How has learning game (whether red pill theory or PUA tactics or anything else) helped you?

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Lol.

Okay... So how do I adjust my frame so that this benefits me, and I'm not just pouring money out of my bank account? And if I am... At least I'm getting a good amount of sex in return?
Follow this formula;

Core values->Frame->Methods=Results.

Core values=Is what your were thought when you were young, religious beliefs, parental beliefs etc.

Frame= How you think, your operating principles, this grows as you learn and it never stops.

Methods= Is how you do things, often people will keep on changing their methods when they don't get the required results in life. What they failed to understand is that their frame needs strengthening.

Results = Is what you get from how you do things.

Read the DJ bible and re read it until it gets stuck into your psych. It's really good. This will strengthen your frame.
 
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Follow this formula;

Core values->Frame->Methods=Results.

Core values=Is what your were thought when you were young, religious beliefs, parental beliefs etc.

Frame= How you think, your operating principles, this grows as you learn and it never stops.

Methods= Is how you do things, often people will keep on changing their methods when they don't get the required results in life. What they failed to understand is that their frame needs strengthening.

Results = Is what you get from how you do things.

Read the DJ bible and re read it until it gets stuck into your psych. It's really good. This will strengthen your frame.
I don't know if I have any core values. I'm not religious at all and never will be. I know that I want to have sex a lot and make lots of money.

The only "core value" I may have had at one point is to be honest. But I've seen that that is a recipe for disaster in the real world.

Plus, I don't think most girls have any true values these days.
 

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I don't know if I have any core values. I'm not religious at all and never will be. I know that I want to have sex a lot and make lots of money.

The only "core value" I may have had at one point is to be honest. But I've seen that that is a recipe for disaster in the real world.

Plus, I don't think most girls have any true values these days.
Core values r those stuff that you learned when you were young.

It does affect your frame but only to a certain extent. Your frame is your knowledge that directly affects how you do things.

Many men here uses the negative results they get in life and puts that into their frame, they just don't realise that's the whole problem, they r just recycling their negative results and it makes them bitter.

Strengthen your frame and the results will be positive.

This applies in women, in your daily life, basically everything you want to achieve.
 

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#2 I flatter like a mfer now. You sort of have to to disarm women especially when you are older and flirting much younger. This is not even something they teach here but based on observation..
Thanks for the reply.

The complimenting thing is somewhat controversial here, but it's always seemed logical to me (given that the compliment is sincere).
Because the compliment plants the seed in her mind "Maybe he's interested in me". It seems to me that you have to do something like that to get her attention (unless she is the initiator), then you can go on from there to leverage doubt in her mind.
Also, a compliment gives her positive feelings which she will associate with you, and want more positive experiences with you.
 

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That was a SyFy story I used to like by this great writer called Frederick Phol Don't worry millennials I'm sure it wi'll get made into a movie one day.

Basically these aliens were putting us thru all these tests because they wanted an allie that was tough enough to help them out against these even scarier aliens.

And humans attitude was didn't give a s*** they d got past this lot of aliens the next lot we're just going to be another resource.

That's the DJ attitude.

Past President of Egypt Anwar Sadat was imprisoned and tortured. In his biography he explains how he trained his mind in prison because that's all he had to work with and his jailors couldn't control that.

That's the DJ attitude.

To paraphrase fight club you're not your LMS. An accomplished man is much more than that.

My pushy tennis partner has insisted we go up to the next level and of course we re getting killed every week. I went down 6 0 the first week which has never happened to me in my life. Next week 6 1. This week beaten 7 5. But I'm not beaten.

I've asked a few people who ve seen my matches and done some thinking and I know what I need to tweak and what I need to rebuild and what the priorities are.

That's the DJ attitude. I've had a lot of trouble in the last few years trying to get into big companies. I got a gig at a bank and then the bank announced massive lay offs and I've just landed a gig at a big insurance company. Sheer bloody minded persistence being too stupid to know when to die.

That's the DJ attitude. from the wetest 17 year old to a blue pilled AFC coming out of a divorce to I guy in his forties trying to learn grey game the guys all have the attitude.

And that's why eventually we always win
 
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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@zekko I personally think a lot of it has to do with the eyes. If I'm going to flirt with a chick I look at her in an amused way with the tiniest hint of a smile. And then just start talking to her like we're old friends who are messing around together. As soon as I give them the look they know it's on and what I say doesn't really matter too much which leaves you plenty of deniability.

And yeah I miss calibrate anf screw it up sometimes. Most times it works just fine.

BTW also watch closely what happens when two woman meet each other for the first time. Women are desperate to improve their place in the herd and so another potential Allie is a big deal. So the first half hour of two chicks meeting is like speed flirting and rapport building they ll finish each other's sentences touch do the hair flick everything. There's a lot to be learnt there.
 
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What do they find attractive in males?

After you look past the boobs and a$$, what's left? What else is attractive about them? Aside from that, their personality usually sucks because it's based around tricking and manipulating people. Their entire gender is basically a big con artist.

Its mainly the jerk factor in guys for younger women , they crave that guy who’s unpredictable and mysterious one that’s not going to think twice about fvcking her from behind in a public toilet

the guy who’s going to bring her flowers and chocolates and take her to a fancy restaurant is always going to lose

If you think from the male point of view we will always want the sexily dressed naughty looking chick , not the good girl whos going to stay at home and make you dinner and wash your clothes

The same principal applies to females but in an physiological sense

these aren’t traits you can “fake” you need to be confident in yourself to be able to pull her into your frame and then get her excited

I think older women 40+ will take just about whatever they can get
 
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Its mainly the jerk factor in guys for younger women , they crave that guy who’s unpredictable and mysterious one that’s not going to think twice about fvcking her from behind in a public toilet

the guy who’s going to bring her flowers and chocolates and take her to a fancy restaurant is always going to lose

If you think from the male point of view we will always want the sexily dressed naughty looking chick , not the good girl whos going to stay at home and make you dinner and wash your clothes

The same principal applies to females but in an physiological sense

these aren’t traits you can “fake” you need to be confident in yourself to be able to pull her into your frame and then get her excited

I think older women 40+ will take just about whatever they can get
Okay so how do I be a jerk? I should try that. I already hate them (for good reason), anyway. I might as well be honest about it.
 

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If you think from the male point of view we will always want the sexily dressed naughty looking chick , not the good girl whos going to stay at home and make you dinner and wash your clothes
I disagree with this, I think there is tremendous appeal in the latter. I would prefer dating a "good girl" 1000 times more than a slvtty chick. She's still going to look good when the clothes come off. Slvts are a dime a dozen.

Similarly, I don't think you need to be a jerk, either. There's a certain appeal to being audacious, and that's cool, but I still don't think you have to be a jerk to attract women. Jerks are garbage. Instead, be bold and go for what you want.

Okay so how do I be a jerk? I should try that. I already hate them (for good reason), anyway. I might as well be honest about it.
Frog, I kind of get the feeling you might be a psychopath. I think instead of focusing on being a jerk, you would be better served by trying to genuinely like women. Doesn't mean you have to trust them, but it helps to appreciate what they have to offer.
 
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Frog, I kind of get the feeling you might be a psychopath. I think instead of focusing on being a jerk, you would be better served by trying to genuinely like women. Doesn't mean you have to trust them, but it helps to appreciate what they have to offer.

And what is it that they have to offer?
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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ask him if he likes dogs (im muted to him)
women give what dogs give you... except sex and unquestioned love and loyalty
(unless you are into beastiality heh)
 

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Thanks for the reply.

The complimenting thing is somewhat controversial here, but it's always seemed logical to me (given that the compliment is sincere).
Because the compliment plants the seed in her mind "Maybe he's interested in me". It seems to me that you have to do something like that to get her attention (unless she is the initiator), then you can go on from there to leverage doubt in her mind.
Also, a compliment gives her positive feelings which she will associate with you, and want more positive experiences with you.
@zekko I personally think a lot of it has to do with the eyes. If I'm going to flirt with a chick I look at her in an amused way with the tiniest hint of a smile. And then just start talking to her like we're old friends who are messing around together. As soon as I give them the look they know it's on and what I say doesn't really matter too much which leaves you plenty of deniability.

And yeah I miss calibrate anf screw it up sometimes. Most times it works just fine.

BTW also watch closely what happens when two woman meet each other for the first time. Women are desperate to improve their place in the herd and so another potential Allie is a big deal. So the first half hour of two chicks meeting is like speed flirting and rapport building they ll finish each other's sentences touch do the hair flick everything. There's a lot to be learnt there.
Its a very nuanced approach.
One of the things that gets overlooked on SS, I think, from a woman's perspective is just how nuanced interpersonal communications really are. There is the observable situational context, the conversational context, and the unspoken non-verbal sub-context and all these things are happening simultaneously in any interpersonal interaction. There are cues. There are signals. There is plausible deniability. There are responses.

Socially adroit people (for to me that is what GAME is, socially adroit interaction between a man and a woman) have high emotional intelligence, which is the ability to pick up on and correctly assess & process all the verbal, situational, and non-verbal stimuli all at once.

Where @ubercat is talking about the hint of a smile in the quote above? That is subtle. Nuanced. But women communicate in subtle ways as a natural state of being. Other things that are subtle are a glance, an open stance, touching one's face, hair or body (preening behaviors), and women, especially experienced women are going to pick up on these cues almost subconsciously.

Men who are good with women are good with women because the non-verbal communication is congruent with the situation, the verbal, and so forth. These are men who are also good at reading and correctly assessing a woman's response.

If I could show you film of the initial interaction between myself and the man I'm dating, I could actually show you these cues at work. An initial mutual glance from across a room while I'm walking through a venue, my friend and I sitting nearby rather than far away (proximity), my boyfriend approaching (since he happens to be nearby - proximity) and asking if I could take a photo of him and his friend (resulting in me asking him to take a photo of my girlfriend and I), then my boyfriend coming over with his friend to make introductions and proceeding to engage in conversation. On the surface at the point of engaging in conversation it's game on...but really it was game on at first glance. It is the sub-communication that goes prior that gets left out of the mix here often precisely BECAUSE it's nuanced and BECAUSE it's harder to learn, read and acclimate to if it's not something you do naturally...and VERY few people do it naturally.

And for those of us who start out NOT natural (myself included decades ago, BTW), it takes PRACTICE to learn the skill set. You'll say stuff that is over the line sometimes, you'll do things that don't line up with your words (and blow yourself out), you'll feel silly sometimes, you'll miss the mark, but you'll hit the mark sometimes too. And the more you learn and become a student of human social interaction the more you'll learn and the better you'll get at hitting your goals and improving with women.

So the very best thing you can do is practice in social settings. So you have to get out there and open sets. And the problem so many of the guys here have is they are apoplectic about getting started. But you have to start. You are not going to learn anything sitting home alone or hiding behind a computer screen talking about theoreticals.

And honestly when you have a well honed social skill set it actually becomes delightful to interact with the opposite sex and it becomes interesting to observe and influence the things that are occurring AS THEY OCCUR. It's fun. This is what @guru1000 refers to when he talks about finding a "worthy adversary".

If you look at two women who are just meeting each other you'll get such an amazing crash course in how women size one another up and self-sort, and proceed forward. It's very interesting and I think that is really great advice.

But there is much to be said for nuance and calibration and social adroitness. And you can only get there by doing.
 

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What most of you are talking about is not "game".

Self confidence is not "game".
Basic social skills are not "game".
Sexual experience is not "game".
An attractive personality (if its real) is not "game".
Flirting (when its authentic) is not "game".
Social intelligence is not "game".

"Game" is PUA voodoo. A fraudulent personality. Canned behavior.

How has learning "game" helped me in life? It showed me how important SMV is lol.

How has red pill theory helped me in life? Red pill is not a theory. Understanding women better helps your social intelligence around them.
 

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It's just a semantic argument then, meaningless. Do you think having a great personality helps attract women? Do you think it can raise your smv one or two points?
I believe having a bad personality that shows a complete lack of social skills and lack of past social/sexual success will lower your STATUS to a woman for obvious reasons.

I also believe COMPATIBILITY will make a woman want a LTR with you more than someone who she has nothing in common with.

Outside of that.. no.
 

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It has made me more cynical about the world...
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Could you guys describe what makes your personality, or more specifically your behavior, "flirty"? Do you use a lot of kino? Do you give a lot of compliments? A lot of suggestive remarks? Is it purely sexual
Pretty well yes to all of these. I look at her no different, than if she were a male friend. Only she's a female friend I intend to smash. If she says something retarted, leaves her self open or walks right into the brunt of a joke, she is getting balls busted like she were one of the boys, regardless of how hot she is. Matter of fact, the hotter, the better the effect. I rely on sarcasm, humor and boldness. Like the other day, when a chic was on the fence about meeting for steaks at my place, I said... "Well, no pressure... I usually like to screen a chic for a week or two, before asking her out anyways. I figure if I'm going to risk life in prison for hacking her up, she better be special". She immediately accepted and replied... "Do you have neighbors that can hear me scream?", To which I replied... "Yes I do, but they have never complained about me making women scream before". A few lol's, haha's and emojis here and there to keep the dialogue in context, but you get the gist. Allot of times remarks will come on the fly and sometimes, I will set them up for it and walk them into it. I can take it as well as I can dish it, which is important. Real life is guaranteed to happen no matter what. You might as well try to make the ride along the way as fun as possible. A chic that can stand toe to toe with the banter is probably the biggest turn on imaginable imo.
 

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It's just a semantic argument then, meaningless. Do you think having a great personality helps attract women? Do you think it can raise your smv one or two points?
I think urbanyst has a point that all people are some degree of shallow and a girl with a high enough degree of shallowness won't even give you the time of day if you're not the minimum attractiveness she wants

but I also think that as long as she's talking to you and taking you seriously there's far more than LMS at play

kind of like how skill at fighting (game and such) doesn't mean **** when your opponent has a gun (really high SMV) and you don't but that doesn't mean that any moron with an object in hand (a girl with a pretty good SMV) is gonna beat a blackbelt (neil strauss charming jessica alba on jimmy kimmel)
 

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It's fascinating how many people are triggered by a simple word like "game" in such a place as this. Insisting on euphemisms such as "personality" or "social skills". It's the sort of doublespeak usually employed by the feminists they so claim to hate, but increasingly resemble in character.

Better yet, whilst underpinning it with declaring yourself "the natural" on a bloody manosphere internet forum with no sense of irony or humour.

If you are reading this sentence, you are not "the natural".

The use of neutral nouns in this way (and the triggering otherwise) is akin to a gender fluid person's use of neutral pronouns. Just completely absurd.
It's fascinating how many people are triggered by a simple word like "MONEY" in such a place as this. It's the sort of sh*t usually employed by the feminists they so claim to hate, but increasingly resemble in character.

Its also amazing how some people can't prove their points for sh*t and resort to flaming, whining and complaining about other posters. Similar to the feminists they claim to hate.

Its also amazing how telling men to improve their SMV instead of using fraudulent tactics is somehow offensive to some people lol.

LOL.
 

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Most people in general will never go for someone that doesn't meet their minimum looks threshold. This is even more true for men, so it's not a surprise to anyone here. Urbanyst thinks we didn't know. With women, there are also big gold diggers and status wh-re groupies who value other things as much or more. For this "insight", he wants a gold medal lol.

Of course, it's just a babbling strawman with shifting goalposts. The point here(not on PuA blogs no one here reads except Urbanyst) is that within your range, which is broader than you think, you need a seductive, sexually appealing personality to beat the competition. This is what will help you win in your range. Everyone knows this except Urbanyst, who would rather play semantic games to get attention. I beat finance douche guy with a dead fish personality(Urbanyst) 9/10 times, given we have comparable LMS. Many men must learn what a sexually seductive, appealing personality is, and what the rules are. This is called Game.

I mean, you can just apply your own criteria...we mostly care about looks sure but some women have 100x the fun and seductive personality that others do...makes a huge difference.
LOL.

A "seductive personality" my ass. This video sh*ts on your theory with real examples.

You're so DESPERATE to prove a point that can't be proven.

Blue pill dog sh*t looks good on paper and gives you those great feelz, but at the end of the day, its still dog sh*t.

 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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