I commented that I'm starving and the girl immediately responded "I've got class right now"

[devilkingx2]

So the conversation goes something like

me: man I'm starving I've gotta get something to eat

Her: I've got class right now

Me: huh? What? Oh! I know that you do. I'm the one who's getting food lol.

[conversation continues]

I'm pondering if It's a good sign (that she must've thought i was asking her to grab food with me) or a bad sign (that she was like nah i can't with no hesitation)

Context: we had political science together and i talked to her after it on her way to her next class, before that was lunch time and i was starving because i spent all my lunch cold approaching and forgot to actually get food. This is the second time I've talked to her, she really likes talking about herself, you could quiz me on her whole family tree lmao.

Unrelated: i found an awesome new novelty opener for cold approaching but i haven't field tested it enough to talk about it yet, expect an interesting thread from me on that next week. (it will be funny, spark a discussion, but definitely not be any of your styles)

 

[ohrein]

Doesn't matter. You'll waste your time if you try to figure that level of nuance out. Just ask 'em out and escalate, then you get all your answers.

 

[fanatic22]

Well she is definitely not high interest.

 

[devilkingx2]

whats this obsession with details on the forum lately?

I only get to talk to like 1 girl every time i have that class and i only have it 2 times a week. Combine that with not being so good at reading positive or neutral signals (i excel at reading negative ones) i made this topic to get insight as to whether or not i was missing anything important, sometimes it's good/helpful to get the perspective of others

 

[zekko]

I think you're reading too much into it. Maybe she just meant she was hungry too, but she had class right now so couldn't eat.
If you're trying to draw conclusions from her behavior, I think you're dealing with too small a sample size here.
Like ohrein said, if you're interested it's probably best to be direct about it, then you'll have your answer.

 

[zekko]

You need to be closing and filtering those ones out.

Coffee is for closers!

I think I mentioned here recently that I finally saw Glengarry Glen Ross, which is a movie that PUAs reference a lot (along with The Matrix, Fight Club, and Swingers). Anyway, good movie, but I was surprised that the ending turned out so bad for most of them. You always see PUAs referencing the Alec Baldwin "pep talk" scene, so I figured maybe some of them were inspired and had some success. Just like if they had bought a PUA product lol. But nope, not really.

 

[devilkingx2]

I hope you aren't just listening to that sh!t. If so, she's actually walking all over you.

It's hard to say without witnessing it, though.

Nah i made jokes and stuff and asked questions that she responded to

Her: my grandparents moved to argentina from germany after WWII

Me: uh... Wasn't that what some nazis did to escape the nuremburg trials? Should i be worried

Her: some jews did that too! Nazis and Jews fled to argentina, it was like a mini nazi germany all over again lol.

Sometimes you just aren't a particular girl's type. Some girls are a simple no, but they enjoy your game. You need to be closing and filtering those ones out.

Ex. One of the last interactions i had. I could tell the girl was fairly low-interest, but enjoying the banter. She was trying to assess what value i could bring to her life (veering towards a friendzoning), i was pulling it towards a more sexual dynamic. Result was her humming and harring when i tried to close. Took 5 minutes.

That's fairly common actually.

This is an interesting thought because i feel like I've definitely experienced it many times before, i always thought girls enjoying your charisma but not wanting to smash was a sign that you're ugly lol.

Another guy on here used to number close at a rate of nearly 50%, but that's not so spectacular when you do it from being friendzoned. Then he'd take loads of different girls out, and get nowhere with any of them.

Oh yeah I know that feeling, i have like an 80%+ success rate at getting numbers when i ask but like a 10% chance of getting a text back, nowadays i just ask for snapchats and plan to start using that advice to setup the date first and get the number after for logistics

Being sociable is the start. Being sexual is the next step. Upping the flirting, teasing, challenging, etc. And be closing more - you know her family history, then you should know whether she wants to join you for a coffee.

I'm mostly just getting warmed up, haven't been in the game for a while, this is my first semester of college in like 2 years (took some time off, worked for a year, stayed home and played video games for a year, now I'm back), now I'm pretty close to my prior peak of multiple approaches a day, and approaching girls without fear and with little hesitation

From there i will work on fine tuning the weaknesses in my game (not being direct/sexual enough in person is definitely one of the major ones, I'm way better at text flirting since it's 0 risk and i had a lot of practice but in person is more important so I'll get better at it.)

 

[devilkingx2]

With this girl specifically I'm not gonna see her again til Tuesday afternoon, i asked for her snap, but i couldn't find her. Not gonna jump to any conclusions about whether she got it wrong or lied about it, i already know what I'll do.

I'll talk to her normally, see if she asks why i didn't add her, bring up that i couldn't find her eventually if she doesn't mention it, and leave it there.

The idea is that if she doesn't bring it up, and doesn't really have anything to say about me not finding her then no interest.

But if she does mention it, or says she'll add me instead or that i can add her on something else or checks to make sure of what it is so she can tell me it right, etc. Then it would be game on.

Simple stuff. Now i just gotta figure out the plan for the other 5 girls in my classes I've gotta talk to next week.

 

[zekko]

You expend an awful lot of resources into a subject that you despise....

I don't despise PUA theory, I don't know where you get that. On the contrary I find the subject fascinating. I'm a questioner though, I don't agree with all of it. Especially the parts that want to paint guys in relationships as beta pvssies. And of course the people who prey on the ignorant to sell their product. I'm all for spinning plates, by the way, I just don't think you are required to make it a lifelong practice in order to be a man. I'm nearly 60, FFS. Am I supposed to dump my girlfriend, who has done nothing to deserve it, just so I can go screw a variety of worthless wh0res to prove how alpha I am? What a waste that would be.

I mean most people here have to agree that the whole alpha/beta thing is overdone. I dislike hero worship of psychopaths - people without empathy are generally garbage. Yeah, I have quibbles with some of it, but I bet I agree with more than you might think. I would question anybody who buys into someone else's philosophy hook, line, and sinker. Those are the kind of people who end up following cult leaders.

 

[Trainwreck]

Girl sounds like a stuck up **** to me. I would have responded with “I wasn’t asking to hang out or” or something. Interest would have been something like “I’m in class, can you wait till I’m done or something”. Drop her lol

 

[devilkingx2]

Did you do anything that would have given the impression that you found her attractive?

Not really, but tbh i wasn't expecting to actually talk to her the first time, i thought it'd be a 10 second convo that goes nowhere, probably should've planned a little further ahead lol

Did you get the impression that you both were on that sort of wavelength?

The impression i got is that she was eager to talk, whether to me or in general

Expect your number close rate to drop significantly. Don't be surprised when it does.

Expect to get further with some of the women you do close, though.

It actually makes life much easier in the long run.

Hmmm yeah you're right thats pretty logical. Perhaps that's why some people say direct game is less effective, they're not taking into account the amount of numbers they get that won't go anywhere

 

[devilkingx2]

Worth taking into account that you are doing this around your university, too. That might make you less inclined to experiment with different ideas. And i don't blame you.

I dunno, there's 16,000 people at my university so i rarely see the same people unless the person is always going to be in that place at that time on that day

So as i see it, i can say/do anything and only have to worry about anything if the girl i approached is in the same class as me or has class in the room next door so I'll have to avoid her in the hallway every day or something.

All that said, I've been brainstorming openers and game that are direct but not risky and indirect but not friendzoney (so that i can use direct for randoms and indirect for girls in my classes), I've been drawing blanks for weeks but a few approaches later and I've got a lot more ideas than i had two weeks ago

Perhaps focus on your social-circle around your peers, and

Will do! Though i think it's a lot better to perfect the cold approach before trying social circle

 

[devilkingx2]

Update: i passed her in the hallway and she didn't look at me or say anything...

its pretty much over, no interest.

Oh well i tried, onto the next one tomorrow

 

[Trump]

So the conversation goes something like

me: man I'm starving I've gotta get something to eat

Her: I've got class right now

Me: huh? What? Oh! I know that you do. I'm the one who's getting food lol.

[conversation continues]

I'm pondering if It's a good sign (that she must've thought i was asking her to grab food with me) or a bad sign (that she was like nah i can't with no hesitation)

By the time you figure out whether it was a good sign or bad sign, she will be married and pregnant.

Next time say: "I'm hungry, lets go get something to eat." Invite her with you and force her to make a decision.

Women love to live in the grey area. Constant ego gratification while giving very little in return. Once you force a woman to a decision, the truth is revealed.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So we know that she’s REALLY into herself. Those types of chicks are also the types who think EVERY guy likes them. Annoying bitches if you ask me lol. But the fact that she immediately said she had class meant that she was conceited enough to think that you were gonna ask her out. So she declined before you could. A girl who really likes you is still willing to miss one class to go eat with you. She isn’t interested. That was my first thought. I could smell arrogance a mile away and I also can take a hint when a chick doesn’t like me.

Because she thinks she’s hot ****, she thinks you were going to. She declined. And she talks to you about her family and crap. There’s a chance you might be friend zoned. Maybe you aren’t, I don’t know ALL the dynamics at play here. But I can tell you that I don’t believe she’s interested. Girls speak in indirect language. Guys speak in direct language. She thought you were speaking in girl tongue. This only adds to me thinking you are friend zoned. No flame my dude. I think the fact that you’re cold approaching is epic in and of itself. But this chick should only be used for connections. Nothing else really.

 

[devilkingx2]

By the time you figure out whether it was a good sign or bad sign, she will be married and pregnant.

Next time say: "I'm hungry, lets go get something to eat." Invite her with you and force her to make a decision.

Women love to live in the grey area. Constant ego gratification while giving very little in return. Once you force a woman to a decision, the truth is revealed.

So we know that she’s REALLY into herself. Those types of chicks are also the types who think EVERY guy likes them. Annoying bitches if you ask me lol. But the fact that she immediately said she had class meant that she was conceited enough to think that you were gonna ask her out. So she declined before you could. A girl who really likes you is still willing to miss one class to go eat with you. She isn’t interested. That was my first thought. I could smell arrogance a mile away and I also can take a hint when a chick doesn’t like me.

Because she thinks she’s hot ****, she thinks you were going to. She declined. And she talks to you about her family and crap. There’s a chance you might be friend zoned. Maybe you aren’t, I don’t know ALL the dynamics at play here. But I can tell you that I don’t believe she’s interested. Girls speak in indirect language. Guys speak in direct language. She thought you were speaking in girl tongue. This only adds to me thinking you are friend zoned. No flame my dude. I think the fact that you’re cold approaching is epic in and of itself. But this chick should only be used for connections. Nothing else really.

[lull in our conversation today]

Me: oh, and i didn't add you on Snapchat because i couldn't find you, incase you were wondering

Her: oh... (in like a disinterested kind of tone, like "oh well" or *shrugs*)

Me: ...

her: well, like i said i don't really use it much anyway

Me: haha perhaps you should've offered up your number instead then

Her: yeah.... (same tone)

Me: ...

Her: (looking to our right at the field) hey look the lacrosse team is practicing, maybe i should join them

[conversation about lacrosse continues]

[lull in conversation (caused by me not wanting to talk to her anymore mostly) as we approach splitting off to go in different directions]

her: well alright, goodbye [Devilkingx2]

Me: see you later Rachel (her name isn't rachel, it's raquel but she didn't say anything so she probably doesn't know i was joking lol oh well)

Next time on Dragon Ball Z. Devilkingx2 is gonna try and talk to two girls in his wednesday morning class tomorrow

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My boy would hit each flock year after year even well after graduation. Must've easily been 100-200 cold approaches a year all started from a greeting.

 

[devilkingx2]

My boy would hit each flock year after year even well after graduation. Must've easily been 100-200 cold approaches a year all started from a greeting.

That's some good hunting

 

[mrgoodstuff]

That's some good hunting

He approached it like a salesman.

 

[devilkingx2]

I like to think of myself as one of those hunters that hunts the most dangerous game he can find for sport, like a bullfighter or like kraven the hunter