Thanks guys

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

You know, I’ve been meaning to write this for some time now, but just never really did. Right now I’m just chilling after a workout eating dinner and thinking about everything and nothing at the same time. Just zoning out really. Well it just sorta came to me to make this post. I first found SS at 15 but didn’t really make an account right away. I wanted to get better with women, but mostly because I couldn’t talk to them AT ALL rather than because I wanted to get laid or do anything like that. Just get better. My main objective in the back of my mind though was to improve myself all around.

I’m just looking back at the little kid I was, and the me that I am now. It felt like a gradual process and that I didn’t really change all that much after 15, but in reality I just know myself and how to achieve my goals better. Now I’m not gonna lie, sometimes I don’t really do everything I have to do to improve, but you know procrastination and all that

The other day, I was kinda thinking about those times when I was a straight up weirdo. That me, little me, used to wonder how guys like big me can talk to girls and joke around with them so easily. I just didn’t get it. I didn’t really understand social skills much at all really, I had none. I still got a couple of quirks of my own, but so does everyone else and it’s not nearly to the extent of what it used to be. Plus, I just sorta learned how to own these little anomalies in me and use it to my advantage. I honed in my personality to be more attractive, and I worked EXTREMELY hard physically to get stronger. It’s funny now tbh. I have a great body and everything, but that was never once my purpose when I exercised. It was always to be faster and stronger. Always. Not once did it cross my mind for looks or any of that. But now it’s just a side effect.

One of the things I learned is that the advice ‘be yourself, and people will like you for who you are’ is actually true. People just express it the wrong way. The problem with that advice is that it doesn’t tell people HOW to be themselves. The nice guy thinks that him being sweet to a girl he likes will make her like him because people tend to do nice things to people they like. Well the thing is, that’s not really him. He isn’t being himself. He is being a guy who is being unnaturally nice towards someone he likes. You are supposed to treat people all the same whether you like them initially or not. It’s AFTER you get to know them that you can start treating them better or like crap based on how you feel about them.

I was walking down the sidewalk in a park, just listening to my music and taking in the scenery the last several days after work. Just slowing things down. And I remember how embarrassing I was just as a human being lol. I didn’t even realize it then. People laughed at me behind my back and made fun of me all the time. I never understood it. I was like a child oblivious to it all a lot of times, in fact. I wanted to be able to socialize like all the other kids and just ‘get’ stuff. But I just didn’t at the time. I was kinda thinking ‘man, I wish I knew all this stuff when I was younger’. But the fact is, I’m still young even as I write this. I’m 19 and I’ve had 4 years to really internalize all of this stuff and to grow along with it. Maybe that’s why it felt like a gradual process. They say you can’t really change your personality after puberty and I was able to fix mine once it started. That’s better than a hell of a lot of other guys out there. There’s some dudes who still don’t get it and are middle-aged by now. And to some of you older fellas reading this, you might be thinking how you wish you had this knowledge when you were my age lol. And so I kinda just stopped myself and thanked the world for all of it. I at least got to improve at a much earlier age. I’m not really a weirdo or anything. I’m not too mature or too kiddish. I know when to be either depending on the situation or current state I’m in. And you know what? Now that I think of it, I’m kinda glad I didn’t know all this when I was REALLY little. My brother was actually one of those guys who did. In fact he was ridiculously street smart for his age. He understood lots of things. And he told me a few weeks ago that because of that, he never really had fun as a kid whereas I can’t say I didn’t. I sure hurt a hell of a lot, but I had some great times too. It was when I started to hurt much more often than not that I needed to change. And so I did. Now I am not gonna say I owe it all to you guys (just because I’ve been working on this since I was 11, before I found out about SS), but a huge part of it is because you guys kinda reassured me ‘Hey Double, you know what? Your gut feeling was right all along. Trust it. Society is just ****ed up, not you.’ And it allowed me to throw myself full throttle into the current of fixing myself and trusting myself. You guys stopped whatever possibility there was of me turning back into who I used to be. Thanks again, guys. There’s more I could write, but I don’t want to make this too long, it’s already probably quite a read to some of you lol.



Peace.

 

[logicallefty]

Glad you are here man. I remember when you first joined SS I honestly thought you were a troll. lol But now you are a very positive contributor here. And oh he|| yes do I wish I had this knowledge at your age. I was the biggest svcker of anyone on blue pill propaganda. I didn't completely transform 100% until probably 37. Anyway, great post and thanks for all that you contribute.

 

[Serenity]

That's great. This forum (and a few other resources) helped me in a similar way, I see my past self in a similar way too.

When I was a kid (below 13) I had little preconceptions about the world, so little to no filter really. I spoke my mind most of the time and did mostly what I wanted without worry about fitting in. I spoke to girls and if I liked some I just said so. I caused trouble at school because of my lack of respect for authorities, so I was probably too bold.

Somewhere after turning 13 it flipped, I started closing off, but there was still a rebel in me. So what happened was that I ended up in a group of mostly losers, not the type that just physically exists, but the type that smoked, drank and some of them did drugs. I never did any drugs, but I smoked and drank. As time went by I had a growing feeling of insecurity in me.

When I got to 16 I had sex for the first time, probably last among my group of friends. That relationship lasted 2 months, I really wasn't the driver of it so probably was for the best, I'd probably be a massive beta if it didn't end. I didn't start it, I made little advances myself even though I wanted it a lot and she was the one initiating sex. I had grown shy, like I had lost my balls growing up.

After my first breakup I gradually isolated myself more and more. Spending less time with friends and more time playing games on my computer. My social circle was shrinking and I felt some unexplained resistance against hitting them up. It's mostly in retrospect I see what actually happened, at the time I was oblivious and mostly complacent. Just going to school and going back home to game until bedtime, my parents saw the issue and tried restricting it, but with limited effect.

I turn 18 and I get a job, the one I wanted. After a year and a half of working I rent my own apartment. Without the supervision of my parents the isolation magnifies, I had 2-3 friends I'd occasionally hang out with, they were a LOT more social than me. This becomes important later. I kept up a cycle of mostly playing PC games and going to work for a few more years, pretty asocial.

After I turned 20 I occasionally tried hitting on girls, but it scared the sh!t out of me. I did not impress and was mostly too shy to make any significant progress. No sex since age 16 with my first girlfriend, lots of fapping... I almost turned 22 before a revelation came after yet another hard rejection, the thought that I must be doing something wrong and I must figure out what. I had avoided this issue for a long time, but suddenly became determined to face it and beat it. I didn't know where to begin, but I typed in various keywords into Google about it. At first I found little other than cheesy pickup lines, I knew I was looking for something deeper so I kept searching. I stumbled upon a pickup community in my country, they had bootcamps and all of that, but I had no intention of buying anything. I was desperate, but not that desperate.

I started reading on their blog and their forums to scavenge whatever information I could find. What I liked was their understanding of how it is to be in my situation, they had all been there. They also had a pretty solid philosophy on game, not just cheap tricks, but rather centered on the mindset more than the superficial. Some user posted various links to resources he found useful, one of them linking to the Book of Pook. That's how I found this place. As I was consuming the wisdom of Pook I didn't wait to practice any of it. I began to push boundaries again and I pushed HARD. 3 weeks from first attempt to having sex, it was insane. I gained success extremely fast and came out of my shell at record speed. I was in no way experienced, but I gained an insane drive to figure things out on the spot. Experience came later.

Since then I've been on this forum. At first to learn and get input and now mostly to teach what I have learned, to pass on the knowledge. I agree with you in that I will not give this forum all the credit, I am the biggest factor in my improvement, but finding this place certainly accelerated my progress. It saved me from some traps and saved some time and potential pain. I'm confident I would have figured it out eventually on my own, but with more pain involved by learning the hard way.

I look back now and I don't feel regret. The weaknesses I had has made me stronger. I cannot undo my past and I didn't know better at the time, but I can always know better in the future. I don't think I really changed personality, I just reverted back to who I truly am, the kid that didn't fear. I had closed off and I opened back up. Although along the way I was focused on changing my personality, like trying to build a new one from scratch. Then one day long forgotten memories of my childhood popped into my mind and caught my attention. I realized I had the right template all along, it was just buried under bad memories that occupied my mind. It wasn't that I had never seen my true self in all my glory, I had just forgotten who I was, but with those memories I remembered who I really was.

It all seems so easy now, but it really was a b!tch to get here. Good luck with your life, you're even ahead of me in terms of age.

 

[Desdinova]

Always great to see people self-reflect on how much of an impact this place had on them. This place changes lives, and it changes them for the better. It changed mine.

I had one hell of an uphill battle. I was raised in a religious cult with a crazy (and abusive) mother. She had taught me that talking to girls (who weren't fellow cult members) would lead me to getting AIDS. I didn't want to marry someone else in the religious cult because I could tell that there was something wrong with the way of life they were portraying.

I ended up with my first real GF at age 15. It was strange and scary, but she helped me break out of my shell. She didn't care that I was "shy" or awkward, she was just a 14 year old wh0re who liked me. I eventually dumped her because I didn't like her, and had a bit of confidence to try and get another GF. I found myself having problems getting another GF, and eventually went back to the wh0re for a bit when I was 17.

Eventually, I was able to get another GF who I eventually got engaged to. We were together for 4 years until she ended the relationship (mainly from me being an AFC). I was lost at age 23 and had no clue how to meet new women. And that's when I ended up here. I'm 40 years old now, and have more experience than most men my age.

I owe a lot to this place for motivating me to actually challenge myself and improve my life.

 

[guru1000]

That's the purpose of life: to experience, to fail, to learn, to transcend, to grow.

The greatest lessons are not in here, but out there in the trenches. So I encourage you not to live life perfectly ... rather go out there, act on your desires/volition (to the extent that you don't irretrievably harm yourself), and make mistakes. Therein is how true growth, strength and character are forged.

 

[Red Legg]

I would take whatever you read on the internet with a grain of salt..especially SS.You are right about only one thing in your diatribe OP and that is too just be yourself, keep your pecker hard and your powder dry that is all you need to know.

 

[Serenity]

I would take whatever you read on the internet with a grain of salt..especially SS.You are right about only one thing in your diatribe OP and that is too just be yourself, keep your pecker hard and your powder dry that is all you need to know.

To any new guys and lurkers reading this, it's good advice. There's certainly things posted here that's downright harmful. Try things out and evaluate the results, don't just blindly believe and stick to it.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I would take whatever you read on the internet with a grain of salt..especially SS.You are right about only one thing in your diatribe OP and that is too just be yourself, keep your pecker hard and your powder dry that is all you need to know.

When I first came her, I only read the older stuff. Nothing after 2006. I read most of Pook’s posts by just looking at the actual threads rather than the compilation. And not just him, but a lot of guys who used to come here too. I’m old enough now to where I can judge things for myself, and if it’s bull****, I’ll call it out if I feel like out. Or else just disregard.

Most of the time though, the advice here isn’t. It’s just incomplete. And you can’t fully describe everything without writing a novel. The guys featured in the DJ Bible did that for us fortunately. While the examples may be outdated, I just learned to grasp the overall concepts they were trying to convey. And through that, I realized that it’s just timeless.

 

[Spaz]

You can only get better by making mistakes and learning from them.

Go out, do something you never considered doing but wanted to. Success is actually a series of mistakes.

 

[Red Legg]

When I first came her, I only read the older stuff. Nothing after 2006. I read most of Pook’s posts by just looking at the actual threads rather than the compilation. And not just him, but a lot of guys who used to come here too. I’m old enough now to where I can judge things for myself, and if it’s bull****, I’ll call it out if I feel like out. Or else just disregard.

Most of the time though, the advice here isn’t. It’s just incomplete. And you can’t fully describe everything without writing a novel. The guys featured in the DJ Bible did that for us fortunately. While the examples may be outdated, I just learned to grasp the overall concepts they were trying to convey. And through that, I realized that it’s just timeless.

I have been lurking since 2003 and SS has been invaluable.(SS kept me from getting azz raped in my divorce by applying "game" and other concepts in my marriage).Right now I am in a happy LTR and have been since Dec. of 2016 it has helped me there as well.I don't follow every bit of advice here though the best post I read on SS was to be "fluid" like water....every situation is different.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I have been lurking since 2003 and SS has been invaluable.(SS kept me from getting azz raped in my divorce by applying "game" and other concepts in my marriage).Right now I am in a happy LTR and have been since Dec. of 2016 it has helped me there as well.I don't follow every bit of advice here though the best post I read on SS was to be "fluid" like water....every situation is different.

You’re still married today?

 

[JohnChops]

Always great to see people self-reflect on how much of an impact this place had on them. This place changes lives, and it changes them for the better. It changed mine.
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It was mind boggling to me how much of an impact this place had on my life as well.

Always glad to have contribution from you ITDG.