

[R.U.G.]

Even at my very worst, i've seriously never demaned recompense on money spent for a first date. Neither have i heard about it by anyone that i know. I don't know if it's internet standards are different or what, but i find that completely bizarre the way it's being talked of like it's cool or something.

Guy completely sh1t the bed. Fvcked up the date and just snowballed into a completely embaressing clusterfvck.

The brother is a highly emotional beta male. Typical of this day and age. Chances are he was oozing desperation. They can sense that from a mile away. However, on the flip side, the brother has a point. Women, in general, nowadays, always expect the men to pay. So much for independent women...

 

[Soflobro#2]

The brother is a highly emotional beta male. Typical of this day and age. Chances are he was oozing desperation. They can sense that from a mile away. However, on the flip side, the brother has a point. Women, in general, nowadays, always expect the men to pay. So much for independent women...

Oh no they don't.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

Oh no they don't.

In my experience dating, the majority of women DO expect men to pay. I've never had a woman refuse when I say "let's split it", but I almost never do that.

Ranked from worst to best, you get one of the following when the check comes:
1. She does nothing and pretends the check isn't there
2. She reaches toward her purse in an obviously superficial attempt at getting her credit card - you both knowing she isn't fooling anyone
3. She asks you if she can pick up half the tab
4. She just automatically takes her card out and puts it down assuming she is paying for half, without saying anything.
5. She puts her card down and says she will take care of it

On a first date, most do #2, a few will do #1, a few do #3, a couple will do #4, and I've never experienced #5. #4 is my hands down favorite. I really respect it.

I haven't found much correlation between age, beauty, or success in which option a girl chooses. The last super hot 27 year old I went out on a few dates with did #4 every time. But I've had plenty of 38 year old women do #1. It all comes down to what kind of person she is on the inside.

Doesn't matter if it's dinner or two drinks. A check is a check.

 

[R.U.G.]

In my experience dating, the majority of women DO expect men to pay. I've never had a woman refuse when I say "let's split it", but I almost never do that.

Ranked from worst to best, you get one of the following when the check comes:
1. She does nothing and pretends the check isn't there
2. She reaches toward her purse in an obviously superficial attempt at getting her credit card - you both knowing she isn't fooling anyone
3. She asks you if she can pick up half the tab
4. She just automatically takes her card out and puts it down assuming she is paying for half, without saying anything.
5. She puts her card down and says she will take care of it

On a first date, most do #2, a few will do #1, a few do #3, a couple will do #4, and I've never experienced #5. #4 is my hands down favorite. I really respect it.

I haven't found much correlation between age, beauty, or success in which option a girl chooses. The last super hot 27 year old I went out on a few dates with did #4 every time. But I've had plenty of 38 year old women do #1. It all comes down to what kind of person she is on the inside.

Doesn't matter if it's dinner or two drinks. A check is a check.

If you want sex early on, you pay. It's the price of admission. I've tried splitting before, never worked in my favor. When it was time for her to pay, it very rarely goes well. Even my ex-wife complained. It's too ingrained in their heads. Again, I consider them business meetings, so I get a 50% business deduction at the end of the year. I keep amazing records with my contractors. Hey, they have to eat!!

I do not care what others say on this forum. If it's an LTR, maybe different. However, the first few, it's up to the man. At least that's the way it is with NYC women.