If I'm high value.. Why should i?

[guru1000]

The purpose of self-improvement is to serve you and your agenda fully. Women, financial success, and greatness in every facet of life are byproducts of your journey.

 

[guru1000]

Oh, well I'm not down playing self improvement overall. The context is this warped and imbalanced dating market, there is zero reason to tailor your improvement to it's demands because the payoff just isn't worth it.

Payoff is well worth it. Hint: the payoff is not women.

 

[highSpeed]

I'm not approaching girls anymore..

- I work out, most girls don't.

- No I don't have a high status job but I have 3 jobs and I work about 75 hrs a week. I'm ok financially ..

-I keep myself extremely well groomed

- I buy top shelf cologne and apply 2x a day for the smelling pleasure of others.

-I dress well, and make sure to coordinate.

-I'm well read and well spoken.

-Ill never be a male model or have 6 pack abs because I like buffalo wings too much but you can definitely tell I work out and I know I'm stronger than 97% of men walking around..

-I'm book and street smart. We can discus Hellenistic philosophy, or I can tell you what neighborhood to get Percocet in..

-I have no kids

-Never wed.

-Me and my room mate have a sweet ass bachelor pad..

-I know I'm amazing at sex.. Its mind blowingly good


I'm not bragging.. I'm stating facts.
Why the f*ck am I approaching females?

Shouldn't they be approaching me?
I mean you date me I generally gain nothing.. Sex.

But I could pay for high priced escorts that's a 9 in my eyes that would be cheaper than 2 dates with an average looking girl..

You gain at the very least a decent free meal and drinks and so much more if I like you..

So ... Why should I approach girls again?
Unless the IOIs are blatant I'm just not doing it anymore..
I feel like 9/10 girls I'm really the prize and the prize shouldnt have to do the work.

And I know this post sounds very narcissistic
but its truly how I feel lately.

Society is designed to have you approach the woman, that's why. And if you don't approach, someone else will. The rules are screwed up, I'll admit but a handful of people refusing to approach isn't going to change anything. You'll simply be left out. Yes, you may have some drop into your lap and some women who do that but the majority don't and they don't because they know they don't have to, pure and simple. If you could come up with a play by play setup that short circuits that mentality, you sir, have a blueprint for being a billionaire.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

As @da dynamically said "The purpose of self improvement in this new game is just to better serve women"

I don't agree with your post, but I'll ask...

In what way are you, or he, suggesting to serve women?

 

[Trump]

The thing you (and others) should understand is that not everyone here is involuntarily celibate. I came here to become better with women (and people) in general, not because I cant get laid.

What's you reason(s) for being here, just out of interest?

Its to look at differing viewpoints on women. When I find myself slipping, I come back here and often re-read.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You provide women with a more valuable - but no less disposable - partner

That's not serving them.

Why would you have to serve someone in a relationship?

Are you their chihuahua?

 

[Fruitbat]

Cola.

Do you want to offer women commitment?
Ditto children?
How's your conversation?
Are you good socially?
Can you hold your own in intellectual discussions?
What's your plan? for life?

I am not knocking you, but all the things you list are things which are important to you. They are also important on a superficial level to women. The things you list tend to be the things which are important to fairly dumb women - pure attraction, work out, good sex. Life is a bit more than that. I don't have much on your list, but I have dated some quite interesting and accomplished women - my current one isn't the most accomplished but I've recently dated a fairly fit microbiologist, and a published creative writer. Both of which payed their way.

All I am saying is the female mirror is a chick saying how she has a hot ass and clothes and she just gets players who want her for sex.

 

[Tenacity]

I'm not approaching girls anymore..

- I work out, most girls don't.

- No I don't have a high status job but I have 3 jobs and I work about 75 hrs a week. I'm ok financially ..

-I keep myself extremely well groomed

- I buy top shelf cologne and apply 2x a day for the smelling pleasure of others.

-I dress well, and make sure to coordinate.

-I'm well read and well spoken.

-Ill never be a male model or have 6 pack abs because I like buffalo wings too much but you can definitely tell I work out and I know I'm stronger than 97% of men walking around..

-I'm book and street smart. We can discus Hellenistic philosophy, or I can tell you what neighborhood to get Percocet in..

-I have no kids

-Never wed.

-Me and my room mate have a sweet ass bachelor pad..

-I know I'm amazing at sex.. Its mind blowingly good


I'm not bragging.. I'm stating facts.
Why the f*ck am I approaching females?

Shouldn't they be approaching me?
I mean you date me I generally gain nothing.. Sex.

But I could pay for high priced escorts that's a 9 in my eyes that would be cheaper than 2 dates with an average looking girl..

You gain at the very least a decent free meal and drinks and so much more if I like you..

So ... Why should I approach girls again?
Unless the IOIs are blatant I'm just not doing it anymore..
I feel like 9/10 girls I'm really the prize and the prize shouldnt have to do the work.

And I know this post sounds very narcissistic
but its truly how I feel lately.

I don't see anything wrong with how you feel. But the reality is (as I've stated before on these here forums) is that we are NOT THE PRIZE. I know this is what Sosuave wants you to think, but we are NOT the prize, doesn't matter how good we look, how much money we have, nor how good our personalities are...........the women of this market are the controllers of this market.

It's so bad to where a fat chick has the same attitude as a HB8 chick.

These are some of the issues I've been discussing on this forum and people have insanely just responded saying, "Tenacity, why don't you just MOVE?" My question has always been move where? Guys all across the country are reporting these same issues. This isn't a Michigan based problem (where I'm at), this is a Nationwide issue.

 

[raider87]

I don't see anything wrong with how you feel. But the reality is (as I've stated before on these here forums) is that we are NOT THE PRIZE. I know this is what Sosuave wants you to think, but we are NOT the prize, doesn't matter how good we look, how much money we have, nor how good our personalities are...........the women of this market are the controllers of this market.

It's so bad to where a fat chick has the same attitude as a HB8 chick.

These are some of the issues I've been discussing on this forum and people have insanely just responded saying, "Tenacity, why don't you just MOVE?" My question has always been move where? Guys all across the country are reporting these same issues. This isn't a Michigan based problem (where I'm at), this is a Nationwide issue.

I've missed you terribly. That no contact really had an effect on me.

 

[cola]

The fact the majority if guys are not high value. The good news is you dont have to be.

And also being high value in my mind is having true money/power/fame/artist/athlete etc. Not because you go to the gym or have a decent job. To be honest thats laughable...its a beta mindstate. Thinking because you can bench 225 and work at joeblow office job that women should be throwing themselves at your feet. The game doesnt work that way.

So I shouldn't take pride in the fact that if I so chose I could kill mr million dollar man with my bare hands?

 

[guru1000]

So I shouldn't take pride in the fact that if I so chose I could kill mr million dollar man with my bare hands?

Haha. Sure you could. I military you for 20-rep sets. No exaggeration.

Don't let it bother you that there is no facet in which you can win with the million-dollar man. Even comparably, when I was your age. You're no prize champ. That's why YOU must approach women.

 

[ducksauce]

Haha. Sure you could. I military you for 20-rep sets. No exaggeration.

Don't let it bother you that there is no facet in which you can win with the million-dollar man. Even comparably, when I was your age. You're no prize champ. That's why YOU must approach women.

You're an old man with hair plugs approaching women from behind a keyboard and beta bucking. Funny how you ran from dadynamically offering to meet up and disappeared with air claims when another poster @ you to offer up some of those beta bucks for his approach challenge.

Keep kjing ponzi.

 

[zekko]

My question has always been move where? Guys all across the country are reporting these same issues. This isn't a Michigan based problem (where I'm at), this is a Nationwide issue.

From what you've said, it sounds like you are in the Detroit area (maybe). What I've suggested is moving to a somewhat more rural area. I've been to several locations in Michigan, and there seems to be a lot of decent people there. The women can't be all bad.

Welcome back, by the way.

 

[Tenacity]

From what you've said, it sounds like you are in the Detroit area (maybe). What I've suggested is moving to a somewhat more rural area. I've been to several locations in Michigan, and there seems to be a lot of decent people there. The women can't be all bad.

Welcome back, by the way.

Thanks . I'm in the Metro Detroit area (suburbs), but I date women all around the Metro Detroit area and even into the City.

 

[cola]

Haha. Sure you could. I military you for 20-rep sets. No exaggeration.

Don't let it bother you that there is no facet in which you can win with the million-dollar man. Even comparably, when I was your age. You're no prize champ. That's why YOU must approach women.

Well maybe I'm delusional but I feel like while I don't excel in 1 category I'm doing well across the board which is more than most men can say.. so I feel like a prize..


.. And as a man thinketh..

 

[guru1000]

Cola, all egos aside, I'm not here to compete with you. There are only a handful of quite intelligent posters on this site, and you're one of them.

One thing I don't like to see is wasted talent. You are bigger than your current stature and game plan. Most men are never told this and thus feel subjugated to a life of mediocrity. I just like to see you at least trying to capitalize on your true value.

 

[Tenacity]

Cola, all egos aside, I'm not here to compete with you. There are only a handful of quite intelligent posters on this site, and you're one of them.

One thing I don't like to see is wasted talent. You are bigger than your current stature and game plan. Most men are never told this and thus feel subjugated to a life of mediocrity. I just like to see you at least trying to capitalize on your true value.

This is literally the same stuff this person said to me.........right before he started calling me monkey, ape, and every other racial slur you can imagine. You are COOL with this person until you disagree with this person. The moment you disagree with this person, EVERYTHING about you becomes a problem.

 

[guru1000]

Tenacity, you're a smart guy too via logic, but you lack emotional intelligence; that is, the intelligence needed to connect with people. And this is your downfall.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity, you're a smart guy too via logic, but you lack emotional intelligence; that is, the intelligence needed to connect with people. And this is your downfall.

This person says that I lack the "intelligence" to connect with people, when my career for over 10 years has been based on connecting with people.

Let me go to bed before this person gets me banned again lol.

 

[Julian]

So I shouldn't take pride in the fact that if I so chose I could kill mr million dollar man with my bare hands?

Is that supposed to impress? Whats wrong with you dawg. Why do you feel the need to break it down to violence to get some sort of ego trip or what? It doesnt justify you thinking you some special snowflake.