How do un-manly men get women?

[Herb]

Even though guides like the ones on this site and various other dating/women advice products tell you to behave a certain way, why is it that you still say many guys who blatantly violate all these rules and guidelines and still manage to have attractive girlfriends?

Like I know guys who are constantly goofy, annoying, act like juvenile highschool or college kids, are pretty beta, and in some cases guys who you'd even think are gay or bi by the way they talk and act or dress, with decently hot women (and physically they aren't anything particularly special either). There's no detached suaveness or masculinity or any of that. On paper I should be a much better prospect than many of these. Is it that being genuine sometimes pays off with certain women? Were they at one point more adhering to these rules but then after getting the girl just let their true nature come out and they stuck around regardless?

It's confusing.

 

[jaymbrs]

I always chalked it up to just knowing the right people. They probably have a strong network who put them down with someone they know.

 

[Urbanyst]

Woman care about VALUE for relationships.

They are not as sex driven as men.

"Manliness" in the traditional sense is only as attractive as it is USEFUL to the woman and her position. It stops being attractive when it causes problems.

For short-term flings women prefer manly men. But for relationships, those men are too difficult to manage and control. This is especially true after a woman passes 30.

 

[jaymbrs]

Woman care about VALUE for relationships.

They are not as sex driven as men.

"Manliness" in the traditional sense is only as attractive as it is USEFUL to the woman and her position. It stops being attractive when it causes problems.

For short-term flings women prefer manly men. But for relationships, those men are too difficult to manage and control. This is especially true after a woman passes 30.

Well I'm screwed.

 

[FairShake]

One of the ironies about life I've come around to noticing is that some of the most manly men are little boys when it comes to responsibility (real manhood) and some of the most beta goofs are the most grown up around.

 

[SeymourCake]

It may seem like they are getting women, but they are simply puppeteers who are obeying their puppet master (women). No different than a dog who seems loyal to his owner, but in reality all it wants is food, shelter and water. In other words, these "men" you speak of have resources and are blinded to the fact that they are being manipulated into giving their resources (be it money, humor, entertainment, time) to their parasitic vampire.

 

[byers90]

Sounds like you are jealous. Goofy, juvenile....point is they are getting women are they not? It might seem as if to YOU they have a bunch of bad traits, but there's also the possibility that were I or others to see some of these guys "in action" we'd be of the opinion they probably funny and charismatic...and "okay" guys if we'd get to know them. It's funny what jealousy can do to some people. God forbid they show some personality and not be the type that be off the side quiet, tight lipped and mean mugging everyone.

 

[lizardking82]

Opposites attract. For every unmanly man, there will be a woman that THINKS she likes to be in the leadership role, a woman that thinks her romantic version of a relationship is the one that she really wants. They toy around with that idea, but the tingles in her ***** go away quickly and then it's all doomed for these type of men.

One of the wrongest things they do is that they fall in the womanly version of love. Probably a lot of these people have motherly issues from childhood. They start adoring their woman, worshipping her and it soon starts to feel weird to her. "I don't know what's wrong. He's perfect, he buys me gifts, he treats me superbly, he's a great guy, but..." type of thing.

A relationship between an unmanly man and a "manly" woman could work, but it rarely does. It rarely does since it would need the man to become so womanly he would need to kinda forget about a lot of testosterone related features and ways of thinking/acting. A living example for that is my aunt who has been the leader in her family since forever with her husband being as beta as it gets. But, he really is a good man and never had a problem with his role in the family. She earns more than him, things are done her way, whatever that is.

Personally, I have a feeling that a lot of these "manly" women could have a stable partner to show to their family, friends and maybe even kids, but I think once or twice, they go for the alpha who makes them feel feminine. I just cannot imagine a woman not being attracted by some manly man living close to her somewhere or in the office or just somewhere.

Beta guys = weak genes. They mate with these women who think they're born to be leaders and create children with beta tendencies (if guys) and alike their mother if they're females. It's all wrong, in short words. Children coming from these type of marriages are the ones who end up with a life of mediocrity mostly and naturally speaking, they would go extinct if it was not for society and everything we have today. Every child I've seen coming from these type of families is just...they look weak and they are weak in a lot of aspects.

 

[Mike32ct]

1. Some guys are “pretty boys.” They might seem somewhat effeminate, but are still aesthetically good looking.

2. Some more aggressive women like a chill guy who isn’t macho.

 

[sph21]

Because of this:

“Getting a girl is not the success.”

“Pook! Whatever do you mean by this?”

“Most guys still think like women. They think that by sleeping with lots of women, by having a girlfriend, or by having a wife means they are successful with women.”

“You mean that ‘beggars can’t be choosers.’ You mean for guys to PICK the girl rather than the other way around.”

“You’re closer and that is true. But women date for all sorts of reasons. They marry for all sorts of reasons. They sleep with you for all sorts of reasons. To the addition of the above, you want to find a woman that is interested in YOU.”

A masculine woman will be attracted to a feminine man while a feminine woman will be attracted to a masculine man.

Yes you can break the rules stated on this site but at the expense of feeling depressed your whole life by denying nature's true calling which is by being a masculine man.

 

[El Payaso]

So? Lots of beta men are married to attractive women. That doesn't mean they're happy.

Also, stop hating. It's not a good look on you. Calling these guys goofy, gay, ugly etc. That just makes you look like a hater.

It's understandable though. When a guy is with an attractive woman, some men tend to look for any negative trait in him. "He's just a jock. He's a meat head. He's a nerd. He's an egghead. He's not even that good looking. He acts gay..."

 

[derby1]

been faded by quite a few HB8's in there 30's, because of being mainly macho

 

[marmel75]

Low testosterone guyabare becoming the born not the exception these days. In case you dont know there is an epidemic going around of falling testosterone levels since the 1950s but nobody wants to seem to talk about it.

In short, women dont have a choice a lot of times, those are the only guys they know.

 

[Urbanyst]

but i thought you only believed in facts and not game and red pill theory??

I do believe in facts. VALUE is not game.

Are you slow?

LOL.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Low testosterone guyabare becoming the born not the exception these days. In case you dont know there is an epidemic going around of falling testosterone levels since the 1950s but nobody wants to seem to talk about it.

In short, women don't have a choice a lot of times, those are the only guys they know.

This is very true. I see it all the time. I'm over 40 and will tell you that "men" are becoming more wussified with each generation. Yes, testosterone levels are diminishing per @marmel75's post. This is a proven fact.

Now add in:

1-Kids (who try to grow up to be "men") are much less active physically than past generations. They are way more concerned with video games and social media than playing sports and staying in shape. Most are fat, out of shape, and have zero athletic prowess--all things most women find appealing per their pre-programming and DNA. I see it at my gym. 20 and 30-something's weak as s*hit, flabby, and real p*ussies who couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag. Totally beta. Granted, at least they are there trying while most stay at home and play Warcraft, get fat, and then complain that all the "hot" guys get the women.

2-Most "men" these days have very few or no goals. They really lack ambition and drive. I own a service-based business in the US. We work with many Millennial clients. I can definitively say that the Millennial women are much, much more driven than the Millennial "men" we work with. Strange but true. A complete shift in how "nature" is supposed to work.

3-Parents have WAY over-coddled, over-hovered, and over-protected their kids going back to the mid-80's to present. So they are partly to blame for raising "men" who have turned out very beta and all-out wussies. What the f*uck is a "Participation Trophy?!" Your team got blown out but everyone still gets a trophy. Please... Parents: GET A CLUE. The world doesn't work that way. Let your kid, dare I say...FAIL so they know how to handle it in the real world.

All of these reasons and more have created tens of millions of beta and worse, omega males.

So this is what most women 20-40 have to choose from. It's either this or go lesbian, use the vibe every night, or hold out for DJ Donald who is 1 in a 1,000,000 now.

So don't ***** if you can relate to the above--and it's YOU.

Just do something about it. Man up. You CAN change. Most of all, get off your a*ss, ditch the porn and video games and get into shape. Learn to box, fish, hunt, or play a sport. FACT: Women like assertive men. Betas are not assertive. Alphas are better, but can sabotage themselves sometimes for LTRs by actually being too aggressive. The guy in the middle, the assertive goal-oriented one, is the DJ.

Be him--and get all the chicks.

Cheers,

Dash

 

[Masculinity]

I always chalked it up to just knowing the right people. They probably have a strong network who put them down with someone they know.

Not all women are made alike. Some deliberately search for men who are more submissive, "nice guys" who allow them to run the relationship in hopes of not losing them.

 

[Urbanyst]

why is it hard for you to understand the concept that game, as its known in the red pill community, is a very broad concept and not the literal definition of the word game itself? were you not in school the day they taught one word can have multiple meanings?

but as much as youre all about the "facts" i still enjoy the fact that you still havent answered my question of why youre here when youve literally said this is all fraud

Just because a word has several meanings.. that doesn't mean YOU get to make up whatever meaning you want.

LOL.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Some women date un-manly men, because they have had a prior bad experience with a manly man. Sometimes it's dad, and not an ex, but it is often an ex, too. Women tend to pick men who resemble other men whom they love, and at the same time also choose men who are the opposite of the men they hate. There's a lot of psychology behind the choices women make, which usually has to do with their past, and you don't see any of that past with just a casual glance.

 

[Surprise]

Looks like many posters still dont understand the mating game , yes beta men get married to women all the time - remember beta bux - , but those guys you are speaking of :

1- Who said the girl isnt cheating on him with Chad ? or isnt going to cheat in the future ? or isnt currently daydreaming about chad .. etc .

2- Who has the upper hand in such relationships ? refer to the puppy post earlier .

3- How long these relationships are going to last ? Not long and even if they stayed together withholding sex by her happens all the time .

4- These guys you are speaking of how many girls they have managed to attract , the fact that they are with some women now is meaningless , its a numbers game any man can get a girl thats not the point , the devil is in the details .

 

[foreverAFC]

a lot of women want docile beta provider looking guys with dad bodies, most attractive women i see are all dating the same guy, a 6 foot tall white guy provider with a dad body, a lot of them want a guy who looks like the type of guy that will be spending his weekends driving her to weddings and hanging out with her friends and he needs to look presentable enough to be in all the facebook and instagram pics that she will be wanting to upload for everyone to see and whatnot....