Arguments against Looks, MONEY and Status?

[Urbanyst]

Wondering if anyone on this forum really believes a guy can thrive with HOT women without having either looks, MONEY or status? Does anyone here really believe it?

I can find next to no good examples of women choosing men without at least one of the big three. The only exception I can think of is security/power. When a woman is nearing the wall or past the wall and she seeks out a secure relationship where she has all the power. So, she might date or marry a fat, ugly or broke guy for the security of assuming he will never abandon her.

Outside of that, you need looks, MONEY or status to enter the club of men dating HOT women.

I think the simplicity of the red pill is often lost because of PUA clowns trying to cash in on men who are failing with women by selling them voodoo "game" psychology and other tricks design to create the illusion of status where no real status is present lol.

 

[skinnyguy]

I can’t think of exceptions. I think looks are the most important thing. Even if you lay women because of money, it’s just because they are trying to use you and it’s not necessarily due to attraction. Women you you lay cause you are hot are much better and more rewarding.

A guy with good looks will have the respect of all women and will always be treated seriously. James Franco was accused of sex assault and there were women saying “he can assault me any time!” Stark contrast to Harvey Weinstein who is much wealthier.

 

[Infern0]

If you dont have ANY of those things then basically you are a loser, and shouldnt expect the universe to give you a "pity gf"

MOST guys if they make an effort have the ability to have at least one of those things, if not then nature will erase their bloodline.

Thats just evolution.

 

[Urbanyst]

I can’t think of exceptions. I think looks are the most important thing. Even if you lay women because of money, it’s just because they are trying to use you and it’s not necessarily due to attraction. Women you you lay cause you are hot are much better and more rewarding.

A guy with good looks will have the respect of all women and will always be treated seriously. James Franco was accused of sex assault and there were women saying “he can assault me any time!” Stark contrast to Harvey Weinstein who is much wealthier.

The truth about looks has always been painfully obvious. It can be easily seen through racial preferences.

Also, while race is primarily about looks, there are elements of status connected to it also. These PUA's telling you that "game" will gain you entry to HOT women are full of sh*t. You need one of the big three FIRST. Then game will help you up your numbers.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Yes, in youth.

Probably not past age 23.

 

[Bible_Belt]

If you need looks, status, or money to get laid, how come poor people reproduce so quickly? Are the men all beautiful? Or are all the women ugly?

Just watch the world population count scroll by: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Those are just babies, men getting laid is a lot more frequent. What percentage of these men have the looks, money, and/or status that you perceive as necessary?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

If you need looks, status, or money to get laid, how come poor people reproduce so quickly? Are the men all beautiful? Or are all the women ugly?

Just watch the world population count scroll by: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Those are just babies, men getting laid is a lot more frequent. What percentage of these men have the looks, money, and/or status that you perceive as necessary?

Because impoverished people have to get enjoyment out of life's simple pleasures. They're not working 9-5. And they might not have birth control and condoms.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Because impoverished people have to get enjoyment out of life's simple pleasures.

Yes, we do! You should try it. Go get enjoyment out of life's simple pleasures. And a bunch of pvssy. I'll take that over looks, money, and status.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Yes, we do! You should try it. Go get enjoyment out of life's simple pleasures. And a bunch of pvssy. I'll take that over looks, money, and status.

I do.

With prostitutes.

(Which I realize costs money, but my point remains)

 

[zekko]

Wondering if anyone on this forum really believes a guy can thrive with HOT women without having either looks, MONEY or status? Does anyone here really believe it?

This reminds me of something Rollo used to say when he used to post on here frequently. He said something like "Looks, money, status, game. Have two. But if you can have only one, have game".

I'm not sure I agree with that, but whatever. If I could only have one, I'd take the money. Not to get women, but just because you can use money to get so many different things in life. It's by far the most versatile and useful thing on that list, IMO.
When you get to be my age, you think about how important health is also.

 

[Urbanyst]

If you need looks, status, or money to get laid, how come poor people reproduce so quickly? Are the men all beautiful? Or are all the women ugly?

Just watch the world population count scroll by: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Those are just babies, men getting laid is a lot more frequent. What percentage of these men have the looks, money, and/or status that you perceive as necessary?

Status comes in many forms.

A poor guy who manages a Walmart is a king among cashiers lol. And yes.. most poor women are ugly.

 

[Urbanyst]

This reminds me of something Rollo used to say when he used to post on here frequently. He said something like "Looks, money, status, game. Have two. But if you can have only one, have game".

I'm not sure I agree with that, but whatever. If I could only have one, I'd take the money. Not to get women, but just because you can use money to get so many different things in life. It's by far the most versatile and useful thing on that list, IMO.
When you get to be my age, you think about how important health is also.

Absolutely.

Unlike most younger guys, I've always thought about the impact of time on my life and how eventually I will be old and lose my looks. Sh*t I can lose my looks in a car accident tomorrow. So even though I'm good looking, I never took my looks for granted and I worked hard to make MONEY. Without MONEY its hard to be in good health after a certain age. And without good health, life is sh*t.

 

[Trump]

I think the simplicity of the red pill is often lost because of PUA clowns trying to cash in on men who are failing with women by selling them voodoo "game" psychology and other tricks design to create the illusion of status where no real status is present lol.

Met a very pretty 25 year old Asian girl yesterday. She had a boyfriend who;

1) works as a social worker
2) does not have his own place (they have been renting together for 2 years)
3) makes less money than her
4) his life passion is bowling

She was going to marry him and be his WIFE. Why was she with him? Because they knew each other since they were 13.

Doesn’t matter how much money you have, cant make up for the connections you made, or didn’t make, in your youth.

 

[Urbanyst]

Met a very pretty 25 year old Asian girl yesterday. She had a boyfriend who;

1) works as a social worker
2) does not have his own place (they have been renting together for 2 years)
3) makes less money than her
4) his life passion is bowling

She was going to marry him and be his WIFE. Why was she with him? Because they knew each other since they were 13.

Doesn’t matter how much money you have, cant make up for the connections you made, or didn’t make, in your youth.

Meh.

I feel like I addressed this in the OP:

The only exception I can think of is security/power. When a woman is nearing the wall or past the wall and she seeks out a secure relationship where she has all the power. So, she might date or marry a fat, ugly or broke guy for the security of assuming he will never abandon her.

Familiarity and trust is a form of status. Its called the "incumbent advantage" lol. Its also what gives celebrities status. They are familiar and known.

 

[user43770]

Yes, we do! You should try it. Go get enjoyment out of life's simple pleasures. And a bunch of pvssy. I'll take that over looks, money, and status.

"To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise, you are doomed to a routine traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen who play with their boats at sea... "cruising" it is called. Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the wanderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in. If you are contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is all about.

"I've always wanted to sail to the south seas, but I can't afford it." What these men can't afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in the cancerous discipline of "security." And in the worship of security we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know it our lives are gone.

What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in - and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in the material sense, and we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade.

The years thunder by, The dreams of youth grow dim where they lie caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it, the tomb is sealed.

Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy of purse or bankruptcy of life?"

- Wanderer

I have a job that I like, making decent money, but that quote has stuck with me.

Sterling Hayden, a famous actor in the 1940's and 50's, gave up acting to join the military during WW2. In his later life, he gave it up again to sail the world with his children...even though his ex-wife and the court forbade it.

Great man. Great book, too.

 

[Magotrox]

Masculinity is more than looks, money and status. Without them, however, you'll have a lower range of girls to aim, but still can have success if you develop the other aspects of your masculinity, like your social intelligence or knowledge, masculine behavior. In fact, a man should always look to the ways he can get better values on all the aspects of his masculinity to have better achievements. Kaizen on all aspects of masculinity. An HABIT on getting better day by day.

 

[user43770]

its funny you quote this.

someone once told me "the trick is, to get out of the rat race as young as you can" and ive always kinda felt this way myself but lately....

right now i feel like im at a place most guys dont reach till theyre in their 50s mentally.

i have fun. tons of hobbies and interests. know how to enjoy myself and the little things. women are the least of my concern. theyre not really even in the equation when theyre easy to come by. i just want to do what i love. i have a few fishing buddies that travel all over the world to different fishing spots. i might join them soon. or i might start my own charter business somewhere in cabo. i would love to get into spearfishing but NYC offers very little opportunity for that. thats the life i dream of. surfing and fishing all day. hangin with buds and babes all night without a care in the world. i talk to lots of older guys at work and they all tell me the same story "yea my buddy sold his company/most of his properity, got divorced and started doing xyz" most guys dont know what it is to live life by doing what THEY love. it takes guys YEARS to figure this out. they dont realize they have the keys to their own prisons.

why would i worry about climbing some corporate ladder, bidding and hoping to get big jobs, worry about getting some promotion, stress out about some girl whos gonna lose her appeal when a better one comes along etc when i could be doing what I REALLY LOVE

people who put TOO MUCH importance on money, never got over never having it, or are lacking in other aspects of their character or life. theyd cry bitter afc tears if they knew how many beautiful women are out there fvcking guys who dont have a dollar to their name and havent showered in days. thats how those of us who know better can see through their insecure acts and lack of real experience. i dont think its a coincidence that people who are workaholics or obsessed with wealth, are 90% of the time, intolerable people to listen to, be around or are flat out boring.

I quoted Bible because I know he's privy to the game and I knew he'd appreciate the quote. Glad you did, too.

Those that lack meaning in their life have to create meaning somewhere, and most choose chasing money. And why not? It's the universal sign of success. It gives them something to talk about when the inevitable "what do you do?" question comes up. It makes them feel valuable, finally! And deep down, everybody just wants to be told they're awesome.

We all have to find our reasons to keep on living in this world. If money is the only thing you've managed to find, great. Just fvck off about it already @Urbanyst

 

[Von]

Personality

 

[Southbound29]

Looks help but it's not a sole determining factor. Apparently I'm a 9-10. I can say this confidently because I get unsolicited feedback from a lot of women in person, on POF, fetlife and tinder. Where I struggle is my social awkwardness. I luck up and close women when I' in the zone but it's usually miss more than hit.

On the flipside my best friend is an average looking dude a little shorter than myself, not very muscular with a few rotten front teeth. This guy is alpha as ****. His dad is a career criminal and his family are addicts. He grew up in a male dominated atmosphere and he naturally has a swagger that attracts women. I have personally witnessed him **** an Instagram model and he nailed a modelmayhem chick that was in love with me but I was unable to close. I have talked about her in a post on here before.

Funny thing is he's a good guy. he's nice to people and he will help them out if he can. On the other hand he's one of those that will **** you over as long as it's subtle and won't put you in danger financially or physically. I've watched him and how he acts and interacts with people and I can honestly say he's the most confident dude I've ever met. So even though I've made a short story long I will say looks do help but confidence does a **** ton more.

 

[Urbanyst]

You would have to basically live under a rock to believe this

LOL. To believe what?

Bro, you can't just come in here with a statement like that and not support it or explain it in anyway.