it's almost impossible to screw up with a girl unless you never really had a shot.

[devilkingx2]

Generally speaking, you never really need to worry about saying or doing the wrong thing with a girl for one simple reason: if you were 1 bad joke or awkward hug away from getting stood up or friend zoned, you were 200 good jokes away from getting laid. it's a fact of life, don't ever worry about the small stuff when it comes to women unless you're trying to maximize your percentage of first date lays so you don't have to go on second dates or something like that.

whenever things go south with a girl, unless you made an enormous mistake or a series of mistakes or something, you probably just never had a realistic chance in the first place.

you could look at it as the little things only mattering to a girl with very low interest, or you could look at it as it being impossible to have 100% flawless game (meaning any girl who requires that of you is setting you up to fail) not to mention that you shouldn't need to be absolutely perfect to get the girl unless you're trying to get kate upton or something

so no, the details of the approach don't matter that much, say anything, make jokes, flirt, get her number, ask her out. what you text her doesn't matter how often or fast you text her doesn't really matter that much (as long as she still texts like she's interested), where you go for the date and what you do, etc. none of it is worth too much thought or effort because if she's dumping you for taking her to the olive garden instead of applebee's, she didn't like you much to start with lol.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Interesting perspective and years ago I would probably of agreed with you

However these days women are ruthless because they have so many options

If you think your average single 25yr old HB7 probably has facebook , instagram , snapchat , twitter , tinder , POF, match and of course the real world to collect admirers

Il be conservative and say she’s got at the very least 50 guys interested In her on any given day

That’s 50 guys you’re up against at any given moment

If your game isn’t watertight, you say the wrong thing or one of those guys gets her a little wetter than you

Then you’re fvcked

These days its all about being in the right place at the right time with the right hoe everything else is just white noise

 

[Meektrop]

Interesting perspective and years ago I would probably of agreed with you

However these days women are ruthless because they have so many options

If you think your average single 25yr old HB7 probably has facebook , instagram , snapchat , twitter , tinder , POF, match and of course the real world to collect admirers

Il be conservative and say she’s got at the very least 50 guys interested In her on any given day

That’s 50 guys you’re up against at any given moment

If your game isn’t watertight, you say the wrong thing or one of those guys gets her a little wetter than you

Then you’re fvcked

These days its all about being in the right place at the right time with the right hoe everything else is just white noise

OP comes of more as describing compatibility, you are just talking about pump n dump

 

[Urbanyst]

The only way for a man to "screw up" with a woman is to be lower VALUE than one of her other REAL options.

I say "REAL options" because if a woman wants a LTR she knows a lot of the high VALUE men flirting with her only want sex and will leave after. Out of men who are "boyfriend material" the highest value man always wins.

This is why people like @BeExcellent are always bragging about all the "high VALUE men" chasing after her.. YET she remains single. This is why. Most of those men just want to bust a nut and have no interest in a REAL relationship with her. Thus they are not REAL options.

The reason this is not "common knowledge" among men is because women are colossal FRAUDS and rarely communicate the TRUTH ever lol.

 

[derby1]

i dont quite agree with the OP im afraid ive had plenty of instances where women have been all over me highly invested and the transfer of one misunderstood text/word has sent that interest plummiting

example one i referred to playfully and said GOOD DAY LOVER!! this followed with a rant from her on us being friends with benefits

then i must have said the words "treat my woman well" in another text and she balked at the relationship words

there never happy at all

 

[derby1]

so nothing to do with half of them having nut job personality disorders paranoid over analyzing every aspect? good riddance to em if i have to get a legal team to proof read every convo

 

[Asasione]

i dont quite agree with the OP im afraid ive had plenty of instances where women have been all over me highly invested and the transfer of one misunderstood text/word has sent that interest plummiting

example one i referred to playfully and said GOOD DAY LOVER!! this followed with a rant from her on us being friends with benefits

then i must have said the words "treat my woman well" in another text and she balked at the relationship words

there never happy at all

It just means she didn't like you that much brother, she was low interest. Just remember one thing women you're in a relationship with or who are really into you for whatever reason, you can get away with doing and saying the dumbest sh*t. Women who are on the fence with you, have many better options, have some personality issues or any other factor that diminishes your value to her will drop you for dumb crap like not going to a venue they want, music tastes, saying the wrong thing or other petty stuff that just makes no sense.

 

[derby1]

i believe a fair few have personality issues there is no way they were low interest,these are women that have drove to me on dates and then the same again on follow up dates

I was with a girl on the weekend were not romantically connected and were just talking however i mentioned a few womens other names through general conversations and this woman friend literally blew up....... like i said there all NUTS

 

[devilkingx2]

i dont quite agree with the OP im afraid ive had plenty of instances where women have been all over me highly invested and the transfer of one misunderstood text/word has sent that interest plummiting

example one i referred to playfully and said GOOD DAY LOVER!! this followed with a rant from her on us being friends with benefits

then i must have said the words "treat my woman well" in another text and she balked at the relationship words

there never happy at all

It doesn't sound like she liked you very much if she went off on you for one minor sentence

In fact, if she ranted that you're just friends with benefits that's actually proof that she only liked your d!ck and not the rest of you lol

 

[byers90]

Yeah, if she is into you then you are given a lot of lee way....guys sometimes post here about other men who seemingly "break" all the rules but miraculously still get the girl. It's because the woman had already chosen him - when the woman has already chosen you, you can afford to make some initial mistakes without consequence. She doesn't care - she is just happy the guy is at least talking to her - a lot men won't even notice/do anything half the time.

Of course this isn't meant to encourage acting like a chump. It's okay to be nervous/awkward in the beginning but you don't want to be remain that way weeks/months down the line. That's the start to things falling apart.

 

[BeExcellent]

The only way for a man to "screw up" with a woman is to be lower VALUE than one of her other REAL options.

I say "REAL options" because if a woman wants a LTR she knows a lot of the high VALUE men flirting with her only want sex and will leave after. Out of men who are "boyfriend material" the highest value man always wins.

This is why people like @BeExcellent are always bragging about all the "high VALUE men" chasing after her.. YET she remains single. This is why. Most of those men just want to bust a nut and have no interest in a REAL relationship with her. Thus they are not REAL options.

The reason this is not "common knowledge" among men is because women are colossal FRAUDS and rarely communicate the TRUTH ever lol.

As to the OP it absolutely can matter how NEEDY a man comes across. Neediness is a turnoff. Busy people never want to feel like they've got to entertain some other adult or be that other adult's center of attention. That gets suffocating very quickly.

While I recognize the swipe that Urbanyst takes at me, he cannot understand how wrong he is. All men want sex. Duh. All men will move straightaway to sex if a woman allows it, and most men will then judge her afterwards. Duh. So a good woman knows this and always holds out from granting quick sex. The sex only crowd falls away from me quickly. I don't send racy photos EVER, I don't accept invitations same evening and I don't respond to late night booty type calls. I don't "go home" with men I meet at any venue. Plans must be made with me in advance. This absolutely weeds out the pump & dump crowd.

So options beyond that are REAL options.

For example I am dating someone who I like. We are not exclusive and we are open to others. I am extremely patient and pragmatic about this. As things move along (we are about 3 months in) his insecurities are showing more and more. I am not falling all over him panting after him like he is accustomed to. Rather as I get to know him better I keep evaluating whether or not he's good enough for me. For all his good looks and charm I'm very much on the fence about him at this point. I've recently watched him tell intentional lies to one of his better friends, while justifying the lie to me, (I said nothing - just observed) he's revealed his financial habits (which concern me) including his desire to consume well above his own personal means (which are not meager.) It takes time to observe another person and it requires looking at them objectively despite how you FEEL about them. I find this man very sexy and appealing, and we get along effortlessly but I am seeing things that give me pause. So I'm pausing and accepting dates with other REAL options.

And the guy I have a date with set for Saturday night has honestly been texting too much. I'd prefer to chat on the date. Multiple texts a day are for LTR partners, not somebody you haven't met more than once or twice.

Incessant overtexting CAN run off a good woman who has options. I plan to go out with this man because I'd like to have an opportunity to get to know him, but the over texting does come off needy. I'm too busy to be somebody's constant entertainment, just like you guys are. I keep my word and give the benefit of the doubt. I assume the guy is simply excited to meet me (and why wouldn't he be ) and it's not my job to point out his bad habits.

Bad habits are managed via response (or lack thereof.)

 

[Sal]

As to the OP it absolutely can matter how NEEDY a man comes across. Neediness is a turnoff. Busy people never want to feel like they've got to entertain some other adult or be that other adult's center of attention. That gets suffocating very quickly.

While I recognize the swipe that Urbanyst takes at me, he cannot understand how wrong he is. All men want sex. Duh. All men will move straightaway to sex if a woman allows it, and most men will then judge her afterwards. Duh. So a good woman knows this and always holds out from granting quick sex. The sex only crowd falls away from me quickly. I don't send racy photos EVER, I don't accept invitations same evening and I don't respond to late night booty type calls. I don't "go home" with men I meet at any venue. Plans must be made with me in advance. This absolutely weeds out the pump & dump crowd.

So options beyond that are REAL options.

For example I am dating someone who I like. We are not exclusive and we are open to others. I am extremely patient and pragmatic about this. As things move along (we are about 3 months in) his insecurities are showing more and more. I am not falling all over him panting after him like he is accustomed to. Rather as I get to know him better I keep evaluating whether or not he's good enough for me. For all his good looks and charm I'm very much on the fence about him at this point. I've recently watched him tell intentional lies to one of his better friends, while justifying the lie to me, (I said nothing - just observed) he's revealed his financial habits (which concern me) including his desire to consume well above his own personal means (which are not meager.) It takes time to observe another person and it requires looking at them objectively despite how you FEEL about them. I find this man very sexy and appealing, and we get along effortlessly but I am seeing things that give me pause. So I'm pausing and accepting dates with other REAL options.

And the guy I have a date with set for Saturday night has honestly been texting too much. I'd prefer to chat on the date. Multiple texts a day are for LTR partners, not somebody you haven't met more than once or twice.

Incessant overtexting CAN run off a good woman who has options. I plan to go out with this man because I'd like to have an opportunity to get to know him, but the over texting does come off needy. I'm too busy to be somebody's constant entertainment, just like you guys are. I keep my word and give the benefit of the doubt. I assume the guy is simply excited to meet me (and why wouldn't he be ) and it's not my job to point out his bad habits.

Bad habits are managed via response (or lack thereof.)

Incessant texting doesn't run anyone off unless they aren't interested in responding or initiating.

Depends on anyone's definition of "incessant texting" which could be any X amount of texts.

If you are busy or they are busy a simple "I'm at work" or "I'm busy right now" should suffice.

Some could say you spend an incessant amount of time texting on SS. Others may not.

 

[devilkingx2]

As to the OP it absolutely can matter how NEEDY a man comes across. Neediness is a turnoff. Busy people never want to feel like they've got to entertain some other adult or be that other adult's center of attention. That gets suffocating very quickly.

"busy", 99% of people aren't busy unless someone they don't like is texting lol.

if a girl is easily annoyed by you texting her, she doesn't like you very much. I know this because the only texts that annoy me come from people I don't want to talk to.

a guy has to remember not to accidentally build his game around people that want nothing to do with him, if hearing from you more than once per 24 hours makes her think you're desperate, she either doesn't like you or wants to be the side girl to a married guy

I'm obviously discounting the possibility that any guy on here would send a girl 6 unanswered texts in a row in a single day or anything insane like that, which would be really needy, (but again, if she's ignoring all your texts your problem isn't neediness it's her disdain for you, your neediness is a whole separate thing in that case lol)

I'm also discounting the possibility that anyone here would be stupid enough to try to get into a serious relationship with someone who is legitimately busy (like a doctor/surgeon or someone who owns their own business or anything else with a crazy work week) that's just asking for trouble. (you'll fvck the nanny/pool boy while your wife/husband is away for the third weekend in a row at a business meeting)

 

[Urbanyst]

As to the OP it absolutely can matter how NEEDY a man comes across. Neediness is a turnoff. Busy people never want to feel like they've got to entertain some other adult or be that other adult's center of attention. That gets suffocating very quickly.

While I recognize the swipe that Urbanyst takes at me, he cannot understand how wrong he is. All men want sex. Duh. All men will move straightaway to sex if a woman allows it, and most men will then judge her afterwards. Duh. So a good woman knows this and always holds out from granting quick sex. The sex only crowd falls away from me quickly. I don't send racy photos EVER, I don't accept invitations same evening and I don't respond to late night booty type calls. I don't "go home" with men I meet at any venue. Plans must be made with me in advance. This absolutely weeds out the pump & dump crowd.

So options beyond that are REAL options.

For example I am dating someone who I like. We are not exclusive and we are open to others. I am extremely patient and pragmatic about this. As things move along (we are about 3 months in) his insecurities are showing more and more. I am not falling all over him panting after him like he is accustomed to. Rather as I get to know him better I keep evaluating whether or not he's good enough for me. For all his good looks and charm I'm very much on the fence about him at this point. I've recently watched him tell intentional lies to one of his better friends, while justifying the lie to me, (I said nothing - just observed) he's revealed his financial habits (which concern me) including his desire to consume well above his own personal means (which are not meager.) It takes time to observe another person and it requires looking at them objectively despite how you FEEL about them. I find this man very sexy and appealing, and we get along effortlessly but I am seeing things that give me pause. So I'm pausing and accepting dates with other REAL options.

And the guy I have a date with set for Saturday night has honestly been texting too much. I'd prefer to chat on the date. Multiple texts a day are for LTR partners, not somebody you haven't met more than once or twice.

Incessant overtexting CAN run off a good woman who has options. I plan to go out with this man because I'd like to have an opportunity to get to know him, but the over texting does come off needy. I'm too busy to be somebody's constant entertainment, just like you guys are. I keep my word and give the benefit of the doubt. I assume the guy is simply excited to meet me (and why wouldn't he be ) and it's not my job to point out his bad habits.

Bad habits are managed via response (or lack thereof.)

LOL.

Sounds to me like you are dating LOW VALUE men of POOR QUALITY. Which is the opposite of what you "claim" to be dating. No surprise. The truth always comes out when talking to Urbanyst because I pay attention only to FACTS.

Another observation I can make here is you are extremely manipulative and fraudulent in your relationships with men. No surprise. I saw that 10 miles away lol.

Case and point.. you "hold out on sex". NOT because of a lack of desire to get f*cked.. but because you want to control the man's perception of you. I bolded the part of your essay I'm talking about for reference. You want to SEEM high quality. So you are making calculated moves to appear that way rather than just acting totally natural.

You complain about "incessant texting" from men while you engage in "incessant SoSuave posting". Ironic.

Always a pleasure BeExcellent lol.

 

[derby1]

In fact, if she ranted that you're just friends with benefits

i dont think i worded it right she went mad because she presumed i was treating her as a friend with benefit scenario when she was clearly infactuated with me to become her partner, all because i probably misworded a text for christs sake Women!!!!!

 

[devilkingx2]

All men want sex. Duh. All men will move straightaway to sex if a woman allows it, and most men will then judge her afterwards. Duh. So a good woman knows this and always holds out from granting quick sex.

any and every man who wants sex but thinks lowly of people who give them sex is a moron. reminds me of a quote "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"

the whole joke of that quote is that he's saying that something is so seriously wrong with him that no group with rules or standards would want him associating himself with them, but it's self-depricating humor, men aren't actually supposed to go around thinking that any girl who actually wants to have sex with them must be a slvt lmfao, that's where guys get it all wrong.

personally when a girl wants to sleep with me quickly I think "man I must be even more good looking and charming than I thought", and when she wants to hold out on me I think "I'm not gonna wait til you find out if your ex will take you back or how many figures are in my salary"

The sex only crowd falls away from me quickly. I don't send racy photos EVER, I don't accept invitations same evening and I don't respond to late night booty type calls. I don't "go home" with men I meet at any venue. Plans must be made with me in advance. This absolutely weeds out the pump & dump crowd.

to be honest you sound like absolutely no fun, but like you'd be a good mother/housewife. unfortunately it's not a dichotomy, if you're no fun you run a high risk of being cheated on/left for someone 20 years younger he meets at a night club.

 

[devilkingx2]

Interesting perspective and years ago I would probably of agreed with you

However these days women are ruthless because they have so many options

If you think your average single 25yr old HB7 probably has facebook , instagram , snapchat , twitter , tinder , POF, match and of course the real world to collect admirers

Il be conservative and say she’s got at the very least 50 guys interested In her on any given day

That’s 50 guys you’re up against at any given moment

If your game isn’t watertight, you say the wrong thing or one of those guys gets her a little wetter than you

Then you’re fvcked

These days its all about being in the right place at the right time with the right hoe everything else is just white noise

that is a girl you don't date seriously, FWB, pump and dump, casual dating, etc. the last thing you want to do is be wedding ring shopping when the options that are only slightly worse than you get a raise or a promotion and become slightly better.

only get serious/exclusive with a girl whose second best option is either unattainable or waaaay worse than you

 

[BeExcellent]

Oh you guys crack me up. Believe whatever you like. If it saves @Urbanyst's ego to think I'm not who I say and I don't have the social abundance that I do, that's just fine if that makes him FEEL better. It doesn't have any affect on my reality, which is as I've stated. If @devilkingx2 thinks sending racy pictures and responding to booty calls is what makes a woman fun, then he is obviously dumpster diving. A smart woman who cares about her reputation does NOT put pictures out for consumption which are racy in nature. Those pictures have a nasty habit of turning up years later and biting you in the ass. We see them when vetting potential employees. We don't hire people who exhibit that sort of indiscretion. It would reflect poorly on the organization if we did.

Sure I was no fun at all. I married a nightclub owner. I therefore must be totally boring. Sure

When you are a hot sought after woman, top guys are competing for you. That's the way it is, was, has been and always will be. That's the way it was in my teens and 20s and that's the way it is now. That's what you see on here, guys competing for the best women they can get.

Why that bothers some of you is fascinating to me.

 

[devilkingx2]

i dont think i worded it right she went mad because she presumed i was treating her as a friend with benefit scenario when she was clearly infactuated with me to become her partner, all because i probably misworded a text for christs sake Women!!!!!

oh in that case that's a whole different thing, insecurity + emotion = clusterfvck, that's her liking you a lot causing her to act nuts

 

[sazc]

@BeExcellent curious, none of my business but are you sleeping with the man you are dating? Do you sleep with the men you 'date'? Do you 'date' more then one man at a time and, if you do, are you open to sleeping with all of them while you are dating them?

Again, none of my business but, I would drop 3 month man. Those are no-go qualities for me. I'm looking for longevity in a partner. Financial mismanagement gives me anxiety and someone who has no problem lying in front of you to someone else, will have no problem lying TO you. Better to set yourself free and be available for a higher quality man IMO