You can't be alpha as possible and be in a relationship

[captain55]

I think a common misconception here is that by acting alpha you can keep a woman interested in you being in a committed relationship. Here is the bitter truth- you will NEVER be as alpha as the guys she ****ed that wouldn't commit to her. The only exception is if she's been a slut her whole life and you somehow were the first guy in years to get her to commit to. But why would you want a girl like that anyways?

Guys dont realize this but by committing to a chick and being exclusive you are automatically telling a woman that she is equal or above you in SMV and she is the best you can do. Now before any of you in relationships get defensive and tell me that you can get any girl you want you just like the girl your with, that may be true. But women DON'T think this way. Even if you are above her in SMV, if your in a relationship with her she will start to think her SMV is equal to you.

You want guaranteed way your current gf will always be attracted to you? You want to be the guy she thinks about the next five years when she's banging someone else? Never agree to be exclusive. Start spinning plates and ask for an open relationship. She may hate you, but in the long she will try even harder to keep you! amazing sex, cooking, etc.

I have a friend thats a 6/10 at best, years ago he got lucky and banged a model that you all have seen before standing at your local grocery store...all because he lied and told her he was rich as hell. The next day, he dumped her. Guess what? She still contacts him to this day years later. This is a guy with huge issues, average looking, who has never had a serious gf.....and the girl has dumped many better looking men than him including other famous models.

Now if your a 6 and somehow land a relationship with a 9, don't take this advice. But unless your current gf is significantly above you in SMV, don't bother being exclusive with her.

Guys with the whole mindset I'd rather find a 7 that treats me right than a 9 and deal with her bull**** are going to get ****ed over too and here is why. A man has no reason to stay on top of his game with a chick that doesn't have better SMV than he does. You will get lazy, stop courting her, (if you ever needed to court her at all) and she will probably leave you anyways. Been there done that....go for the unnatinable. When your with a woman significantly more attractive than you it brings your game to a new level. For this reason I would go as far to say that a 8/10 guy has a better chance of keeping a 9 than a 7...

 

[sosousage]

I have a friend thats a 6/10 at best, years ago he got lucky and banged a model that you all have seen before standing at your local grocery store...all because he lied and told her he was rich as hell. The next day, he dumped her. Guess what? She still contacts him to this day years later. This is a guy with huge issues, average looking, who has never had a serious gf.....and the girl has dumped many better looking men than him including other famous models.

But women dont care about money are you crazi

 

[foreverAFC]

it really does seem that most guys in relationships are suckers/provider type dudes

 

[Macaframalama]

Dude, you have a seriously skewed perception of what alpha actually is. There's some trends that seem to hold weight in your thread, but spinning plates and commitment have nothing to do with alpha virtue. This is some kind of fantasy metaphorical alpha virtue that someone has sold you along the way.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

One thing I don't get...

I pretty much assume that every girl has been with a lot of guys. Yet when I go out, I see 99% of guys having little to no success. And most of the guys that are with girls seem to be committed to them on some level. I don't know who these "alpha players" even are, or if they actually exist.

 

[CMNILS87]

You’re still looking at this the wrong way. She was an HB9 who threw down with an average Schlub. She put out after knowing a dude in the market, you really think she’s high value or has any good morals/virtues. Now she’s still calling him up to try and sucker in the “alpha” to steal his money. She’s hot, but still a trash can slut

I’m a 7 and my gf is about the same. She cleans and does my laundry and I cook. She wants me to move in, but I still say no. She wants me to really bad, I still say nah maybe later. She lost her keys in an Uber and called me up in the middle of the night to grab her spare from me, I gave her holy hell for waking me up and not bring responsible... It’s all about frame regardless alpha/beta/omega.

 

[skinnyguy]

No sense being in a relationship if your goal is to **** around anyway. If you wanna be a player, just meet chicks for a ONS and dont call them again. Why would you keep being a beta provider for some slut?

I know plenty of guys who are successful and married. Are they happy? Can't say for sure but I imagine. Their wife is not "controlling" them. She's being a wife - taking care of kids, cooking, etc. I am sure they are GLAD to give up a little alpha in order to go home to their wives every night instead of trolling the bars, and beating off to porn.

Some of these guys are executives in companies. If they weren't married, they would have never gotten promoted because most professional jobs judge you by your personal life. If you're some loser who cannot stay in a relationship, you will never get promoted to CEO. Having a wife in these certain instances increases your status and they see you as a reliable person.

 

[fanatic22]

I'm not going to turn down a relationship with a 9 (with a good personality) just because a 6 with issues dumped her and she was temporarily obsessed with him. He also is not more "alpha" than me for turning her down - maybe he just hates relationships, which not everyone does.

 

[Trump]

but spinning plates and commitment have nothing to do with alpha virtue. This is some kind of fantasy metaphorical alpha virtue that someone has sold you along the way.

Can you explain how committing to one women and being exclusive to her and having sex with only her is ‘alpha’?

 

[captain55]

I'm not going to turn down a relationship with a 9 (with a good personality) just because a 6 with issues dumped her and she was temporarily obsessed with him. He also is not more "alpha" than me for turning her down - maybe he just hates relationships, which not everyone does.

When did I ever say that you should turn down a woman because a man of lesser value didn't want her? I said that in order for a relationship to work, and for a man to respect a woman, she needs to have higher SMV than him. There has to be a chase to some degree. If a 9/10 threw herself at you, and slept with you on the first night without you ever really pursuing her, and immediately wanted a relationship with you do you think you will ever have a healthy relationship with her? Probably not. Because there was no challenge. There is no arguing with me because I've had the exact situation happen to me. A girl that many alpha men chased for years but could never get. I pulled with little effort... and because of this I never really put much effort into keeping her. Now if the same woman required me to pursue her for some time I might of respected her more. This game is about timing.

Lastly the point I was making, if you commit to a relationship....the chick assumes you can't do better and thats the bottom line. You are submitting yourself to her to a degree so it might as well be a chick out of your league. Do you really want some 7 thinking she's on your level? I know I don't.

 

[captain55]

You’re still looking at this the wrong way. She was an HB9 who threw down with an average Schlub. She put out after knowing a dude in the market, you really think she’s high value or has any good morals/virtues. Now she’s still calling him up to try and sucker in the “alpha” to steal his money. She’s hot, but still a trash can slut

I’m a 7 and my gf is about the same. She cleans and does my laundry and I cook. She wants me to move in, but I still say no. She wants me to really bad, I still say nah maybe later. She lost her keys in an Uber and called me up in the middle of the night to grab her spare from me, I gave her holy hell for waking me up and not bring responsible... It’s all about frame regardless alpha/beta/omega.

Ok you still are in the upper hand because you haven't moved in with her. That's probably one of the things that is keeping her attracted to you. Personally I could never be with a chick of equal SMV to me because I don't want her being jealous of the female attention I get. That's why you should date women hotter than you

 

[Red Legg]

Alpha is simply a state of mind and just doing whatever the fvck makes you happy and not caring what anyone else thinks (putting yourself first )...Damn the torpedo's full speed ahead..

 

[Macaframalama]

Can you explain how committing to one women and being exclusive to her and having sex with only her is ‘alpha’?

Can you explain how it isn't?

 

[Trump]

Can you explain how it isn't?

Sure.

Question dodging is a rhetorical technique involving the intentional avoidance of answering a question. This may occur when the person questioned either does not know the answer and wants to avoid embarrassment, or when the person is being interrogated or questioned in debate, and wants to avoid giving a direct response.

 

[CMNILS87]

Ok you still are in the upper hand because you haven't moved in with her. That's probably one of the things that is keeping her attracted to you. Personally I could never be with a chick of equal SMV to me because I don't want her being jealous of the female attention I get. That's why you should date women hotter than you

Yea but even if you date a woman slightly hotter. If you’re still getting attention from other women all the better. Light dread never hurt anybody

 

[Macaframalama]

Sure.

Question dodging is a rhetorical technique involving the intentional avoidance of answering a question. This may occur when the person questioned either does not know the answer and wants to avoid embarrassment, or when the person is being interrogated or questioned in debate, and wants to avoid giving a direct response.

Red Legg summed it up more expediently, than I care to articulate at the moment and that's just it. All this bullchit, that you read on forums like this is just that. Metaphorical bullchit, that wouldn't even be possible to speculate and theorize, without true alpha virtue.
1. Strength: Physical, mental, spiritual, collective thought and and agreed upon principles. This requires an Us vs Them perspective.
2. Courage: A man afraid of taking risks or fails to make sacrifices for the betterment of the group can't be counted on.
3. Mastery: Greater knowledge, increased insight, understanding, wisdom and striving for technical proficiency.
4. Honor: Your reputation amonsgt your peers and your commitment to them. Being able to be relied upon.

Everything else is just jerking off to speculation. The progression of successful societies are made possible by these four principles alone and it requires a tribe, a community, a FAMILY, a nation, etc. It requires boundaries and perimeters, both literal, as well as a collective thought, that is shared amongst your peers and protected. This is why marriage isn't beta and ties in with my other principles of getting women to invest, wether you need their resources or not, nor wether you desire to be married or not. You can get anyone to stick around, when they invest and feel a part of a bigger picture or a necessary spoke in the wheel w/ responsibilities and importantance. The family unit, culture and the collective thought of groups, families, communities, nations are the only thing standing in the way of globalism and ultimately slavery. If you ever ponder the meaning of life, it can be summed up in two words. Freedom and slavery. That's why alot of our politicians are so onboard with feminism. Look at the degredation of the public school system, pornography, music, film, sports, televised sports, PUA, fvcking women for sport, etc . A modern day Roman Colosseum of mediums to live out our masculinity vircareously, while supressing our true masculinity of making sacrifices and being a part of something bigger, than ourselves. A group, a tribe, a community, a FAMILY.
So much for going in detail.

 

[ohrein]

If you value the concept of being alpha more than being happy (in whatever way you want to achieve that), then you're just ****ing yourself. Why is being the ultimate alpha the ultimate goal? I wouldn't trade my partner for ten hot bitches. She's a real woman. No games, almost no **** tests, follows my lead, commits to my frame and gives me everything I could want from a woman. Why would I give that up to be "the ultimate alpha"? Nothing lasts forever and I'm constantly working on myself, so no fears about losing her. I'm yet to peak and maybe someone better comes along, who knows? I highly doubt it but we'll see. In the mean time, I'm getting everything I want. I'm too busy and bored of dating to **** around.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

If you value the concept of being alpha more than being happy (in whatever way you want to achieve that), then you're just ****ing yourself. Why is being the ultimate alpha the ultimate goal? I wouldn't trade my partner for ten hot bitches. She's a real woman. No games, almost no **** tests, follows my lead, commits to my frame and gives me everything I could want from a woman. Why would I give that up to be "the ultimate alpha"? Nothing lasts forever and I'm constantly working on myself, so no fears about losing her. I'm yet to peak and maybe someone better comes along, who knows? I highly doubt it but we'll see.

I think people who talk all this "alpha" nonsense are confused and juvenile.

 

[ohrein]

I think people who talk all this "alpha" nonsense are confused and juvenile.

You have to start there to improve. I get it. You're the prize, you're the top dog, women are lucky to have you, women are abundant. I think people just realize there's truth there and so they hold the principle up to the light like a perfect idea. You can take anything too far, though.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You have to start there to improve. I get it. You're the prize, you're the top dog, women are lucky to have you, women are abundant. I think people just realize there's truth there and so they hold the principle up to the light like a perfect idea. You can take anything too far, though.

I think a lot of the people on this site think alpha = go to gym, take MMA classes.

Life isn't that simple, especially since we're all bound by the law.