Tenacity, getting emotional? This is good. When your emotional side flares, it means I'm getting you. But why is Guru getting to Tenacity? Because deep down inside ... after all these years ...Tenacity has been yearning for such a relationship but with all of Tenacity's tenaciousness, Tenacity still could not find such a woman. So thus, nothing can be wrong with Tenacity, but rather the WHOLE market is flawed with shark-infested waters, right?
I have no idea what you are talking about. Let's not go into these weird psycho-analyzations of me and instead let's just stay on the topic.
Spousal support can be mitigated with a solid prenup.
No it cannot. The determination of if a prenup will stand and if alimony will or will not be considered, depends on the roles a particular spouse had in the relationship. Case in point, if she stayed home for 10 years and didn't work, alimony is going to be on the table.
But if she were a stay-at-home mom raising your lineage for 20 years while you built an empire (with piece of mind), is she not entitled to live reasonably thereafter? These are matters you want to specifically address in your prenup and be "fair" (as defined jurisdictionally) as not to have the prenup set aside for unconscionability.
If YOU have no issue paying some chick a monthly payment for the rest of her life, then do it. Not even sure what the basis of your argument is anymore. I do not believe in stay at home moms in 2017/2018 and I do not believe in alimony. It completely defeats the entire purpose of women's liberation, which has significantly changed the market as a whole.
What is a solid familial infrastructure in your life worth to you? Let's examine this further.
In the last 14 years, the total divorce rate in the U.S. is at 27%. Comparably, the divorce rate for celebrities on the last 14 years is at 50%.
http://marriagefoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pdf-03.pdf
Let's go on, I'm going to write out the remaining response in a very rudimentary fashion so that you and any others who are also getting emotional with this "talk" can understand with little bias.
There are cultures, subsets, types of people where divorce rates are higher than the norm, and others where the divorce rates are lower than the norm. So if you were to get married, does it make more sense to get married as a celebrity or non-celebrity? Does it make sense to get married to the norm divorce rate of 27% (over 14 years) or to a subset of women where the divorce rate is less than 10%
for life?
Lol. Dude there are stats that show people with college degrees make more money than those without college degrees. But the DEVIL is in the details. Going on the college degree stat alone, it would "appear" that if you just ran into college, majored in any random subject, and got a "degree", then you would be ahead of the pack....when the reality is that one would have needed to dig deeper into the details to determine the true reason for why most with college degrees did/do better than those without them.
I have stats showing that 40% of marriages fail. You have stats showing something different. AT the end of the day, the Marriage Contract makes NO sense and there are NO unicorns. And no matter what stat you show about a divorce rate, that does not mean those who are still married are happy in any form or fashion.
This notion is grounded in a false (emotional) assumption that I wanted to be married in the last three years. This week was my first stance supporting certain types of marriage with certain people. Actually, this site could operate as a death chamber for marriage altogether for everybody eradicating the chance for all to get married under any circumstance. This changes now.
So like I said, you are looking to CONVINCE yourself lol. Because like you just stated, you weren't even looking to marry before and now you are, so you are trying to convince yourself of why it's a good idea.
Intelligent people make logical decisions based on facts, not emotions,
Correct and your entire argument has been based on "emotion", not facts.
Tenacity's Arguments:
- The definition/vows of Marriage and the US Government's Marriage Agreement aren't in alignment (FACT)
- Marriage, divorce, and child support/custody is a big business called Family Law, that allows Attorneys, Judges, Pastors, Churches, Bankers, and others involved in the process to make a lot of money (FACT)
- There are no perfect women and no Unicorns (FACT)
- Logically, the Marriage Agreement makes no business sense (FACT)
- There are no incorporations, transfers, prenups, insurance policies, or any schemes to truly protect you from financial loss in case of a divorce as it depends on the status of the marriage leading up to the divorce, amongst other things (FACT)
- As a man who isn't looking to LIVE off a woman or financially benefit off a woman (like
@BeTheChange is) nor a man who needs the Marriage title for political/social reasons......there are NO benefits to getting married that are not available outside of a marriage contract. (FACT)
Guru's Arguments:
- Not all women are the same and there's a sub-section of women available that are different than the general market who could be "marriage material" based on her having traditional values and other qualities. This is based primarily on
EMOTION, because you are literally putting this woman in particular on a pedestal when there's really been no PROOF of this woman being this "unicorn" you speak of....because common sense would state if she was....she wouldn't be on the market at age 26 - 45.
- Continuing to spin plates, date, and deal with women in the market gets tiring/old afterwhile, thus, it's more comfortable going forward to settle down and sign a marriage contract with a woman that appears to be "marriage material". This is
EMOTION, because again, you have no proof that the marriage would be a better situation than spinning plates. I would argue that spinning plates allows you to keep hot/fresh pvssy and good looking women coming into your life, whereas with marriage you are locked into ONE WOMAN that is getting older and depreciating in looks by the day.
- Getting married allows one more freedom to invest in their career and other business passions. This is
EMOTION, because you are assuming the wife would even allow the husband that much time away from the household. You are also assuming that a guy can't properly manage his time and manage his plates (like I do).
- You believe Sosuave is anti-marriage and you are on a campaign to change that. This is
EMOTION, because you have over 83,000 members on this board and you have absolutely NO CLUE what the majority of members think about marriage. In my prior marriage debates/discussions on this board, my personal experience has been that it's been split down the middle. Let's even look at this thread in particular. If you scroll from page one to page seven, the sides are actually SPLIT.