Shedding the Player Vibe with Brutal Honesty.

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Firstly, who cares how y'all would rate her. OP likes her look and OP's opinion is the only one that matters here. One person's 6 is another person's 8, although the better looking a woman gets the more universally men agree she's attractive.

it's about blazing trails in ways most men are afraid to, in the ways women come to admire.
I'll make a few observations FWIW. You had the balls to be utterly direct. Not vulgar, not snotty, not inappropriate and not snide. Just direct. To be direct in this way conveys IDGAF and also allows that you have other stuff going on. All attractive people always have options. Another attractive person is going to understand this and find it normal. To have such an attitude also conveys that you are NOT going to be clingy to her, women despise clingyness in a man and most hot women are drawn to people who display nonchalance about a pretty woman's looks. When you are nonchalant it gets across that you are accustomed to beautiful women. This adds a comfort factor. All good things.

I found that I actually benefit more when I am a little more open and direct about my lifestyle, regardless of the type of woman.

This may not work so well for other guys. Younger guys or guys with a different style and demeanor might benefit more, themselves, by playing it very differently. But that's the point. Sometimes, for some men, embracing that vibe is the best way to shed it.
I bolded the parts in your quote that I think are important for people here to understand. It's transparent. When you are transparent off the bat you are displaying trustworthiness. You are not apologizing for your present situation. You have self respect. You gotta own it and put it out there. This is an efficient strategy in the marketplace because it weeds out women who are put off by the information you have shared and it weeds them out quickly.

I talk some about being a "player magnet." That's generally the type of man that I end up in LTRs with and that's the type I married if you look only on the surface. But as I've noted in other posts, many men who are perceived as players get that way because of lack and the inability to find a woman they really enjoy (sexually and otherwise) who is emotionally stable and suits whatever other their individual criteria might be. Many of these men actually WILL gravitate to a relationship with the right (for them) sort of woman. But they are not going to be celibate while they keep an eye out for the right chick, either. That's the rub for many girls and it actually benefits the man in question.

What do I mean by that? Women know that players and perceived players are sought after in the SMP. The OP's disclosures to blondie are in line with this statement. Therefore women who are terribly insecure about a man who is already involved with other women are selected against. Really neurotic or insecure women cannot handle the fact that they enter this man's realm ALREADY with other competition (that he's actively having sex with) on the radar screen. A sexually confident woman who knows she has substance outside the bedroom to offer is not worried about throwing her hat in the ring. Such a woman understands that the player type WANTS to find something MORE than a FWB or hookup. She knows she can deliver that too. And so she doesn't worry about his other interests, she doesn't cling or act insecure, she simply enjoys her time with him, encourages him, gets to know him and demonstrates what she has to offer at the same time. She takes a "May the best gal win" attitude and herself has a DGAF attitude about her. She lets the chips fall and doesn't devolve into clinging or insecurity or drama. She knows this is unusual and she trusts that the player will recognize this in her.

Now as to the contents of Blondie's profile...It does reek of "my way or the highway", which appears in my view to indicate she has had sub-par outcomes in the past with various men. THAT to me is a red flag. There is a bitterness conveyed in this sort of attitude. I mean we all face disappointments in life and romance, but those with good self esteem and stable personalities are able to get up, dust off, and have an openness toward future potential relationships with out carting tons of baggage around. Such people have no need to try and frame the interaction from the get-go with "No THIS, No THAT, Certainly none of X, no Y and under no circumstances any Z!"

So this chick comes to new relationships with bitterness and distrust emanating from her past. New men have to OVERCOME this defense mechanism to be able to have a positive outcome. Most men couldn't be bothered and so will go along just enough to get what they want (sex) and move on. They'd rather not deal with her emotional baggage and therefore she, by her bitter, negative attitude has set herself up for failure. But she doesn't know she is doing that to herself.

And it's not your job to inform her either.

So I agree with your premise, @LJC that being straighforward about being a player or being known or percieved as a player can work in your favor. IMO the biggest advantage it gives you is the ability to select for women who can actually handle the player's perceived higher value in the marketplace. To me the jury is out on whether or not this chick is such a woman based on material she has written about herself. You'll have to let us know if that's so in order to field test the theory, lol.
 
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I can tell a lot about a woman just from a picture.

The blonde is DTF. That's why she is showing her boobs and ranting about not wanting a ons.

She's also good at taking pictures of herself. I can tell she probably took a hundred to get those two shots where she looks the best. Weird angles and not showing her full body shape are red flags that she will look fatter when you see her in person. She's also really insecure about being seen as fat, too, so if she believes that you don't think of her that way, it will make it extra easy to fvck her.
 
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I can tell a lot about a woman just from a picture.

The blonde is DTF. That's why she is showing her boobs and ranting about not wanting a ons.

She's also good at taking pictures of herself. I can tell she probably took a hundred to get those two shots where she looks the best. Weird angles and not showing her full body shape are red flags that she will look fatter when you see her in person. She's also really insecure about being seen as fat, too, so if she believes that you don't think of her that way, it will make it extra easy to fvck her.
This might be why I fail. I would look at her and see fat and redneck. I wouldn't take her personal feelings and psychology into account. I don't have time for that. I have a business to run.

But maybe you're telling me that girls have insecurities and I should play off them? I don't think I have the time, energy, or desire to figure this out.
 

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I don't have time for that. I have a business to run..
At some point in growing your business, you are going to have to make a sale, even if it is just to sell an investor on the idea of letting you use their money. That won't be all that different than talking a woman out of her clothes. A lot of what you can learn about women can be applied to sales skills, and vice-versa.

To answer your question, everyone has insecurities that can expose them to being played, you and me included.
 
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At some point in growing your business, you are going to have to make a sale, even if it is just to sell an investor on the idea of letting you use their money. That won't be all that different than talking a woman out of her clothes. A lot of what you can learn about women can be applied to sales skills, and vice-versa.

To answer your question, everyone has insecurities that can expose them to being played, you and me included.
Currently, realtors put my house on the market and sell it for me.

I wonder what my insecurities are.
 

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Thank you @BeExcellent, not just for elaborating on the actual topic of the thread in a way that I probably never could have, but also for adding to it. I honestly don't think this particular blonde is the type of women you've outlined in your post, but we'll see.

I hope what I write next here isn't taken the wrong way by anyone, but I find it slightly amusing that so many guys (not all, of course), we're so easily sidetracked from the point of the discussion by a photo.

Yes, she's probably bitter from past experiences.
Yes, she is likely hiding a few extra pounds.
Yes, it is highly probable that she is not LTR material.
And yes, she's a ballpark 7 or so in looks on the scale of most men.

I never said she seems sweet/nice.
I never said she's thin and tight.
I never said she might be LTR material.
I never said this blonde was hot.

Yet this picture of a "7", as most of you claim, was enough to prevent many guys from staying on point and engaging in a discussion based on that point.

How are guys out there hitting up 8s and 9s, keeping their cool and applying all of this great theory if they are so easily pulled off-focus by the looks of a 7?

It shouldn't have mattered what girl I posted a picture of here. It's irrelevant.
Glad to be of service. :up:

It's your rodeo. You're the only one with boots on the ground who is interacting with this woman and how she has responded to you thus far sounds like normal vetting but otherwise fine.
 

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She's probably not 102 pounds, but she doesn't strike me as fat either. But whatever. Not going to over-analyze it. Truth always comes out sooner or later. I'm not the type to put all of my eggs in one basket anyway.

Matched up with this one today and she sent a simple "hi" message. Haven't responded yet. Sometimes I just swipe right to see what kind of interest I'm getting. I get the impression her heart is as black as her hair. lol.


Men, direct your attention to the second pic, the brunette. Notice how her cheek bones are exaggerately prominent and there is a fluorescent shadow contouring her cheek bones, which is neither lighting nor makeup. Also notice her shimmering eye color. Her pic is photoshopped. Things to looks for when examining pics.

The girl in the first pic used a filter for her skin, but did not photoshop her facial aesthetics.
 

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So I respond: "OK. So what do you want to know about me? Ask away".

She immediately grills me on if I've ever been married, when was my last relationship, etc. and after my response, she then asks how long it has been since I split up with my ex.

I tell her over a year.

She then asks how long I've been single.

What the fvck, right?

At this point I consider cutting lose. 20 minutes goes by. I don't respond. She then messages:

"Nice chatting with ya! lol".
She wrote " Nice chatting with you" as she was eagerly waiting for your response, and those 20 minutes likely felt like 20 hours for her. Telltale sign of high interest.

A simple response, "Hey, I'm rarely on this site, give me your number and I will text you =)" would have served the same.

But you built more rapport with your response. Regardless, good job.
 
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Men, direct your attention to the second pic, the brunette. Notice how her cheek bones are exaggerately prominent and there is a fluorescent shadow contouring her cheek bones, which is neither lighting nor makeup. Also notice her shimmering eye color. Her pic is photoshopped. Things to looks for when examining pics.

The girl in the first pic used a filter for her skin, but did not photoshop her facial aesthetics.
I thought the second one was a transvestite.
 

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I thought the second one was a transvestite.
Women's cheeks ideally appear soft and round. Her photoshopped cheeks appear high, hard, and angular like a man's (though too bulky); that's why the impression of a potential trans.
 

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I'm not sure of your intention of posting this, but it seems to me that she won the frame battle, at least of what you posted.

From a purely structural view, it appeared that she was asking you the questions, and you were responding. Then when she pulled back, you felt the need to justify yourself.

I can see how from her perspective, she attempted to get you to chase her, and you did. She pulled back, you followed, she rewarded you with more attention.

I don't care what she looks like, but some slippery slopes are good, others are not. Women are born ninjas into sucking men down slippery slopes.

Always have an exit plan.
 

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TO, on the surface, I see how it can appear that way. But in the context of most interactions, the deeper intention of the delivery is what truly sets the frame.

For example:

Girl (through direct or indirect delivery): I don't like it when you _______ --or-- I like it when you ____

Guru: Sure hon

On the surface, it appears as pandering, but if my intention were incongruent with my words; that is, I will do what I want regardless of the words I deliver, no frame is compromised. Rather, the deeper frame is enhanced.

E.g. the real Don Juan, Don Giovanni, the legendary, fictional libertine would subdue his prospects with overly gushy romantic overtones--giving them exactly what they wanted to hear--until they were seduced. And then he vanished.

Feed her "needs"--not wants--and you own the frame.
 
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