Don't compromise with women

[Fruitbat]

[QUOTE="BeExcellent, post: 2471350, member: 131375". My pic?

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Me too.

 

[ubercat]

Nah your pics got your good side

 

[Urbanyst]

I will agree that exceptionally beautiful people are often (but not always) neurotic. This was certainly and sadly true of the professional male model I dated prior to dating my ex husband.

To be honest I was stunned at his level of insecurity because I had been in LTRs before him with better looking men who were not at all insecure. So I found that surprising at the time.

However to paint ALL extremely hot women in this group is an error.

Basically what I'm hearing guru say for example, is that most really hot women are too one dimensional (bringing looks above all else) and too neurotic to be worth long term investment. That I can believe. Most. Not ALL.

Remember, you are going to become accustomed to her looks, no matter what she looks like. But her constant need for external validation is going to wear on you after a while because that need never goes away if a person is neurotic.

What I've learned is that a hot woman who is emotionally stable and internally validated is really quite rare. And extremely sought after. These are women whose value goes up as you get to know them because they have more than looks to bring to the table. They actually have grace, humility, appreciation and authenticity to offer. They have character.

There ARE beautiful women out there who have character. These are the women who men really covet. Don't have such limiting broad brush beliefs that you miss a woman like this. They don't grow on trees.

Most attractive women are either horrible people or extremely lazy/boring people.

Comes from having too much power too early in life. That situation always ruins a person's character/personality. More so these days than in the past. I think Smart Phones and Social Media have eroded the few scraps of redeemable traits this generation of women still had lol.

The attractive women with character were usually fat or awkward when they were younger and only became attractive after high school or sometime in college. By then, most of their personality is already baked in and the new power of being HOT doesn't do as much damage.

 

[sosousage]

I'm exactly the sort of chick I'm talking about, but I'm not the only one. My pic?

See avatar.

maybe if you were teacher in my school i wouldnt skip it so much!

 

[beforeimgone]

I'm exactly the sort of chick I'm talking about, but I'm not the only one. My pic?

See avatar.

The female in your pic isn't bad for a 48 year old. Even if you have managed to gain a few more desirable qualities than you had in your twenties, that doesn't matter because you no longer qualify as the hottest of women. Most women wake up a little in their thirties

There are women who are capable of breaking the mold out there but they are a rarity.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

It seems that most attractive women are just used to saying random things, and having them validated by men looking to score.

Not doing so leads to a bit of a frame crush. Leads to me qualifying her, and a good display of boundaries on my part.

Doesn't need to be anything aggressive. Just simply "why?", and then being unconvinced.

It is amazing some of the sh*t they come out with. And with no challenge or counterpoint, how much that sh*t can escalate. White knights allow women to operate in a weird bubble, and I've found it best very early on to not be another enabler and show boundaries on this.

It's the enabling that leads to a steady drip of operating in her frame. And the next thing you know, you are sitting there watching "the special olympics" thinking how the fvck did I get here?

You know I've never thought about it like that, but reading this, I think you're right. And it makes a lot of sense too. How many pretty girls 18-22 (we're talking at least HB6) say random sh!t to guys, guys eat it up simply because they are trying to increase their chances to get in her panties. Girl doesn't even register what she said is stupid, continues on with life saying stupid sh!t.

Good wisdom in that post sir.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Most attractive women are either horrible people or extremely lazy/boring people.

Comes from having too much power too early in life. That situation always ruins a person's character/personality. More so these days than in the past. I think Smart Phones and Social Media have eroded the few scraps of redeemable traits this generation of women still had lol.

The attractive women with character were usually fat or awkward when they were younger and only became attractive after high school or sometime in college. By then, most of their personality is already baked in and the new power of being HOT doesn't do as much damage.

The fabled unicorn, will love and support her man, and be relatively inexperienced at sex, but eager to learn and please.

 

[Urbanyst]

The fabled unicorn, will love and support her man, and be relatively inexperienced at sex, but eager to learn and please.

Fabled is right lol.

 

[Fruitbat]

The female in your pic isn't bad for a 48 year old. Even if you have managed to gain a few more desirable qualities than you had in your twenties, that doesn't matter because you no longer qualify as the hottest of women. Most women wake up a little in their thirties

There are women who are capable of breaking the mold out there but they are a rarity.

I'm not sure about that for ALL. Some of these women who had the world at their feet get VERY upset their power has been robbed from them.

They discover feminism and find a new thought process which says "It't the medias fault - when you were young and pretty, it was your awesome personality. Now you're sagging it's the fault of billboards and TV pushing "unattainable and unrealistic" female body-image at men"

Some of the meanest, man hating nutjobs are formerly pretty women who never thought the day would come when they wouldn't have complete control over every man they met.

 

[BeExcellent]

The female in your pic isn't bad for a 48 year old. Even if you have managed to gain a few more desirable qualities than you had in your twenties, that doesn't matter because you no longer qualify as the hottest of women. Most women wake up a little in their thirties

There are women who are capable of breaking the mold out there but they are a rarity.

Women who break the mold are rare but they do exist. Most end up married and stay married.

Obviously I'm not 25 anymore but I've been the girl EVERY guy wants. I know from experience what that sort of abundance/choice/desirability is like. I didn't realize I was pretty or hot until college. Looks were never emphasized at my house growing up. Character, grades/smarts and achievement were.

Even at my age I've got more male attention from high value men than I have time for, lol. I truly enjoy men & male company.

Take or leave my advice here. But my perspective is that of the hot cool girl most any man would like to find. That remains my reality for now.

Will I be outwardly beautiful forever? Of course not. Time comes for us all. It is graceful to simply accept that and give way to the youth that comes after. I am thankful for the blessings I've had and the experiences those blessings have afforded me. I have a little wisdom and I have lots of entertaining stories to tell in my old age. Cheers.

 

[beforeimgone]

Women who break the mold are rare but they do exist. Most end up married and stay married.

Obviously I'm not 25 anymore but I've been the girl EVERY guy wants. I know from experience what that sort of abundance/choice/desirability is like. I didn't realize I was pretty or hot until college. Looks were never emphasized at my house growing up. Character, grades/smarts and achievement were.

Even at my age I've got more male attention from high value men than I have time for, lol. I truly enjoy men & male company.

Take or leave my advice here. But my perspective is that of the hot cool girl most any man would like to find. That remains my reality for now.

Will I be outwardly beautiful forever? Of course not. Time comes for us all. It is graceful to simply accept that and give way to the youth that comes after. I am thankful for the blessings I've had and the experiences those blessings have afforded me. I have a little wisdom and I have lots of entertaining stories to tell in my old age. Cheers.

This post isn't about finding some unicorn that is super hot and "neurotic." It's about why you shouldn't compromise with most of the top tier women.

 

[BeExcellent]

This post isn't about finding some unicorn that is super hot and "neurotic." It's about why you shouldn't compromise with most of the top tier women.

I understand completely the premise of your post. What I am pointing out is that your assumptions actually do not include the actual top tier women, those who are 9 or 10 in looks AND emotionally stable/have character/are grounded. Those are the very top tier. My opinion is that you are painting with too broad a brush and this is to your disadvantage.

Beautiful women are everywhere. Beautiful women who have solid character and are NOT neurotic are NOT everywhere.

Based on your OP I do not think you would quite know what to do with a woman who is both exceptionally beautiful/hot/etc. and is well grounded as a person. So if you were to run into a truly exceptional woman who is both gorgeous and self assured, your belief system is not going to serve you well. That's all.

 

[beforeimgone]

I understand completely the premise of your post. What I am pointing out is that your assumptions actually do not include the actual top tier women, those who are 9 or 10 in looks AND emotionally stable/have character/are grounded. Those are the very top tier. My opinion is that you are painting with too broad a brush and this is to your disadvantage.

Beautiful women are everywhere. Beautiful women who have solid character and are NOT neurotic are NOT everywhere.

Based on your OP I do not think you would quite know what to do with a woman who is both exceptionally beautiful/hot/etc. and is well grounded as a person. So if you were to run into a truly exceptional woman who is both gorgeous and self assured, your belief system is not going to serve you well. That's all.

In my original post, I said:

"Also, pay attention to the signs that she is legitimately trying to discuss something. This will be very rare so don't use this as an excuse to be a pvssy."

You can think whatever you want, but this post has a clearly defined purpose. Pay attention

 

[Fruitbat]

I understand completely the premise of your post. What I am pointing out is that your assumptions actually do not include the actual top tier women, those who are 9 or 10 in looks AND emotionally stable/have character/are grounded. Those are the very top tier. My opinion is that you are painting with too broad a brush and this is to your disadvantage.

Beautiful women are everywhere. Beautiful women who have solid character and are NOT neurotic are NOT everywhere.

Based on your OP I do not think you would quite know what to do with a woman who is both exceptionally beautiful/hot/etc. and is well grounded as a person. So if you were to run into a truly exceptional woman who is both gorgeous and self assured, your belief system is not going to serve you well. That's all.

They don't exist. beautiful women are self made. The beauty is the result of hours of self focus, work in the gym, work on style, work on nails, work on make up, work on tanning, work on hair styling, work on cosmetic surgery, work on skin treatments, work on hair straghtening, work on teeth, work on hair colouring, work on waxing, work on observing fashion. These are the things which go into being a 9 or 10 for the VAST MAJORITY of women who aren't 18-25, and even the ones that are STILL need HUGE amounts of focus.

The fact they are a 9 or 10 by very definition dictates they are either neurotic, self absorbed or have a personal quest to bag the highest quality man, or men they can. They have dedicated their lives to being attractive. You have more chance finding hens teeth than a 9 or 10 who isn't hugely selfish, or just arun of the mill good girl. They are playing the big game.

For men, it;s the same. Elite athletes, elite weightlifters, male models, captains of industry - on the whole, all of these men are never, ever going to provide a steady, decent partner to the vast majority of people. Why? What is driving their ambition? To be an easy going, humble, devoted partner? Or to be powerful, to be the centre of attention, to feed an ego.

It depends on perspective but for most folks out there, you're looking for a unicorn if you think the absolute cream of sexual partner in the opposite sex is going to be the "one for you". You are going to have to share, or put up with some serious shyt.

 

[BeExcellent]

I'm telling you woman that you need to lay off the marriage thing.

Don't think that you are pulling a fast one, because you aren't.

You have some good views, and you are nearly as red-pill as a woman can possibly be, but your game is obvious. When you start gaming, I get the hump.

Cut out the constant "married women are high-value; you get better sex when you are married; men need to marry in order to fulfill their purpose" thing. Because it seriously pulls back any of the good things that you say, and it pulls back any guys looking to reach a better level. It's contrary to any sort of experience, or sense.

Marriage isn't jack sh*t, other than your end-game.

It's funny @deesade. I am not "on" the marriage thing. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

My point is that men who find a beautiful woman who has a good head on her shoulders tend to want to keep her around.

Most women, especially the young, childless women, want marriage at some point. The best women have no issue in getting married because they are worth getting married to. I know any number of them...and they remain happily married. There are men on this board who are either married to or seriously dating marriage worthy chicks who are both beautiful and grounded. There are plenty of happily married couples out there in the world too. So it's not my frame at all. It's a fact.

That market segment does in fact exist, and men who are into the spin plates, never invest in a chick, all women are insecure, all women are this, all women are that crowd are exactly those who are not going to be in a position to enjoy a relationship with a woman worth marrying. Why? The chick knows her value and knows she can find another man who shares in that desire to marry, or who becomes of that mind after getting to know her. All you have to do is read married red pill sub on Reddit and so forth. Many of these red pill marrieds enjoy their relationships very much.

Men gripe constantly about the dearth of quality in the market. The fact is that the best women are the most marriageable women and thusly as they marry they drop out of the market, leaving less marriageable women in the market.

So the market suffers from attrition where good women are concerned. I don't think that should come as a surprise.

It's also no surprise that men who are dithering about with less noteworthy women (since the best ones get snatched up as a rule) become jaded and do not believe that good quality women exist. This is an ego protecting myth founded in suspended disbelief. These same guys also cannot understand that there are such things as "happy" marriages. More ego protection (since they are not the men who ended up with these best sorts of girls.)

You yourself have run into one or two worthwhile girls and the relation runs its course because eventually the chick wants to get hitched. Eventually its over since you are not going to capitulate. So you well understand the deal.

As for my game, I do not plan myself to remarry (although I've had it trial ballooned at me by a couple of men). I'm more a pick a great guy and enjoy a good stable enjoyable LTR kind of gal at this point, no certificate needed. Having been the one at risk for asset stripping (and having survived that unscathed) there is no way I'm putting my assets at risk like that with anybody else.

What I see on my end of the SMV market is what happens to player types when they hit the wall, because men are going to hit it also. They end up alone in many instances. And ending up alone is just dandy if that is what a guy prefers.

But then some guys end up there and the same thing happens to them as happens to post wall hot women. The party has moved on and they aren't included anymore. And they too wonder what the hell happened.

The retired pro hockey player I know is a sobering example of what happens to these guys. He's 55 years old, a rich bachelor. His knees are shot, he needs 2 knee replacements, he's got an elderly mum to look out for, houses in different countries and money out the wazoo. He's good looking and used to being a player, only he's come up against the realization that he's quite envious of his friends and buddies and colleagues who built families and have a devoted spouse and children and grandchildren to enjoy. He has no one to take care of him but plenty of women are happy to take advantage of him because he can afford to pay them. It's sad. He has nobody to nurse him once he gets his knees done for example, and he's starting to gain weight because one of his knees keeps collapsing and he can't work out enough to keep the weight off. He eats too much. He drinks heavily. He's very disappointed he never "settled down". He's almost bitter about it, because he admits he let some great women go along the way. But hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

My "game" is to be the best person I can be, to encourage other people to be the best people they can be, enjoy the present moment, be a good friend and/or lover as the case may be, give back, keep it real and to be very honest about what you want out of life. Not just in the short term, but in the long term as well. In the 20s and even in the 30s it's easy to take the short term view only and call it good. I've always looked more long term and I think most people as they reach the 40s and older also start to do this. But it's as difficult to explain this perspective to a much younger person much like my teenage kids cannot understand that I "get" being a teenager (since I was one long ago.)

So I just put a counter point out there as food for thought.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

In my original post, I said:

"Also, pay attention to the signs that she is legitimately trying to discuss something. This will be very rare so don't use this as an excuse to be a pvssy."

You can think whatever you want, but this post has a clearly defined purpose. Pay attention

Why do you even bother talking to her?

She looks like a chipmunk with busted teeth, and that's with makeup on from a distance.

Women are not worth anything. We just had a hurricane here. Something real. It is men who go out and fix the power lines, rebuild the buildings, clear the heavy debris.

Females live in a world that's built for them and they don't even realize it.

 

[beforeimgone]

Why do you even bother talking to her?

She looks like a chipmunk with busted teeth, and that's with makeup on from a distance.

Women are not worth anything. We just had a hurricane here. Something real. It is men who go out and fix the power lines, rebuild the buildings, clear the heavy debris.

Females live in a world that's built for them and they don't even realize it.

Because I wanted to see if she was actually receiving the point. She wasn't, but I can see how she can get a lot of the other guys here to align with her.

 

[BeExcellent]

And some of those women over the years have still got in touch with me. I don't find the frame of "high/low quality" nearly to be as inclusive as that of "lover/provider".

i don't particularly take any satisfaction at all from women either seeing me as father or marriage material. To me, that is insulting. When women have sincerely meant that about me in the past, i've actually been low down their "high score list" (as des would put it), and i have plenty of perspective for that.

You will just have to excuse me madam if i don't really view marriage as necessarily winning some sort of prize.

It's the same way how we have cuffing season coming up. Never an easier time of year to easily ltr someone who would be outside of our usual league (which i'll make a thread about.

If it makes you feel any better I agree on the lover/provider thing to a great degree. I for one prefer the lover archetype as I can and do provide for myself and mine.

But I have to have a man who doesn't require me providing for him. I require a man who is successful/self sufficient that I can respect who I find sexually alluring. Otherwise why bother?That pool is extremely small due to my own success in the world. It is what it is although recently I've met someone who so far seems to fit the bill. We shall see.

 

[BeExcellent]

Fair enough. Artist guy doing fine. He's been busy at lots of shows lately & recently moved in (rescued?) a crazy ex gf from an unstable guy she was dating. He's a rescuer. His ex wife was an addict...Needless to say I withdrew from that situation before getting too involved.

That is not drama I need to be tangled in, lol.