How do you deal with undermining dudes

[devilkingx2]

One time, a long time ago (fall 2015 perhaps) i was on a train in NYC going home from the college i went to at the time, i chatted up an eastern european girl across from me that had luggage, turns out she was going home and on her way to the airport (she was on vacation in NYC) i think she was from poland, she was late 20s i believe, i was like 18

Anyway, we were talking and then suddenly a dude who was like mid 40s interrupted me and starting talking to her, basically shutting me out and taking all of her attention, he was aggressively running game and it kept her attention but i don't think she liked it much, still i figured that the fact that she turned away from me to talk to him meant that the winner had been decided and there wasn't anything i could do, so i shrugged sat back and went back on my phone since I'd never see her again or have a chance to smash either way

The old guy asks for her number, she makes some excuses not to give him any contact info then he walks off, she turns to me and says something like "can you believe that guy?" Or something like that. And we keep talking for like 5 more minutes til i have to get off (in retrospect it seems like a pretty huge IOI that she immediately re engaged me the first chance she got, but i thought nothing of it at the time)

Essentially i had defeated a guy twice my age who had run game that i would've assumed was much better than mine (our chat was mostly just a friendly chat)... And i won. I didn't really do anything and i won anyway.

So OP here's what you do... Shrug it off and say/do nothing, you'll get a flawless victory every time.

 

[Spaz]

One time, a long time ago (fall 2015 perhaps) i was on a train in NYC going home from the college i went to at the time, i chatted up an eastern european girl across from me that had luggage, turns out she was going home and on her way to the airport (she was on vacation in NYC) i think she was from poland, she was late 20s i believe, i was like 18

Anyway, we were talking and then suddenly a dude who was like mid 40s interrupted me and starting talking to her, basically shutting me out and taking all of her attention, he was aggressively running game and it kept her attention but i don't think she liked it much, still i figured that the fact that she turned away from me to talk to him meant that the winner had been decided and there wasn't anything i could do, so i shrugged sat back and went back on my phone since I'd never see her again or have a chance to smash either way

The old guy asks for her number, she makes some excuses not to give him any contact info then he walks off, she turns to me and says something like "can you believe that guy?" Or something like that. And we keep talking for like 5 more minutes til i have to get off (in retrospect it seems like a pretty huge IOI that she immediately re engaged me the first chance she got, but i thought nothing of it at the time)

Essentially i had defeated a guy twice my age who had run game that i would've assumed was much better than mine (our chat was mostly just a friendly chat)... And i won. I didn't really do anything and i won anyway.

So OP here's what you do... Shrug it off and say/do nothing, you'll get a flawless victory every time.

I like that word "flawless victory"...

Now going back to OP's situation, I'll handle it differently.

When it's just between 2 of us I'd choose to remain quiet and ignore any insults he throws at me.

But when he does insult me in a group setting with both s€x€s then I will respond in a fashion that would most certainly evoke an emotional response from him - then laugh it off and say I'm joking just like he did just now. No hard feelings right? Pat him nicely on the shoulders and smile.

Example; When he starts to put me down in front of the group I'll laugh and ask him how's his wife/gf/mother, because yesterday night I was butt fvcking her and she was screaming yelling out my name in ecstasy.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I think it’s about time you call this pansy out.

 

[Roober]

Sounds like he is burying himself, and he is inherently very weak. What have I found to work on people like this? Give them the opposite of what they want, attention. Get to know him, get to understand him. Hell, ask him to grab a drink. Get on his level. Get him talking about himself. You can essentially game him the same way you game a woman. When you have a good understanding of social dynamics, you will begin to understand that everyone can be manipulated, EVERYONE can be had! It is just a matter of finding the right trigger.

If someone is incessantly annoying, you bring them closer. He will begin to respect you and his annoyances will turn into just general crap guys mess around about. You will realize that by being the bigger man, you can bend anyone to your will. They will WANT to help you, and be in your service. I guarantee I could do this to anyone.

I would recommend reading some Dale Carnegie books on leadership. Start with "how to win friends and influence people"

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Sounds like he is burying himself, and he is inherently very weak. What have I found to work on people like this? Give them the opposite of what they want, attention. Get to know him, get to understand him. Hell, ask him to grab a drink. Get on his level. Get him talking about himself. You can essentially game him the same way you game a woman. When you have a good understanding of social dynamics, you will begin to understand that everyone can be manipulated, EVERYONE can be had! It is just a matter of finding the right trigger.

If someone is incessantly annoying, you bring them closer. He will begin to respect you and his annoyances will turn into just general crap guys mess around about. You will realize that by being the bigger man, you can bend anyone to your will. They will WANT to help you, and be in your service. I guarantee I could do this to anyone.

I would recommend reading some Dale Carnegie books on leadership. Start with "how to win friends and influence people"

Me being in my early 30s I don't have time to get too know him nor game him. I will be the bigger man which is the conclusion I have come to. I've read Dale Carnegie, he is of no use to me (the underminer) I am disengaging from him

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

When you start moving up the hierarchy in whatever way (fitness, money, girls), you will get more and more haters. Comes with the territory.

Great post. When I started working out, I found that the reaction was split evenly between people saying I looked good, and other men who would try and pick holes in my fitness ("You need to work on X" or "Your running fitness is probably poor though") and put me down at every opportunity.

Jealousy is a really weird thing, I think it's just the last refuge of the inadequate. Much easier to b*tch at someone for their success than get off your butt and get your s*** together after all.

The people with the weakest self-esteem are the first to try and insult others or drag them down to their level.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I'm going to change it up to men....everyone wants to talk down on women, but men these days are some of the biggest coward chicken crap spineless B*tches I have ever met..

Mate, I agree. 99% of men now a days are spineless wonders, captain save a hoe, and really low testosterone. The sound of their piss hitting the porcelain sounds feminine.


But, lets back it up. It don't matter if this is the UK or America. We go the girl power parade on steroids. 'You go girl' for cucking their husband, for being a single mom, for high kill count, for initiating 70/8-% of divorce, for running off with a man's resources, children (assuming they are his), for being a single mom on the cawk carousel, and the list goes on.

Where the **** do you think these so called men came from? Single mom households. Households whereby a mother is a tyrant, a house where emasculating his father, a household whereby if the father steps up, she screams domestic abuse, and takes all his resources. Its ten fold in these fallout situations.


The solution is not getting married or living common law. If she is low hanging fruit, she is Netflix and chill material if hawt. There is a lot of women that have no self-respect, diva behavior on steroids, high kill count, sex vids online, and some cuck will marry her. There is a reason for the red pill community, for MGTOW, and yet, you still have to think for yourself. Freely thinking goes a long way. How? Explore consciousness. Seek self knowledge. Nobody can tell you how to actually live. Its part of the journey. Fortunately, I never grew up in a single mom household. That cuck crying on tv during jersey shore was a classic example of a man child growing up in a single mom household. Manipulated by his mom. Manipulated by women. Wake up guys!

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

Just check him and keep it moving. Next time you're in a group setting and he says something stupid again just look him in the eye and say "Chill".

He'll either shut up or get defensive. Either way he'll look like an idiot.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Mate, I agree. 99% of men now a days are spineless wonders, captain save a hoe, and really low testosterone. The sound of their piss hitting the porcelain sounds feminine.

I laughed out Loud at this

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

A thing I've noticed that I find particularly amusing is that these passive-aggressive, sneaky undermining types who relish drama and workplace one-upmanship often seem to be deluded narcissists in addition to spineless.

They have this self-image that they are genius chess-masters of complex political intrigue, manipulating everyone to their will while no-one realises. They also think that this "clever manipulation" makes them popular and somehow invaluable. They see themselves as the Lord Baelish of the work place, for Game of Thrones viewers.

But ask anyone in the office who is moderately intelligent what they think of these people, and the result is almost always "Untrustworthy, unreliable" or "A massive d*ckhead, can't stand him/her". Their behaviour is laughably transparent!

There are a couple at my workplace and they always wonder why they're not invited to parties, even as they go around gossiping and sticking the knife into others.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

A thing I've noticed that I find particularly amusing is that these passive-aggressive, sneaky undermining types who relish drama and workplace one-upmanship often seem to be deluded narcissists in addition to spineless.

They have this self-image that they are genius chess-masters of complex political intrigue, manipulating everyone to their will while no-one realises. They also think that this "clever manipulation" makes them popular and somehow invaluable. They see themselves as the Lord Baelish of the work place, for Game of Thrones viewers.

But ask anyone in the office who is moderately intelligent what they think of these people, and the result is almost always "Untrustworthy, unreliable" or "A massive d*ckhead, can't stand him/her". Their behaviour is laughably transparent!

There are a couple at my workplace and they always wonder why they're not invited to parties, even as they go around gossiping and sticking the knife into others.

This is so true its as if they think no one will notice because they are so "clever" or "obfuscated" We are all in a group chat, and he actually was messaging the group as well as me and our goals. He started off fine, had some good things to say in general, then kind of undermined me ( said I share a bit of content when I share 90 percent of content and my discoveries and research, but didn't want to come off as petty.Said he shares a lot, but that's not true he probably shares the least if not least 2nd to least), he did conclude at the end that I was right all this time (wasn't even my goal had to add a masculine edge make sure everyone is on the same page and doing their part to make these ends meet). As far as trust goes I can't, but I won't burn the bridge down either, remained focused on myself and the goal and not expend valuable energy on negativity. My gut feeling is the first feeling I am going with, and its don't trust him. As far as the others in the group I'm not sure all the members see it, maybe 1 or 2. But as long as we get on the same page as a group to make this work I am happy to oblige and be apart of it

 

[Black Widow Void]

Try this:
"Louie, when my sister was eight or nine years old, she'd project all her insecurities on to others because .. well, I guess that any attention is better than no attention at all. I'm reminded of this because.. well? I keep wondering when you are going to stop vying for my attention?"

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Whoa

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Well stuff hit the fan today..with this "group" in a group message with this liberals....yes I said it liberals (I am politically atheist) they were talking about meeting up at a persons house, this person has a transgender other, cool the person announces this and was like "call her by pronouns" to I put a laughing face, she then retorts to what is so funny? I said pronouns I'm laughing at pronouns, then the whole group pounced on me, making up likes and spewing half truths. I posted some pro gun stuff on my facebook and they get offended cause it supposedly doesn't work. Cool that's your opinions and you are entitled to it. Yesterday one of them posted a trump meme as a joke I was like hail trump as a joke, I even stated afterwords just joking because I had a gut feeling they wouldn't take it as a joke lol (I was right) so basically the punched on me, calling me a trump supporter, saying my stance on guns are wrong, saying I have gender problems because I told them about toxic femininity and 3rd wave feminism. So apparently they claim I am toxic, the undermining social justice warrior probably had a big hand behind the scenes, they guys is amazing for getting people to feel sorry for him, kudos to him. Of course they took things out of context, lied and twisted stuff I said, but I have it all screenshotted.

I was expecting this, they said look at him now that he is cornered I was laughing to myself cause they had to lie and all they do is gossip about each other. I'm free now and so glad, this is the one aspect of MGTOW I agree with 100 percent, do your own thing, people are toxic, broken, easily manipulated and you don't have to deal with it. I don't want to come off of a victim as I am stubborn and can be abrasive, and my methods might be wrong, but I own up to it. Its sad when people lie twist your words, judge, label you and lie together....typical herd mentality, they seen my passion was growing I'm glad I'm going full monk mode and never looking back, the jealous vile stuff I heard shows me the hearts of many people....overlooking all the things I've done contributed, all the nice gestures and respect what do I get in return? Twisted lies and half truths.....and you know what? I'll work on my own flaws and own up to it screw these chumps

 

[wifehunter]

people misbehaving = walk away

Save yourself the headache.

In general, avoid low quality people.

"Forsake the foolish, and go in the way of understanding."

 

[PeasantPlayer]

its clear you get your kicks off trolling them but you cant hold things down on your own.

sometimes its not other people and the world thats wrong. sometimes its you guys

I'm not trolling its my facebook so I can post what I want. Hence me being pro gun and posting it
The lies they made up are another issue, don't have to agree with me, but lying and twisting the truth is pathetic and low quality

Only one person in the group kept it neutral, which I respect. But the lies and distortion? nah....that's trash. I offended some snow flakes guess its time to suppress myself and not be me....kind of scary to think about, I owned up to my flaws....

 

[greatsnake]

you simply don't deal with those folks.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I knew it was coming, its tough not having a hive mentality. Double standards all across the board. Moving on motivated!

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

Unfortunately it's "trendy" at the moment to go along with Far-Left SJW bulls*** instead of calling it out. It's like how pretty much every comedian is always very Left wing with their jokes - because it's very easy, lazy and fashionable to knock the establishment but on the other hand it requires serious balls to call out BS on the Left because they're so vocal and outraged all the time.

That's why you have to box smart in the workplace/social groups like this.

Going along with Regressive Left nonsense like this turns you into yet another SJW white-knight p*ssy Yes Man who only nods and approves loudly of gender-neutral pronouns to sound "liberal" and "cool". Women and others won't respect that, because you're just being +1 to the Hive-Mind, and you won't feel comfortable because you're being disloyal to your own beliefs.

On the other hand, going completely against it lets these p*ssy Yes Men portray you as some sort of caveman and gain social proof, cutting you out of the group.

So how do you win? Don't engage with it at all, just acknowledge it and remain non-committal. Rise above it. Smile when they make stupid jokes (even if you don't agree with the politics) and just act like you're not really listening. Like when a chick starts mentioning other guys - the old "Hm. Well, I got places to be, see ya." routine.

I befriended a group of people who did drugs once. I hate drugs. I did this by just showing disinterest when they started talking about it, and never committing to an opinion one way or the other. People fill in the blanks themselves and just assume you're like them. They were all really surprised when I said I wasn't into legalising weed or whatever, but we'd established a friendship strong enough that by then my differing politics didn't matter.

I've actually had a girl s*** test me once by asking if I was into ultra-liberal politics. I just said no, honestly. She breathed a sigh of relief and told me she was f***ing tired of men saying yes to that all the time!

There's this balding, unkempt nerdy guy on my FB who I don't think has ever had a GF, and he constantly posts all this SJW s*** about gender neutrality and blah blah blah, it's almost painful to see him trying so f****ing hard to appeal to women by feminising himself with these BS politics...though it's also hilarious how they all hate him even when he's cutting his balls off trying to appease them.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

You nailed it, that last part about the bald dude describes that undermining punk hahahaha