Thought Experiment: What would you do if women did not exist?

[TheProspect]

Not in the sense that they literally did not exist (for obvious and practical reasons), but more in the sense that they did not matter. They had absolutely no influence in the daily decisions you make regarding any aspect of your life.

Now you could say that this is already a reality for you, in which case I’ll elaborate and say what if you woke up tomorrow and had zero desire to impress women, zero desire to have sex with them, zero desire to have a relationship or companionship with one. You had zero interest in influencing what women may or may not think about you. You’re essentially asexual, for all intents and purposes of this thought experiment, and to no degree does anything remotely related to the attraction and pursuit of women govern your behaviour.

I want to emphasize: I’m not asking what you would have done differently in the past or how your life would have been different leading up to today, I am asking how it would change your life if you woke up tomorrow and this was a reality.

What would your life look like? Would the way you live your life change? What would you do differently?

Would it affect how you feel about yourself, and the predominant emotions you have been experiencing?

Would how you see yourself in the mirror matter as much to you as it did before? Would you dress differently?

Would you place less or more significance on money and the acquisition of it or would it remain the same?

Would it affect your interest in the career you are pursuing or are already in?

Would it affect the way your living space and bedroom looks?

Would it affect your motivation to engage in your hobbies, such as to work out, learn how to dance, learn how to play an instrument, etc?

Would you still go out to bars and night clubs?

Would it free up a lot of time in your life? What would you do with that time?


etc etc etc…


Just a little thought experiment I am proposing. I foresee that some of you will avoid participating in the experiment by getting caught up in the technicalities, but I am interested in reading your responses nonetheless.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

As a single guy with a really busy job I honestly don't think it would make much difference to me actually. It sounds like a really big change but in reality, I've only had a couple of "serious" GF kind of interactions with women, other stuff is more as-and-when I have time for dating.

I'd probably experience an increase in my self-esteem though, because my confidence when not dealing with dating is actually higher than my confidence around women I find attractive.

I would still go to bars, because I like the social atmosphere. I play pool a fair bit and I like the occasional drink with friends.

As for the other stuff:

- Career: no effect.
- Bedroom/house habits: probably messier!
- Appearance: when not working I probably wouldn't make so much effort if I'm honest. At work would be the same.
- Hobbies: I could see myself losing some work-out motivation, because as much as I do it "for me", it's still also for the purpose of generating attraction. Other hobbies mostly unaffected.
- I would probably feel considerably less self conscious about my body, actually. That's probably the biggest difference I can think of.

I think the answers will depend on how much of a part women are in the answerer's daily life (it would be a huge change for a married man for example) and also how extroverted the poster is.

 

[Serenity]

I'm in a relationship and I don't think anything would change. I didn't change noticably from when I was single to now. Don't think it would be any different if I was single again and women was out of the question. Only thing I'd do differently is travelling I think, takes more planning to do when there's 2.

Wouldn't affect how I feel about myself, I fixed that before getting a girlfriend to make sure I do not depend upon women for self-esteem.

I don't really stare at myself in the mirror, I'm pretty relaxed with my looks anyways. Would dress the same way.

My desire for money is not affected by women, so it's importance would remain the same. I benefit from more with or without women.

Career would be unaffected. Worked here when I was single, still work here and I'll probably continue working here no matter what because I like my job.

Wouldn't affect my living space, I hate mess as much as most people do.

Wouldn't affect hobbies, women have nothing to do with that, it's for my own enjoyment.

I'd still go to bars and night clubs. I still do occasionally. It doesn't stop being fun if scoring a lay isn't the only reason to go out.

Would free up a little time considering I'm in a relationship, if I was single it probably wouldn't affect free time.

 

[The Duke]

I already put myself first the majority of the time when it comes to women so there is very little that would change. I'm naturally a "if you like me great, if not hit the road" kind of guy. There is little I do in my life where the woman is the motivating factor. They have little influence over me.

If there was no women:
-I would live in a more remote area.
-I'd be more reckless, take more risks. I already take plenty.
-I'd go on more adventures.
-I'd likely drink more. I drink more when I'm single than I do in a relationship.
-I'd likely work even more than I do now.

The good thing about having a woman for me is:
-They help me relax.
-Help me take time out to stop and smell the roses.
-I'm a little more balanced with a woman than by myself.
-They help real me in a bit.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

What would your life look like? Would the way you live your life change? What would you do differently?

The way I live overall would not change much at all. I’d probably just sleep some more, and procrastinate a LITTLE bit less. But that’s about it from what I could think of. I’d probably just read a bit more at night or watch more youtube videos though so I might not even get more sleep.

Would it affect how you feel about yourself, and the predominant emotions you have been experiencing?

No. Not at this point in time anyway. I’m already strong within myself and really confident, so if I had like an actual harem or something and then tomorrow didn’t, my confidence levels would just fall back down to where it is right now, which is already pretty high relative to others. Obviously it goes up when I do get women, but that’s not the basis of my foundation at all so it wouldn’t really matter.

Would how you see yourself in the mirror matter as much to you as it did before? Would you dress differently?

No. If I didn’t care about ANY form of socialization, it would a little. But just women? No. As I get older, the less I care about how I look now actually. I still look good in sweats, but it’s just not as classy. I don’t hang my pants or any of that, but I mean like I’m MUCH more likely to dress casually now than ever before. I still look good casual, just not as good as if I put on a pair of jeans or something. It also depends on where I’m going too.

But just women? No.

Would you place less or more significance on money and the acquisition of it or would it remain the same?

I would have more mental energy left so obviously I would focus on it more, but it’s not moving up on my priority list or anything. It’s basically like now Inhave more free time to do other things, so those other things are what I’m gonna do, and it just so happens to be that money is one of those ‘other things’, I guess.

Would it affect your interest in the career you are pursuing or are already in?

No. Definitely not. I never even considered this even when I was little. It was always all about me. A bit egotistical, but true. The only thing that ever could be considered close to women would be that if I decided to have kids one day, I would have to make a lot of money so that I can give them more than my parents were willing to give me and my siblings. But my wife/lover? That thought honestly never crossed my mind. My top goals go much deeper than that, and I know the reasons why. But it’s too personal and so I’m not really willing to share why they are what they are.

Would it affect the way your living space and bedroom looks?

Right now, no. In the future, probably. I think I would likely be a little bit messier in my bedroom than I would otherwise, maybe the kitchen would have a couple more dishes that need to be washed but I don’t think by a whole lot.

Would it affect your motivation to engage in your hobbies, such as to work out, learn how to dance, learn how to play an instrument, etc?

No. Maybe learning how to dance, but that already isn’t even a hobby of mine. I’d only want to learn how to dance if I get married in the future and ts with my wife. I would never do it just for some random ho.

Would you still go out to bars and night clubs?

I don’t go to those and plan NOT to go either, so no.

Would it free up a lot of time in your life? What would you do with that time?

Well I mentioned this above previously. I’d sleep some more (maybe). Not by a whole lot, probably just a couple of hours a day (1-4 depending) but I might just use that time to screw around more. I might actually use it productively but I don’t know for certain. Procrastination for me is a different issue due to other reasons that are out of my control and due to my lack of will to brute-force change right now.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Without them id be able to focus more on my objectives and put myself first. I won't be bleeding confidence and resources on them. I probably wouldn't try to be as attractive in clothes. I'd still take care of my health. I think it would be less distraction over all. Most of them don't amplify my desires and confidence.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

That's a tough question to answer. I think it might even be impossible to answer.

I mean, every time you walk into a small shop or something, and you see two people, an ugly guy and a cute girl, you want to interact with the cute girl. Even if you say you "don't want to impress her," or you "don't care if you impress her," that would mean you honestly do not care if she smiles while you talk to her or not.

IF THAT were the case, meaning if I looked at cute girls the SAME WAY I look at dudes, I think I would become HORRIBLY depressed.

The Halo Effect is very real.

It would seem like every movie I watched was filled with dudes. Some movies are much better simply because of the mix of men and women.

EVERY video on YouTube would be like it was a dude.

If I got ZERO pleasure from watching women speak and walk and talk and respond to me, meaning telling a joke to an attractive woman FELT THE SAME as telling a joke to a dude, I would be depressed beyond belief.

I'll assume your question means only I would feel that way, and not all the dudes. I'll try to answer accordingly.

What would your life look like? Would the way you live your life change? What would you do differently?

Don't think it would change much day to day, but it would feel like a hole exists.

Would it affect how you feel about yourself, and the predominant emotions you have been experiencing?

What the heck would I do with all my boner energy?

Would how you see yourself in the mirror matter as much to you as it did before? Would you dress differently?

Not much different.

Would you place less or more significance on money and the acquisition of it or would it remain the same?

I'd still be plenty motivated by money.

Would it affect your interest in the career you are pursuing or are already in?

Not much.

Would it affect the way your living space and bedroom looks?

Not much.

Would it affect your motivation to engage in your hobbies, such as to work out, learn how to dance, learn how to play an instrument, etc?

Why the f would I want to learn how to dance? To dance with dudes, or girls that appear to my like dudes? Although I'd probably watch less movies, as every movie would be about a bunch of DUDES doing stuff. Gay love stories are only so interesting...

Would you still go out to bars and night clubs?

I don't think I would be interested in going anywhere with a significant amount of sexual energy.

No way I'd go to any place socially if I KNEW beforehand it would be filled with dudes (or girls that I thought were ugly and non-sexually attractive and may as well be dudes).

Would it free up a lot of time in your life? What would you do with that time?

Most definitely. I'd likely spend ALL my time thinking about money/power. Although that's hard to say since male thoughts about money and power are HIGHLY CORRELATED (even subconscious) to thoughts about ladies and sex.

Your question is kind of similar to trying to imagine if you weren't bothered by hunger. On the surface, it might seem fantastic. As you'd only eat the PERFECT combination of calories.

But in reality, people who NEVER feel hunger usually are significantly undernourished, and are close to death.

Forcing yourself to eat something that doesn't taste good and doesn't even give you any pleasure would SUCK.

It wouldn't be much different than giving yourself a protein shake enema three times a day.

 

[corrector]

Not in the sense that they literally did not exist (for obvious and practical reasons), but more in the sense that they did not matter. They had absolutely no influence in the daily decisions you make regarding any aspect of your life.

Now you could say that this is already a reality for you, in which case I’ll elaborate and say what if you woke up tomorrow and had zero desire to impress women, zero desire to have sex with them, zero desire to have a relationship or companionship with one. You had zero interest in influencing what women may or may not think about you. You’re essentially asexual, for all intents and purposes of this thought experiment, and to no degree does anything remotely related to the attraction and pursuit of women govern your behaviour.

I want to emphasize: I’m not asking what you would have done differently in the past or how your life would have been different leading up to today, I am asking how it would change your life if you woke up tomorrow and this was a reality.

Gee. That describes almost how I feel most of the time. It's called "giving up".

What would your life look like? Would the way you live your life change? What would you do differently?

I probably will feel happier about living at home and not really being independent since I won't think that there is a problem with my inner-game or set-up. I won't waste time looking at backpage or any other porn so I'll likely fap less or none at all and wouldn't worry about ever being in a place in life where I may want to visit an escort again, like back in 2014. Won't need to worry about if a cashier is friendly with me or not. Won't be eye-groping women or staring at their bums wanting to get them from behind. Probably less wondering around with the eyes.

Would it affect how you feel about yourself, and the predominant emotions you have been experiencing?

Won't feel like a reject.

Would how you see yourself in the mirror matter as much to you as it did before? Would you dress differently?

Not really

Would you place less or more significance on money and the acquisition of it or would it remain the same?

I won't feel like life is passing me by and I'm missing out if I'm too poor.

Would it affect your interest in the career you are pursuing or are already in?

Not really. Again, it's another area of frustration as it is already. It would make me feel less bad since I won't feel like I'm missing out because I can't afford a gf, wife, or have a set-up that a woman can fit into that set-up. Probably would be happier in that sense. Think it rubs off badly if you are broke or poor and you don't have a woman either. If you don't care about having a woman, then being broke or poor is more bearable.

Would it affect the way your living space and bedroom looks?

Not really.

Would it affect your motivation to engage in your hobbies, such as to work out, learn how to dance, learn how to play an instrument, etc?

Not really. Most of these hobbies are what you do when you don't have a woman anyway.[/quote][/I]

 

[marmel75]

Its not. I don't deal in theory I deal in reality. Kinda like these computer scientists who come up with all these great theories and cant program their way out of a paper bag because once they get out of fairy tale land they realize things dont work the way they've dreamt up in their minds all the time...

I'm a programmer I deal in reality.

 

[TheProspect]

Its not. I don't deal in theory I deal in reality. Kinda like these computer scientists who come up with all these great theories and cant program their way out of a paper bag because once they get out of fairy tale land they realize things dont work the way they've dreamt up in their minds all the time...

I'm a programmer I deal in reality.

Good for you, thanks for sharing

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So OP, tell us. How about you?

 

[devilkingx2]

I'd focus on my passions, mostly video games and other tech stuff. Also comedy even though in a world where i don't care about women i may not have bothered to spice up my personality with arrogance and humor, i may just be a stoic nerd in that timeline

 

[Spaz]

I already put myself first the majority of the time when it comes to women so there is very little that would change. I'm naturally a "if you like me great, if not hit the road" kind of guy. There is little I do in my life where the woman is the motivating factor. They have little influence over me.

If there was no women:
-I would live in a more remote area.
-I'd be more reckless, take more risks. I already take plenty.
-I'd go on more adventures.
-I'd likely drink more. I drink more when I'm single than I do in a relationship.
-I'd likely work even more than I do now.

The good thing about having a woman for me is:
-They help me relax.
-Help me take time out to stop and smell the roses.
-I'm a little more balanced with a woman than by myself.
-They help real me in a bit.

This is the perfect situation a man should be in.

Women r there to provide balance in a man's life.

When there r no feline influences men will generally be over adventurous towards work, drinking, hobbies, war, plunders, etc.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Not much actually, reading this thread I realized Im already living some kind of mgtow life style altough not by decision.

Nothing would change in terms of work or motivation given my need for social dominance and wealth, cant really see myself outside of a decent position.

Same thing for working out, I dont do it for myself only, I do it because size and quality are useful to deal with other men both in terms of conflicts and overall perception.

Right now I'm not going out much nor spending time and money on activities needed to meet women but I believe its because of a cost-benefit ratio, probably in a different setting I would behave differently.

When I was living in eastern europe, the hunt for women had much more allocated resources given the positive cost/benefit ratio.

 

[The Duke]

This is the perfect situation a man should be in.

Women r there to provide balance in a man's life.

When there r no feline influences men will generally be over adventurous towards work, drinking, hobbies, war, plunders, etc.

There is a flipside to becoming me.....I'm addicted to my freedom and its hard to give some of that up when you enter into a relationship. I've become more selfish. When I enter relationships I always get accused of caring less about the relationship than "she" does and I'm guilty of that. I always put far less effort into it than she will. I've become highly independent and no one has much to offer me.

I'm much like my Grandpa who came from a generation where the sole purpose of a woman was to support a man when he needed her to be there. The focus was on him. There is a reason they call these the people the "GREAT" Generation. The woman supported the man, the man was the leader, and so many great things came out of this era. The woman was not the focus of the relationship. With each decade we get further away from this, and I think it has almost flip flopped.

If you have ever sat down with 80-100yo men and listened to their stories you will realize they were far more masculine and many were quite the characters. You tend to have good stories to tell when there isn't so much feminine influence and its because of those things you mentioned.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

I'd focus on my passions, mostly video games and other tech stuff. Also comedy even though in a world where i don't care about women i may not have bothered to spice up my personality with arrogance and humor, i may just be a stoic nerd in that timeline

"In that timeline" made me laugh for some reason. Instant mental imagery of you sending a terminator sideways in time to save yourself from stoic nerdism.

 

[fastlife]

I think this is a useful mental exercise--it's always good to take self-inventory & to endeavor to live more authentically & to be self-validated--but I think the premise is flawed: You have to put in the work, put yourself through uncomfortable situations, achieve success with the women you want, before you can really internalize what's You vs. What you Do because you think it'll give you success with women while exposing yourself to as little potential rejection as possible.

And even then, there are still all kinds of little nasty ego-attachments that take years to iron out. At this point in my journey, I think the only thing that would really change is that I'd leave my house less often (which is really the only conscious effort I put in to meeting women). But getting to that point took some pretty drastic action to convince myself that I was enough in and of myself without relying on external props.

 

[Spaz]

There is a flipside to becoming me.....I'm addicted to my freedom and its hard to give some of that up when you enter into a relationship. I've become more selfish. When I enter relationships I always get accused of caring less about the relationship than "she" does and I'm guilty of that. I always put far less effort into it than she will. I've become highly independent and no one has much to offer me.

I'm much like my Grandpa who came from a generation where the sole purpose of a woman was to support a man when he needed her to be there. The focus was on him. There is a reason they call these the people the "GREAT" Generation. The woman supported the man, the man was the leader, and so many great things came out of this era. The woman was not the focus of the relationship. With each decade we get further away from this, and I think it has almost flip flopped.

If you have ever sat down with 80-100yo men and listened to their stories you will realize they were far more masculine and many were quite the characters. You tend to have good stories to tell when there isn't so much feminine influence and its because of those things you mentioned.

From a man's perspective, nothing selfish, in fact it's perfectly normal.

What's abnormal is a man conforming to what a woman "thinks" how a man should act in a "relationship" - that encompasses almost every single aspect of what you as a man does, do, planning to do with his life.

Perhaps the most apt question one should find himself asking; what's the definition of relationship for a man.

 

[Grit-Persist]

Not in the sense that they literally did not exist (for obvious and practical reasons), but more in the sense that they did not matter. They had absolutely no influence in the daily decisions you make regarding any aspect of your life.

Thread and post makes no sense. Number one, for biological reasons obviously, if women didn't exist I wouldn't be here. Number two, for social/cultural reasons as well, if women didn't exist I wouldn't be here.

There's a masculine and feminine dynamic to everything in life. Nobody is 100% anything. It's also why anonymous, broke, MGTOW guys on this forum can never truly "go their own way" and completely cut themselves OFF from women (they claim they are going their own way but stay on the internet discussing women all day) because the feminine dynamic is a REQUIREMENT to a man's existence.

This forum and the Manosphere is getting too cartoonish. This market of women have fallen completely off in terms of long term dating prospects, but under no circumstances can you EXIST in this world without women and the feminine dynamic. Even if you go GAY, there's a masculine/feminine dynamic to that aspect.