Gonna have to live with my parents until 31

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So I know that a lot of you guys say that you gotta be on your own and such, that you gotta build your life yourself. But the thing is, it will take a lot of time for me. I don't want to be a drone to just work this low paying job until I have enough cash to get my own place and struggle paycheck to paycheck. I did some math and by the time I actually start making a lot of money, I will be about 31 depending on certain factors. But I would be broke as **** until that time. I don't want to rely on my parents all the time, I mean pay for my own food and clothes and such. Parents are paying for most of my college thankfully so I won't have any major expenses, at least not yet anyway. But the biggest thing is that I have another goal outside of financial success and women and that alone is what is stopping me from being able to actually love on my own until the age listed above. Does this make me a loser or something? I mean once I do start making money, my income will start off at a minimum of $300,000 a year, and will go up each year until I'm making a little over $500,000 per year. Downside is that I'll be working 75-90 hours a week, and the 5 years prior to that will be up to 100 hours a week and I'll probably be making abou 30k, maybe 40k. I'm trying to be an orthopedic surgeon in case you were wondering. This might change though, I'm not fixed on it. I'm wondering about a cost-benefit analysis because I'd make a **** ton of money, but I'd have no time at all to do anything else, not even for family it seems, plus it takes a LOOONG time to get there too, and it's super hard and competitive even though we need surgeons (the system is ****ed up). Thoughts and opinions on everything?

 

[btownbuck2012]

Nothing worth doing is easy dude. If that's what you really want to do (is it?) then do it.

As far as living at home with your parents goes, don't worry about it. I did it for a year after college and most of my friends did too. With the way the economy and workforce is these days, it's almost a given that people will spend a year or two or more with their folks while they're establishing themselves. You're not a loser.

 

[Trump]

Wouldn't put all my time and effort into being a surgeon for the money. Do it for the respect and status, not for money or women, they are a byproduct.

There are tons of other things you can do if you want to make a lot of money. It takes time and energy, but it's not as hard as being a surgeon.

I make a lot more money than a surgeon does, but I don't near have the "Doctor" status. Sometimes I wish I did. It all depends what you want.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Nothing worth doing is easy dude. If that's what you really want to do (is it?) then do it.

As far as living at home with your parents goes, don't worry about it. I did it for a year after college and most of my friends did too. With the way the economy and workforce is these days, it's almost a given that people will spend a year or two or more with their folks while they're establishing themselves. You're not a loser.

Thanks bro. It's just bothersome that there's no way to have it all without getting lucky. Either you make a lot of money but have no time and are stuck living with parents, or you have all the time and no money and are stuck living with them, or you are in debt while living on your own and without anything on-hand.

Wouldn't put all my time and effort into being a surgeon for the money. Do it for the respect and status, not for money or women, they are a byproduct.

There are tons of other things you can do if you want to make a lot of money. It takes time and energy, but it's not as hard as being a surgeon.

I make a lot more money than a surgeon does, but I don't near have the "Doctor" status. Sometimes I wish I did. It all depends what you want.

I'm doing it mostly for the money. Biology does interest me, especially the bones, muscles, and ligaments/tendons. The 'doctor' status only means you are more likely to get gold diggers or rich snobs, not necessarily nice people. Though those are more likely to come across too since you have a higher influx of people in general due to your job.

But what do you do? How can you make more with putting in less effort? And I guess I would also like to know HOW much work you need to do as well.

For me, a job is a job. I don't consider it as a hobby or something that I like. I do it out of necessity; because I HAVE to. That's my mindset on what a job is. There's no feelings or emotions really, you do what you gotta do to get the paycheck so that you can get what you want. One of the positives about this profession is that it will be successful anywhere in the world, and he current state of global affairs seem extremely unstable right now and are bound to get even more unstable. Should something happen to this country, I can survive elsewhere. That's something that I never quite thought of until my father pointed it out. But regardless, money is money, and currencies can be exchanged.

So what are these jobs that you speak of?

 

[btownbuck2012]

Thanks bro. It's just bothersome that there's no way to have it all without getting lucky. Either you make a lot of money but have no time and are stuck living with parents, or you have all the time and no money and are stuck living with them, or you are in debt while living on your own and without anything on-hand.

That's life - that's reality.

 

[wifehunter]

it's a good time to work on yourself.

 

[hockeyfreak79]

Not sure where you getting those working hrs, yeah med school you'll be busting your ass and 4/5 yrs residency probably the same. Get your bachelors degree 1st and just take it from there. Surgeons need to be sharp and alert for obvious reasons. Maybe during peak season, but noway in hell orthopedic surgeons work that many hrs. Too many would burn out and have heart attacks within 5yrs.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Not sure where you getting those working hrs, yeah med school you'll be busting your ass and 4/5 yrs residency probably the same. Get your bachelors degree 1st and just take it from there. Surgeons need to be sharp and alert for obvious reasons. Maybe during peak season, but noway in hell orthopedic surgeons work that many hrs. Too many would burn out and have heart attacks within 5yrs.

How much do they work then? I'm reading about it and I am kinda lost whether or not I want to do it right about now.

 

[skinnyguy]

Wouldn't put all my time and effort into being a surgeon for the money. Do it for the respect and status, not for money or women, they are a byproduct.

There are tons of other things you can do if you want to make a lot of money. It takes time and energy, but it's not as hard as being a surgeon.

I make a lot more money than a surgeon does, but I don't near have the "Doctor" status. Sometimes I wish I did. It all depends what you want.

But being a real estate mogul and the President of the United States means you have a lot of status, doesn't it?

 

[RedScorpion]

75-90 hours a week seems beyond reasonable. If you think you'd love it, and are passionate about it - then definitely go for it. Enjoying your job and not having it be soul-sucking is what many people miss out on. And in my opinion, prevents burnout, enables you to perform better... etc. So if it's something you'd like, I'd go for it.

I think there's a certain point in income where that extra amount just enables you to buy nicer toys for yourself. Slightly bigger home, more expensive cars, etc... I think probably around 100k and above, it shifts from a steady increase in enjoyable lifestyle (more freedom from debt, expanded life opportunities to embrace hobbies, go on trips, excursions) to extra 'bonus' stuff. Nothing wrong with more income if that's what you're going for. But I think an enjoyable career that you're passionate about, with a decent income, is better than one that you will eventually hate doing (if it isn't one you're keen on).

Myself, having had a fairly decent job/career before I switched back to school - eventually you don't really think about the money, and you think about the job you're doing. I've done a horrible 4 day on, 4 day off 12 hour shift for a couple years. Thought it was awesome at first, but it gets old quick. It can suck you out of the realm of normal living, due to everyone else in the world working 9-5, Mon-Fri shifts. I don't think it was particularly good for me overall. Luckily I enjoyed my work and what I did, but even then... hmm.

I would say, if you aren't settled on this career... make a list of what you are interested in. And then think about:
First - What you are most passionate about, and what will make yourself proud of being accomplished in it
Second - What delivers the threshold of income for your desires (I'd suggest over 60-70k, myself I'd 'prefer' 100k+... then I don't think it truly matters so much).
Third - Overall health impact and effect on the rest of your life (can be offset by your passion for it, money offsets this less so I think)

As long as you're pushing towards your goals, then you're not a loser. You just need to be 'moving' towards something, and that's what is respectable. Even a doctor or someone supposed high status can be a 'loser', if they stop trying to achieve and grow for themselves.

 

[sosousage]

Depends how you feel with it. I feel bad living with parents at age of 22 but maybe thats because i was already living on my own but decided to go back due to ****ty jobs

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

75-90 hours a week seems beyond reasonable. If you think you'd love it, and are passionate about it - then definitely go for it. Enjoying your job and not having it be soul-sucking is what many people miss out on. And in my opinion, prevents burnout, enables you to perform better... etc. So if it's something you'd like, I'd go for it.

I think there's a certain point in income where that extra amount just enables you to buy nicer toys for yourself. Slightly bigger home, more expensive cars, etc... I think probably around 100k and above, it shifts from a steady increase in enjoyable lifestyle (more freedom from debt, expanded life opportunities to embrace hobbies, go on trips, excursions) to extra 'bonus' stuff. Nothing wrong with more income if that's what you're going for. But I think an enjoyable career that you're passionate about, with a decent income, is better than one that you will eventually hate doing (if it isn't one you're keen on).

Myself, having had a fairly decent job/career before I switched back to school - eventually you don't really think about the money, and you think about the job you're doing. I've done a horrible 4 day on, 4 day off 12 hour shift for a couple years. Thought it was awesome at first, but it gets old quick. It can suck you out of the realm of normal living, due to everyone else in the world working 9-5, Mon-Fri shifts. I don't think it was particularly good for me overall. Luckily I enjoyed my work and what I did, but even then... hmm.

I would say, if you aren't settled on this career... make a list of what you are interested in. And then think about:
First - What you are most passionate about, and what will make yourself proud of being accomplished in it
Second - What delivers the threshold of income for your desires (I'd suggest over 60-70k, myself I'd 'prefer' 100k+... then I don't think it truly matters so much).
Third - Overall health impact and effect on the rest of your life (can be offset by your passion for it, money offsets this less so I think)

As long as you're pushing towards your goals, then you're not a loser. You just need to be 'moving' towards something, and that's what is respectable. Even a doctor or someone supposed high status can be a 'loser', if they stop trying to achieve and grow for themselves.

If you're talking about enjoyment, I don't really care what the job is if I'm doing it with some really cool and funny people. It's the socializing aspect that will make it old for me. That's why I said before that to me a job is all about money, because most people don't go to work to socialize much on the side or anything, it's all about money to them.

In terms of how much I need to survive or live comfortably, well I still am family-minded in this sense so that's why 100k won't cut it for me.

 

[Desdinova]

Parents are paying for most of my college thankfully so I won't have any major expenses, at least not yet anyway.

I didn't have that option when I was younger. I was trying to have a life while I was living at home, and it royally pissed off my dad. He started imposing curfews and putting unreasonable demands on me, so I ended up moving out of home at age 20. I ended up paying for my own college education while living at home. It wasn't easy.

If your parents treat you well, let you live your own life, and you're actually working towards doing something meaningful with your life, then take advantage of it. If I was able to do things differently, I probably would have got into real estate. At my current age, I wouldn't bother. I see my 40s as a time to truly enjoy the things that I've worked for, and I worked my fvcking ass off for them.

I did some math and by the time I actually start making a lot of money, I will be about 31 depending on certain factors.

You're using your 20s wisely by building up your future. I wish I would have done that instead of chasing "family life". I learned that my 30s have been the best years being single. I've have more pvssy than I could ever imagine. You will too, and you're going to have cash to throw around to boot.

You're not a loser when you're working towards your future. You're a loser if you sit at home doing nothing while expecting your parents to flip the bill for your lazy ass. Instead, they've given you the resources to either make something of yourself or waste your life. As long as you use those resources wisely, you'll come out a winner.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I didn't have that option when I was younger. I was trying to have a life while I was living at home, and it royally pissed off my dad. He started imposing curfews and putting unreasonable demands on me, so I ended up moving out of home at age 20. I ended up paying for my own college education while living at home. It wasn't easy.

If your parents treat you well, let you live your own life, and you're actually working towards doing something meaningful with your life, then take advantage of it. If I was able to do things differently, I probably would have got into real estate. At my current age, I wouldn't bother. I see my 40s as a time to truly enjoy the things that I've worked for, and I worked my fvcking ass off for them.



You're using your 20s wisely by building up your future. I wish I would have done that instead of chasing "family life". I learned that my 30s have been the best years being single. I've have more pvssy than I could ever imagine. You will too, and you're going to have cash to throw around to boot.

You're not a loser when you're working towards your future. You're a loser if you sit at home doing nothing while expecting your parents to flip the bill for your lazy ass. Instead, they've given you the resources to either make something of yourself or waste your life. As long as you use those resources wisely, you'll come out a winner.

Thanks. One of the problems are that I am still family minded like I said above. Some part of me still wants to have a family. There is another part that say screw that, I don't know which side is winning though. I will need to work a lot to have to have enough money that my family is able to live comfortably. Another thing is that I don't want to spend the strongest years of my life sleep-deprived and slaving away to companies to learn from them. I don't quite know what to make of all this right now.

 

[CMNILS87]

I think you're wanting to be a doctor for the wrong reasons. 3-500k and working yourself to the bone for money later on. No where in there did I hear about your passion for assisting other people and dealing with their problems. If you don't have an inherent need to help people, I wouldn't force myself through all the school for thst money.

Not only do you need great grades, but you need contacts, work experience as a nurse aid or sorts, references for med school. Let's not forget about interviews for med school. If those interviewers think you're there to make money or feel something off about you or your hearts not fully in it, they'll see right through you.

You want to make money?..., be a dentist. Undergrad and 4 more years of grad school. You don't need much bedside manner, and profits are sky high

 

[_sideways_]

Ortho docs work 6-6pm. And sometimes more because surgeries take longer. Then on days you don't operate, you're in the clinic seeing patients so that gets old. And you're on cal for weekends when an old lady breaks her hip.
Its stressful. You don't get to enjoy the money and status as much as TV makes it seem.

A first assist is a nice middle ground. Still get to operate. Don't have to worry about having your own practice.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I think you're wanting to be a doctor for the wrong reasons. 3-500k and working yourself to the bone for money later on. No where in there did I hear about your passion for assisting other people and dealing with their problems. If you don't have an inherent need to help people, I wouldn't force myself through all the school for thst money.

Not only do you need great grades, but you need contacts, work experience as a nurse aid or sorts, references for med school. Let's not forget about interviews for med school. If those interviewers think you're there to make money or feel something off about you or your hearts not fully in it, they'll see right through you.

You want to make money?..., be a dentist. Undergrad and 4 more years of grad school. You don't need much bedside manner, and profits are sky high

Very true. After I had my spinal cord injury when I was younger, I wanted to be a doctor.

My doctor told me they looked for a "people person" and not just "Mr. Science," let alone "Mr. Money."

 

[zekko]

Better to live at home until you're 31 than to build up a mountain of college debt that you'll never be able to pay off.
Do what you have to do, it will pay dividends later.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I think you're wanting to be a doctor for the wrong reasons. 3-500k and working yourself to the bone for money later on. No where in there did I hear about your passion for assisting other people and dealing with their problems. If you don't have an inherent need to help people, I wouldn't force myself through all the school for thst money.

Not only do you need great grades, but you need contacts, work experience as a nurse aid or sorts, references for med school. Let's not forget about interviews for med school. If those interviewers think you're there to make money or feel something off about you or your hearts not fully in it, they'll see right through you.

You want to make money?..., be a dentist. Undergrad and 4 more years of grad school. You don't need much bedside manner, and profits are sky high

A job is a job, like I said. No one would do it if it didn't pay. That's for certain. I was actually looking at dentistry as well so that's on the back of my mind too.

Ortho docs work 6-6pm. And sometimes more because surgeries take longer. Then on days you don't operate, you're in the clinic seeing patients so that gets old. And you're on cal for weekends when an old lady breaks her hip.
Its stressful. You don't get to enjoy the money and status as much as TV makes it seem.

A first assist is a nice middle ground. Still get to operate. Don't have to worry about having your own practice.

I can manage stress really well. I'm detached from everything and everyone so I'm not really affected by it much at all. I can deal with blood and death and all that. The only thing that I can't deal with is intentionally torturing someone, which doesn't happen in a hospital lol.

Very true. After I had my spinal cord injury when I was younger, I wanted to be a doctor.

My doctor told me they looked for a "people person" and not just "Mr. Science," let alone "Mr. Money."

Well that's why I chose specifically orthopedic surgery. Oftentimes it's sport-related injuries so it's more like "oh what's your max bench?" type attitude rather than the serious life-or-death situation that heart surgeons are and whatnot. I like the social aspect more and it isn't nearly as life-threatening.

 

[zekko]

Well that's why I chose specifically orthopedic surgery

Good for you wanting to make something of yourself, don't let others deter you. I'm sure it's hard work, but it should be rewarding, in more ways than one.