Christian Moral Structure

[Von]

So I saw the thread ''is it hard to be christian'' was closed. (don't want to have rant about why)

Dating a christian girl who recently threw at me : ''you have no moral structure''
To after my reply come back with ''I apologize, you are right, you have a moral code and its just different in our methods and approachs... it does make my mind going'' etc...

My question and answer request: ''What is the moral structure of a Christian?'' ... Aiming mostly at the Catholic Christians moral structure, concept, code and approach.

 

[logicallefty]

Tell her you are all the way down for what the Bible says, and quote these Bible verses to her:

Ephesians 5:22 - Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands
Ephesians 5:23 - For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church
Corinthians 14:34 - Women are to be silent in churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says

Just be prepared to have one angry b|tch on your hands. Maybe even fire and blood coming out of her eyes (and her 'whereever') lmfao!

 

[Bible_Belt]

You should distract her from her Bible talk with some romantic poetry:

How beautiful you are and how pleasing,
my love, with your delights!
Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
and your mouth like the best wine.

(just kidding, that is the Bible, The Song of Solomon)

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

So I saw the thread ''is it hard to be christian'' was closed. (don't want to have rant about why)

Dating a christian girl who recently threw at me : ''you have no moral structure''
To after my reply come back with ''I apologize, you are right, you have a moral code and its just different in our methods and approachs... it does make my mind going'' etc...

My question and answer request: ''What is the moral structure of a Christian?'' ... Aiming mostly at the Catholic Christians moral structure, concept, code and approach.

Here is the Catholic Structure of the Universe:

God
Man
Woman
Beasts
Inert Matter

This Great Chain of being is the most becoming of all worldviews, and is the only thing that could ever make a long term relationship aka marriage work.

 

[Billtx49]

Although you didn’t state the actual issues… Young men want sex, some Chrisian girls think the poon is a sacred item to be saved for marriage, especially if they’ve never been married before.
Came across that mindset before.… You can’t fight waht a woman believes to be true to her fairh…

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Tell her you are all the way down for what the Bible says, and quote these Bible verses to her:

Ephesians 5:22 - Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands
Ephesians 5:23 - For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church
Corinthians 14:34 - Women are to be silent in churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says

Just be prepared to have one angry b|tch on your hands. Maybe even fire and blood coming out of her eyes (and her 'whereever') lmfao!

Only if she is a fanatical feminist.

Most Church-bred women are demure and modest enough to follow the lead of a decent man.

 

[AJ84]

Only if she is a fanatical feminist.

Most Church-bred women are demure and modest enough to follow the lead of a decent man.

And those women expect a lot from their men in order to be worthy of him being her leader. And if that man isn't worthy the wife will tell her pastor and the church gets involved and is on his a** about it.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

And those women expect a lot from their men in order to be worthy of him being her leader. And if that man isn't worthy the wife will tell her pastor and the church gets involved and is on his a** about it.

No, that would be childish and telling tales.

Anyway, most pastors and churches are too egalitarian these days. You have to go to real Churches such as the Catholic Church and Greek Orthodoxy for hierarchy and order.

 

[exhausted]

So I saw the thread ''is it hard to be christian'' was closed. (don't want to have rant about why)

Dating a christian girl who recently threw at me : ''you have no moral structure''
To after my reply come back with ''I apologize, you are right, you have a moral code and its just different in our methods and approachs... it does make my mind going'' etc...

My question and answer request: ''What is the moral structure of a Christian?'' ... Aiming mostly at the Catholic Christians moral structure, concept, code and approach.

I started that thread and It ultimately was closed because of me as I went off my rocker on some guy who was shaming a Christian for not so to speak spreading the word. However you need to find out what she thinks you are missing as a Christian especially a female she will have high standards which is a great great thing as she will hold herself to their standards as well or at least usually. She probably is wondering if you are a good man if you value God your family and respect others. Look within yourself and identify your values ask her what she thinks is missing and then you can respond good luck

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Catholic's don't rely solely on the bible. Catholics believe in something called the "Magesterium," which is the sum total of all the "teachings," of which the bible is only one part. The official stance of the Catholic church is the bible must be taken as a complete entity, you can't pick and choose which passages you want.

The best summary of Catholic "morals" is the list of deadly and venial sins, seven deadly and a fvckload of venial sins.

Deadly Sins (commit these and you can't get into heaven unless you receive the sacrament of confession)

Gluttony
Lust/Fornication
Greed
Pride
Despair
Wrath
Vainglory
Sloth

Venial Sins Listed Here (there's a sh*tload, things like not praying daily, being lazy, etc.)

Bottom line is the "ideal" Catholic goes to church every Sunday, doesn't try to get rich, do your job, keep your head down, etc, don't cuss, don't lie, like a religions version of the Cleavers.

 

[BeExcellent]

Von it's a tough one. You are the man and you must lead her. You know this. She struggles because her deep seated values are in conflict with what she is doing/who she is with.

Ultimately this is going to come down to whether or not she can submit to you as her leader personally, regardless of whether or not you embody the Catholic manifests.

The thing is this is the type of woman who is going to take being a wife very seriously and being a mother seriously and she will hold the sexual union as sacred between the two of you. As you know that has great value. But she seems to keep throwing this enormous shjt test up regarding the Church teachings. I see that as frame push on her part and that is not submissive. Think of the atheist and his wife I told you about. Very happily married for 60-odd years. If YOU are the man for this woman then she needs to accept that you are the man she chooses and she moves forward. There really isn't another way.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Look at it in practical and cultural terms. The ultimate 'frame' is God. This creates the Chain of Being within which marriage is understood as sacred. Simples.

And an intelligent person should not have a problem with belief. It is only ideology [the obsession with certitude] that has a problem. True intelligence knows how to counter-balance Truth with Unity, Goodness and Beauty... the other forgotten transcendentals.

 

[princesimba]

As former pastor, stay away from ALL churches. Priests/pastors today are some of the biggest betas and cucks out there. Trust me I've seen some ****

The Bible is Red Pill as hell and nothing like what these jokers try to portray.

 

[speed dawg]

Young men want sex, some Chrisian girls think the poon is a sacred item to be saved for marriage, especially if they’ve never been married before.

This is true, but back in those days, marriages were arranged and people were married in their late teens.

 

[exhausted]

Catholic's don't rely solely on the bible. Catholics believe in something called the "Magesterium," which is the sum total of all the "teachings," of which the bible is only one part. The official stance of the Catholic church is the bible must be taken as a complete entity, you can't pick and choose which passages you want.

The best summary of Catholic "morals" is the list of deadly and venial sins, seven deadly and a fvckload of venial sins.

Deadly Sins (commit these and you can't get into heaven unless you receive the sacrament of confession)

Gluttony
Lust/Fornication
Greed
Pride
Despair
Wrath
Vainglory
Sloth

Venial Sins Listed Here (there's a sh*tload, things like not praying daily, being lazy, etc.)

Bottom line is the "ideal" Catholic goes to church every Sunday, doesn't try to get rich, do your job, keep your head down, etc, don't cuss, don't lie, like a religions version of the Cleavers.

As former pastor, stay away from ALL churches. Priests/pastors today are some of the biggest betas and cucks out there. Trust me I've seen some ****

The Bible is Red Pill as hell and nothing like what these jokers try to portray.

Disagree. There some good people out there.

 

[Billtx49]

This is true, but back in those days, marriages were arranged and people were married in their late teens.

It’s actually not a historical thing. Even these days the difference is in whether she lives and strictly adheres to her faith beliefs in real time, or only pays it lip service on Sunday.

 

[Von]

I am curious what you SS and DJ alike thought about the ''moral structure in Catholic Christianity''. I am happy to have ask... its a crash course....

As I date her... I seek to understand more... and glad you guys are helping.. cause I have to no time to focus on the Bible as I build my business and take over the family enterprise.

As a women, she is exactly what I want.... sadly: her religious values and conservative nature .. are red flag... added that she grew up in a '' sect '' style family ''secluded... us vs the world style and pray the lord''.. I mean they dont talk to anyone other than themselves (no even the ''aunt or cousin'') ...

I've been feeling more and more the ''you are not welcomed here''... since I am not of their faith + of the family... there was a reason the goverment had to involve itself twice in the family ..... any I stay strong and focus on the girl.

She has everything I seek has a partner... but she does take the ''ideology of her religion a bit far too my taste''... anyway she shows I am getting a betterman... cause its quite an improvement.

Right now my live is in scarcity and monk style... I am quite popular with the ladies however... they all come from where I got my GF... so I accept tips on spinning plate at the same place where she is (dance school etc..)_

Tell her you are all the way down for what the Bible says, and quote these Bible verses to her:


Just be prepared to have one angry b|tch on your hands. Maybe even fire and blood coming out of her eyes (and her 'whereever') lmfao!

Definitely will use this if I ever get mad ... I'll had some ''timothy'' in ... that I got from catholic hub... I did post my thread to have a ''crash course on value and moral''

You should distract her from her Bible talk with some romantic poetry:

(just kidding, that is the Bible, The Song of Solomon)

BeExcellent suggested me the same. I'll definitely throw in your romantic bible belt aspect one day.

Here is the Catholic Structure of the Universe:

God.

That's what she believes... everything links back to the ''lord'' aka Jesus... her first and only love etc..

I started that thread and It ultimately was closed because of me as I went off my rocker on some guy who was shaming a Christian for not so to speak spreading the word. However you need to find out what she thinks you are missing as a Christian especially a female she will have high standards which is a great great thing as she will hold herself to their standards as well or at least usually. She probably is wondering if you are a good man if you value God your family and respect others. Look within yourself and identify your values ask her what she thinks is missing and then you can respond good luck

I am and grew up pretty anti-religion... especially anti-christianity... the catholic side especially... our culture just got feed up of the buill**** pedophile and homos where throwing at us for the sake of ''jesus'' and having alot of money (i am from French Canda... so the Catholic Church abused at every level)

So I got stereotyped about it... I met her... pretty open about christianity... the only time I went to church was because of her... and everytime the ''passage'' said by the priest were supporting my claims of (sex, love, union, marriage)... and she agreed to it.

So the Bible and the Catholic priest were always supporting me (at least everytime I joined her) in my perception of love

Catholic's don't rely solely on the bible. Catholics believe in something called the "Magesterium," which is the sum total of all the "teachings," of which the bible is only one part. The official stance of the Catholic church is the bible must be taken as a complete entity, you can't pick and choose which passages you want.

The best summary of Catholic "morals" is the list of deadly and venial sins, seven deadly and a fvckload of venial sins.

Deadly Sins (commit these and you can't get into heaven unless you receive the sacrament of confession)

Gluttony
Lust/Fornication
Greed
Pride
Despair
Wrath
Vainglory
Sloth

Venial Sins Listed Here (there's a sh*tload, things like not praying daily, being lazy, etc.)

Bottom line is the "ideal" Catholic goes to church every Sunday, doesn't try to get rich, do your job, keep your head down, etc, don't cuss, don't lie, like a religions version of the Cleavers.

I am sooooo going to Hell.. but at least i'll be with my friends.... a place is just as fun as the people who fill it

Thanks for the list and the sins idea.. she mentionned how it could ''affect her''

Von it's a tough one. You are the man and you must lead her. You know this. She struggles because her deep seated values are in conflict with what she is doing/who she is with.

Ultimately this is going to come down to whether or not she can submit to you as her leader personally, regardless of whether or not you embody the Catholic manifests.

The thing is this is the type of woman who is going to take being a wife very seriously and being a mother seriously and she will hold the sexual union as sacred between the two of you. As you know that has great value. But she seems to keep throwing this enormous shjt test up regarding the Church teachings. I see that as frame push on her part and that is not submissive. Think of the atheist and his wife I told you about. Very happily married for 60-odd years. If YOU are the man for this woman then she needs to accept that you are the man she chooses and she moves forward. There really isn't another way.

I can't deny that.

She's in conflict between reality (her emotions) and what she read and followed all her life.

Her entire family was groomed by her father desire to be a saint.

Her siblings and parents look at me like I am an alien... yet my family who are ''infidels'' make her feel part of the family. etc...

She frame pust because of her ''christian ideology'' ... everytime I confronted her about it... she submitted really fast to me...

But I mentionned to her... she started getting annoying for me about these ''ideology'' and I am considering dating other girls at the same time etc... So I was really frank and open to her.

She does have the submitting qualities etc... but even her father said once '' my daughter expect her man to fulfill is christian duties'' etc.. . at the same table I was..

So I deal with an integrist/extremist catholic that was brought up in a ''sect'' style house.

I know frame push... when they start they never stop.... so I fronted her about it and she submitted all the time so far... I am always cool in the way I do it

You have the patiance of a saint, putting up with her (no pun intended). And she should be far more grateful for it.

Seriously think you should fvck her off out of it. You are bending over backwards for her, she's giving you the biggest case of blueballs in ss history, and now she's giving you a head-ache as well.

I am no saint trust me and I did profit of my ''opportunities'' outside of town

I do consider removing ''exclusivity'' and spinning plate... but I don't want to hurt her... I am in monk and scarcitity mode (making my choices harder)... I only focus on my business and my studies... other than her and my friends... dance and the gym are my only social activities (and work too)

I've noticed recently a few girls approached me and did all the IOI but they all from the same place where I pick my GF... the same dance school so I am hesitant in making more moves over there... althought 2 girls outright said they would sleep with meé

I am a bit emotionnally involved in her... but my life remains my priority... finishing my studies, growing my business., building my health.. so I know the outcome will not affect me much but I do wanna see me and her evolve

I've always been frank with her but I do lack options as in my ''mode'' i only meet potential plate at the same spot I meet her (oh her little sister is watching me often)

Deesade btw the music video you posted here on SoSuave was awesome... love the british punk/rock

To tell the truth to all the posters here.... My testoterone level is extremily low... I never get horny and I am not so sexual in return... I only get my D hard when I am in bed with the girl... maybe she's perfect for my internal and challenging issues (like lack of sex drive).... What I love in women is knowing I can get them but unti than I never have any feeling down there lol.

So its not hard for me to live my current situation. But the lack of knowing the relationship is ''real'' does affect me.

So I am open to options and focus on my life as I see where it goes with her...

I wanna learn as much and the quickest as possible, so I need reference points and you guys get me good stuff

 

[AJ84]

I am curious what you SS and DJ alike thought about the ''moral structure in Catholic Christianity''. I am happy to have ask... its a crash course....

As I date her... I seek to understand more... and glad you guys are helping.. cause I have to no time to focus on the Bible as I build my business and take over the family enterprise.

As a women, she is exactly what I want.... sadly: her religious values and conservative nature .. are red flag... added that she grew up in a '' sect '' style family ''secluded... us vs the world style and pray the lord''.. I mean they dont talk to anyone other than themselves (no even the ''aunt or cousin'') ...

I've been feeling more and more the ''you are not welcomed here''... since I am not of their faith + of the family... there was a reason the goverment had to involve itself twice in the family ..... any I stay strong and focus on the girl.

She has everything I seek has a partner... but she does take the ''ideology of her religion a bit far too my taste''... anyway she shows I am getting a betterman... cause its quite an improvement.

Right now my live is in scarcity and monk style... I am quite popular with the ladies however... they all come from where I got my GF... so I accept tips on spinning plate at the same place where she is (dance school etc..)_



Definitely will use this if I ever get mad ... I'll had some ''timothy'' in ... that I got from catholic hub... I did post my thread to have a ''crash course on value and moral''



BeExcellent suggested me the same. I'll definitely throw in your romantic bible belt aspect one day.



That's what she believes... everything links back to the ''lord'' aka Jesus... her first and only love etc..



I am and grew up pretty anti-religion... especially anti-christianity... the catholic side especially... our culture just got feed up of the buill**** pedophile and homos where throwing at us for the sake of ''jesus'' and having alot of money (i am from French Canda... so the Catholic Church abused at every level)

So I got stereotyped about it... I met her... pretty open about christianity... the only time I went to church was because of her... and everytime the ''passage'' said by the priest were supporting my claims of (sex, love, union, marriage)... and she agreed to it.

So the Bible and the Catholic priest were always supporting me (at least everytime I joined her) in my perception of love



I am sooooo going to Hell.. but at least i'll be with my friends.... a place is just as fun as the people who fill it

Thanks for the list and the sins idea.. she mentionned how it could ''affect her''



I can't deny that.

She's in conflict between reality (her emotions) and what she read and followed all her life.

Her entire family was groomed by her father desire to be a saint.

Her siblings and parents look at me like I am an alien... yet my family who are ''infidels'' make her feel part of the family. etc...

She frame pust because of her ''christian ideology'' ... everytime I confronted her about it... she submitted really fast to me...

But I mentionned to her... she started getting annoying for me about these ''ideology'' and I am considering dating other girls at the same time etc... So I was really frank and open to her.

She does have the submitting qualities etc... but even her father said once '' my daughter expect her man to fulfill is christian duties'' etc.. . at the same table I was..

So I deal with an integrist/extremist catholic that was brought up in a ''sect'' style house.

I know frame push... when they start they never stop.... so I fronted her about it and she submitted all the time so far... I am always cool in the way I do it



I am no saint trust me and I did profit of my ''opportunities'' outside of town

I do consider removing ''exclusivity'' and spinning plate... but I don't want to hurt her... I am in monk and scarcitity mode (making my choices harder)... I only focus on my business and my studies... other than her and my friends... dance and the gym are my only social activities (and work too)

I've noticed recently a few girls approached me and did all the IOI but they all from the same place where I pick my GF... the same dance school so I am hesitant in making more moves over there... althought 2 girls outright said they would sleep with meé

I am a bit emotionnally involved in her... but my life remains my priority... finishing my studies, growing my business., building my health.. so I know the outcome will not affect me much but I do wanna see me and her evolve

I've always been frank with her but I do lack options as in my ''mode'' i only meet potential plate at the same spot I meet her (oh her little sister is watching me often)

Deesade btw the music video you posted here on SoSuave was awesome... love the british punk/rock

To tell the truth to all the posters here.... My testoterone level is extremily low... I never get horny and I am not so sexual in return... I only get my D hard when I am in bed with the girl... maybe she's perfect for my internal and challenging issues (like lack of sex drive).... What I love in women is knowing I can get them but unti than I never have any feeling down there lol.

So its not hard for me to live my current situation. But the lack of knowing the relationship is ''real'' does affect me.

So I am open to options and focus on my life as I see where it goes with her...

I wanna learn as much and the quickest as possible, so I need reference points and you guys get me good stuff

There's a reason why most religious people marry like minded religious people.

I admire your willingness to understand her faith and adjust within your comfort zone but I doubt that will be enough. If you get married and have kids the religious thing will become that much more important to her and her family.

How much of your foundation are you willing and ready to change for her, and how much is she wiling and ready to change for you?

Bigger question: what prognosis do you give this relationship if being in it requires so much foundational change?

 

[Von]

There's a reason why most religious people marry like minded religious people.

I admire your willingness to understand her faith and adjust within your comfort zone but I doubt that will be enough. If you get married and have kids the religious thing will become that much more important to her and her family.

How much of your foundation are you willing and ready to change for her, and how much is she wiling and ready to change for you?

Bigger question: what prognosis do you give this relationship if being in it requires so much foundational change?

Brilliant comment.

I am quite adaptable in various matters but there is fondamentals i cant ignore, like there is fondamentals on her part.

Beside like you said: If I change for her..would i remain the man she LTR or she will lose respect/move on

I am open to her faith, but I did make clear that I would never be "extreme" like her.. and I am only doing this for her.

She has done changes in her life because of me... there is no doubt about that. She did show her commitment.

However the kid scénario does scare me à bit: for personal émotional reasons (to lose all control of my émotions investment... what if something like death happens... people tend to die alot around me) and ideological (what will her family try to control, educate, and how will it link to the réal world)

I am dating her (ltr) not the family.

Of course... i dont feel its à réal relationship (to many unknowns).. hence why i am playing with the thought to start seeing other girls.

I told her all of this.

Anyway, my studies and my business are driving me nuts... this morning my mom and I teased about cutting time investment in areas to focus on the business.. we joke cutting some of my LTR time especially since she ask for "space"

So, great girl, great value and material.. i believe in us..but I follow facts.

All the post here on the thread are great material for me to take and use in the LTR and see where it goes. One day at à time.

To your final ppoint: i dont believe in changes to please someone.... i believe in improvement.. In dating for me (like i date her for her)... so improvement only. Changing to change for someone else is bad and bad sign.
Change is from within

People fall in love with the person they meet and sometimes the improvement the person could be.

If you change... you arent what the person feel in love with and from there à spiral of pain ensue.

A few time she sought to hide her "faith" in our interactions in order to please me. I always called her on that (and to respect that part of her)

Anyway again, I want something réal and take it à day at à time... she is really low maintenance so it helps

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Brilliant comment.

I am quite adaptable in various matters but there is fondamentals i cant ignore, like there is fondamentals on her part.

I thought she was adverse to fondling you.