Total Reproductive Value (Chart)

[bigneil]

This shows reproductive value by age. Note we can never compare to a young girl in her prime.

This is a scaled SMV graph, showing how women are intrinsically more valuable (reproductive wise) in their prime years than men in his prime years.

Note how at age 30 the paths briefly cross as her SMV plummets.

Still, it's good to be a guy!

 

[RichardTheFrog]

This shows reproductive value by age. Note we can never compare to a young girl in her prime.

This is a scaled SMV graph, showing how women are intrinsically more valuable (reproductive wise) in their prime years than men in his prime years.

Note how at age 30 the paths briefly cross as her SMV plummets.

Still, it's good to be a guy!

And this is why the world is run by stupid little girls who do drugs all day and grew up playing Pokemon.

 

[bigneil]

As you can see, to match up peak SMV, women who look about 23 should date men who look about 38.

 

[bigneil]

Note that 21 year old women are superior to men at every age - HENCE THEY ARE EXPENSIVE. Imagine that. Paying more to get more.

Also note the absurdity of expecting 21 year old men to keep 21 year old women happy (and the absurdity of 48 year old women keeping 48 year old men happy). Yet certain individuals are pushing for exactly these scenarios.

 

[CMNILS87]

When was the last time you hung out with a college age 22 year old girl that wasn't one of your Russian models/strippers? They know nothing, talk about themselves 24/7, and I get annoyed so fast with them. I'm 30 back in school for engineering so I know this. It's literally trying to find a needle in a haystack of 22 year olds that are even worth a crap.

Now a 38 year old trying to date a 22 year old? The maturity levels are completely different and life experiences are way different. Theoretically yes the SMV's peak at these 2 different ages, but theoretical is still not practical. Most 21 year old don't want to date a guy their dads age.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The assumption of the peak value of the most valued 21 year old female being twice that of the most valuable 40 year old male is a nonsense. That's the skewed world view of the gynocentric West talking; multiplied by the over-valuation of women by men, across the marketplace

The decline of female value is also probably premature in this figure. Women are able to breed longer latterly, and most certainly aren't anywhere near 35% fertility at age 35 - Duchess of Cambridge just announced third pregnancy, aged 35, funnily enough.

If anything, the female value trace is probably more similar to that of the male trace in today's society, though they still peak and begin to decline sooner.

 

[bigneil]

When was the last time you hung out with a college age 22 year old girl that wasn't one of your Russian models/strippers? They know nothing, talk about themselves 24/7, and I get annoyed so fast with them. I'm 30 back in school for engineering so I know this.
.

Not including the one I lived with in NYC?

Did you really just attempt to disqualify 22 year old Russian looking models from the US? Wtf?

I've dated 10 girls about that age this year alone. I enjoy them. When they fall for you, you get 6 months of bliss. Then they leave, but always return. Always.

Teachers, students, bartenders, waitresses. And strippers.

My last girl's dad is 60, not 38.

At age 30 I dated 18 year old women. At 41 19 year old women. At 46 20 year old women. At 47 21 year old women.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

When was the last time you hung out with a college age 22 year old girl that wasn't one of your Russian models/strippers? They know nothing, talk about themselves 24/7, and I get annoyed so fast with them. I'm 30 back in school for engineering so I know this. It's literally trying to find a needle in a haystack of 22 year olds that are even worth a crap.

Now a 38 year old trying to date a 22 year old? The maturity levels are completely different and life experiences are way different. Theoretically yes the SMV's peak at these 2 different ages, but theoretical is still not practical. Most 21 year old don't want to date a guy their dads age.

Also the fact that females have no intrinsic value other than their bodies.

Men can build houses, etc.

The world makes no sense.

 

[Fruitbat]

I am 35. My GF is 24. We are both at the absolute peak, almost.

Can't see how dudes at 50 have only slightly less SMV than me when I observe virtually no 24 year old women dating 50 year old guys, even if monied. It's embarrasing for most mid 20s women to admit her BF is close to pension age than to her age.

I did find at 33ish my dating options increased massively though. Annoyingly, this was about the time my libido stopped being a raging torrent of semen....just as I get the chance to bone many chicks, I can't be bothered so much. The garden needs doing etc.

Funny that.

 

[HoneyHitter]

CMNILS87, most people don't improve their conversational skills an awful lot. Men and women.

The 20 year old woman that is worth having a conversation with is the same woman (plus baggage) at 40. If you're going to qualify women based on conversation skill and interests, that alone will probably leave less than 20%. At any age.

 

[CMNILS87]

Not including the one I lived with in NYC?

Did you really just attempt to disqualify 22 year old Russian looking models from the US? Wtf?

I've dated 10 girls about that age this year alone. I enjoy them. When they fall for you, you get 6 months of bliss. Then they leave, but always return. Always.

Teachers, students, bartenders, waitresses. And strippers.

My last girl's dad is 60, not 38.

At age 30 I dated 18 year old women. At 41 19 year old women. At 46 20 year old women. At 47 21 year old women.

I can guarantee if you asked any girl on the street that was early 20's whether she'd date a guy that is 40. 9/10 would say no. The stigma attached with that is too much for young chicks. They want social circles to hang out in, the only way to get that is dating guys their age or a little older I'd say 7-8 years older at max.

The whole point of SoSuave is to enrich our lives, pick out decent women to date, and crush it at life. How is dating 20 year olds that fall in love with you in 3 months, break up with you, chase you around, come back for sex, leave again. I'm totally disqualifying them. They don't know what they want.

 

[bigneil]

I can guarantee if you asked any girl on the street that was early 20's whether she'd date a guy that is 40. 9/10 would say no. The stigma attached with that is too much for young chicks. They want social circles to hang out in, the only way to get that is dating guys their age or a little older I'd say 7-8 years older at max.

The whole point of SoSuave is to enrich our lives, pick out decent women to date, and crush it at life. How is dating 20 year olds that fall in love with you in 3 months, break up with you, chase you around, come back for sex, leave again. I'm totally disqualifying them. They don't know what they want.

So I'm overachieving. That's why I rule.

 

[bigneil]

@CMNILS87 - it was awful! While you were in the bathroom, your 39 year old girlfriend hijacked your SoSuave account and posted all this crap about how 21 year old women should date 21 year old men (the very week bigneil dated TWO 21 year old women, at age 47). Quick! Call them prostitutes even though he didn't have sex with both of them!!

 

[Fruitbat]

Also the fact that females have no intrinsic value other than their bodies.

Men can build houses, etc.

The world makes no sense.

Men build houses with their bodies and intellect

Women build bodies and raise children with their intellect.

Some women could build a house too.

Women have far more intrinsic value than their bodies, and most the men I know who build houses for a living are pretty dumb on quite a lot of levels. No offence to any housebuilders but you don't get much conversation on a building site.

 

[bigneil]

Women have far more intrinsic value than their bodies, and most the men I know who build houses for a living are pretty dumb on quite a lot of levels.

I knew it! You're a girl. Who else calls a 96 rated girl an escort except an old fat woman?

 

[Fruitbat]

I knew it! You're a girl. Who else calls a 96 rated girl an escort except an old fat woman?

Neil, by and large we have got on well on this forum. I know I ripped you up on that other thread but to be fair chum, you were treating it like a monument to your achievement rather than a serious or fun discussion. I'm far keener we get on rather than bytch at each other from now on, hence I have not blocked you. So, I hope we can put that behind us and go back to pleasant discourse. Deal?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Men build houses with their bodies and intellect

Women build bodies and raise children with their intellect.

Some women could build a house too.

Women have far more intrinsic value than their bodies, and most the men I know who build houses for a living are pretty dumb on quite a lot of levels. No offence to any housebuilders but you don't get much conversation on a building site.

What more intrinsic value do they have other than their theoretical capacity to make a good mother?

 

[Fruitbat]

What more intrinsic value do they have other than their theoretical capacity to make a good mother?

Well, their intelligence is closer to the mean value of the human race. This means that they are generally as able to perform non-physical jobs as well as their male counterparts. There are greater numbers of low intelligence humans in the male sex, so there are less acts of wanton stupidity being committed by women than by men as we speak. That's good for people giving prescriptions, running services and pretty much any job which doesn't require physical strength or spacial awareness. Also,the greatest achievements and discoveries have been by men, we are on a wider curve on the graph.

The human race is a collection of individuals. Ayn Raynd made a comment once about race which went something like "...you shouldn't ascribe stupidity to a black man because there are some brutes in his race, this is stupidity, the same as the numbers of white men who give themselves prestige because their race has produced some geniuses..." (no disrespect to black SSers meant, just proving a point).

The point I am making is just because SOME men have achieved some great things, and less women have, doesn't elevate all men to the level of kings and movers and shakers. I've met scores of completely competent women. I've met scores of completely useless men.

 

[AJ84]

I can guarantee if you asked any girl on the street that was early 20's whether she'd date a guy that is 40. 9/10 would say no. The stigma attached with that is too much for young chicks. They want social circles to hang out in, the only way to get that is dating guys their age or a little older I'd say 7-8 years older at max.

The whole point of SoSuave is to enrich our lives, pick out decent women to date, and crush it at life. How is dating 20 year olds that fall in love with you in 3 months, break up with you, chase you around, come back for sex, leave again. I'm totally disqualifying them. They don't know what they want.

There are some nice looking men in their 40s and up but rarely will you see them with girls in their early 20s, even though they are attractive enough to date someone that young. I think there's some stigma on both sides, with good looking older men not even attempting to date younger women.
If a young woman and older man are just looking for causal fun I think it could be an awesome experience for both to explore something different from what they are probably used to around dating, social life, secs. But when it comes to marriage and family, young women typically chose men closer to their own age for the real relationship stuff.

 

[zekko]

Can't see how dudes at 50 have only slightly less SMV than me when I observe virtually no 24 year old women dating 50 year old guys

This comment stood out to me since I am 56. I've been out of the game for awhile, so I don't have the personal experience of a guy in his 50s in the dating world. I've known guys in their 50s who bang 18 year olds though, so it's not like it's impossible. But it's certainly more common for the younger kids to get together.

I couldn't help but notice that according to the chart, supposedly I have the same reproductive value of a 24 year old. Of course, the thing that is hard to ignore here is that a 24 year old's value is on the uprise, while a 56 year old is in decline. In any case, I'm not sure the graph is set by who is dating 24 year olds. I would think that a 56 year old man has a wider age range of women he could date, even if not all of them are at peak fertile value. It's true that a 24 year old girl will always be physically appealing to men of any age, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a guy in his 50s will seek to date one. A 24 year old girl would be just starting her career, be looking to party a lot, and be at a completely different point in her life than I am. Sure, she might look great, but what would we have in common? I think that tends to become more important as a guy gets older.

Some women could build a house too.

Ever seen the survival show Alone? They put different people out in the wilderness to see how they survive. This past season there were 12 contestants, I think, only one of whom was female. She by far built the best and most intricate shelter. Most of the guys simply had a tarp laying over a stick. Women can be capable when they want to be. But of course, generally speaking, men are more likely to be interested in such things, which is why 11 out of the 12 were males in the first place.

I can guarantee if you asked any girl on the street that was early 20's whether she'd date a guy that is 40. 9/10 would say no.

I think that is true. But I also think it is true that if you place a high value man in front of them (who just happens to be 40), they will forget all about their age reservations as if they never existed.