Is there really a way to win the game these days?

[bigneil]

I don't see why you don't just go on Seeking Arrangement. I bet you'd have a blast on that site.

I'm not seeking arrangements. I just want to photograph beautiful women and in most cases I am able to seduce them. Paying for photo shoots is no different than paying for dinner. It's not paying for sex because sex isn't guaranteed and rarely happens to be honest.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I'm not seeking arrangements. I just want to photograph beautiful women and in most cases I am able to seduce them. Paying for photo shoots is no different than paying for dinner. It's not paying for sex because sex isn't guaranteed and rarely happens to be honest.

Wot!? I thought they'd be paying you for the photo shoot/ modeling pictures!

Why don't you change your modus operandi?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The problem seems to be that the "prize" is not a prize.

And if you don't call "women" the prize, and instead you say that "a baby" is the prize.... then what does that get you? 18 years of child support payments?

Sex is easy. You can just pay for it.

I think what you are calling "game" is just trying to trick girls who are too stupid to know they can charge for it.

It's society that's messed up. Not me. And if you call that "whining," IDGAF.

There is game and there is game. Ten different people, will have ten different games... and what they consider the prize.

My point, and others, is that it help to enjoys the process. This way you gain 'outcome independence' and 'abundance mentality', or in other words, are just cool. This is an attribute that women find attractive, even if you are not, by 'objective' standards, the sexist guy. There is not a lot you can do about the world, but there is something you can do about yourself.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

There is game and there is game. Ten different people, will have ten different games... and what they consider the prize.

My point, and others, is that it help to enjoys the process. This way you gain 'outcome independence' and 'abundance mentality', or in other words, are just cool. This is an attribute that women find attractive, even if you are not, by 'objective' standards, the sexist guy. There is not a lot you can do about the world, but there is something you can do about yourself.

What you're saying is that you have to numb your emotions to the point that they don't even exist so that you can impress a bunch of girls who aren't even worth it in the first place. And that is "being cool."

And, btw, it is these GIRLS (the feminists) that made this world such hell in the first place.

What if I don't want to be "cool" just so I can get in girls pants?

My true personality is more like this...

I'm also a psycho.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

What you're saying is that you have to numb your emotions to the point that they don't even exist so that you can impress a bunch of girls who aren't even worth it in the first place. And that is "being cool."

And, btw, it is these GIRLS (the feminists) that made this world such hell in the first place.

What if I don't want to be "cool" just so I can get in girls pants?

My true personality is more like this...

I'm also a psycho.

No, you are saying that. And that is not cool, but frigid.... yet frigid is a category that belongs more to the woman. Sociopathic might be the word you are looking for.

Cool is just a normal well-rounded guy... with no flies on him. He is also NOT desperate to get laid.

 

[Fruitbat]

There is no game. You make your own game.

If you trade money for pvssy you need to work on your personality.

You need a fundamental level of non-loserness. Above that, it's just about who you are.....

Only the richest/best looking guys can walk around being a d1ck and still get it. Hats off to them.

For the rest, you need more than money.

Not going for the "hottest" chicks is a good start. Aim for those women and you will be p1ssed off, unless you are same league, which 90%+of men aren't.

You can't apply player mindset without the goods. Same as a 6 cannot act like a prissy model without never getting a decent guy. Because no-one puts up with that shyt unless you have a LOT to compensate.

 

[Solomon]

Not as much as welfare moms. Not as much as alimony.

Seriously, is this a confession that you've never dated an HB9?

Underemployed men and fat women pretend that women can't be interested in both sex and money. They are not mutually exclusive. Good looking men are better if they have money. Rich men are better if they are good looking. Are you either?

Ask Charlie Sheen what his women cost, then get a job.

Welfare moms? you racists whorremonger, because I'm black you assume I'm on welfare?

you sound ignorant I wish you would say that in my face you internet thug, you're scum why haven't you been banned from this site yet?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

If this is your true goal, Richard, you do not need great nuggets of wisdom, moral lessons, the meaning of life or inner-game dropped upon you. All you need is either money or status/popularity. That's it.

All of that other stuff only comes into play when you want hot women/sex AND the relationship/bonding/trust/ability to confide in/monogamy, etc.

I've come across other posts of yours in which you've ranted, avoided or dismissed women due to their pop-culture simplicity, judged them based on their desire or lack thereof for having kids...whatever it might have been. These are the traits you would screen women for if you were on the search for more of the relationship-type qualities. But if your only goal is sex, these things should be of little concern to you.

In other words, if all you want to do is fvck, stop rejecting women because they don't meet relationship standards or because they talk about stupid, boring sh1t. Your goal is not to snuggle and have hours of captivating conversations with them.

If you want a hot slut that will go away after you're done, stop screening for a housewife or a LTR girlfriend.

Flash your money. Flash your status. Nail them. Move immediately on to the next. None will be worth keeping around anyway.

Okay. So how do I get "normal" girls to fvck me by having money? I can easily get prostitutes to do that, but most girls don't make a living as prostitutes.

What about Hooters girls, etc.? How exactly would I go about doing this? Or just your average girl working at Starbucks or whatever?

How do you suggest flashing money? I really don't want to waste money on a car or an expensive watch. Is that the type of thing you're talking about?

And how exactly does having money lead to me getting sex from them in any way that isn't an exchange of money for sex? Even the girls on Seeking Arrangement are just trying to squeeze as much cash out of you as they can while putting out as little as possible, which is why I haven't met any of them unless they were willing to just fvck for money on the first meet.

It doesn't excite me to sit across a table from someone and "get to know them." Is this something I should change?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

A lot of guys presume this is what it means: throw your money into the air and watch the gold diggers come running, but no, that is not what I'm talking about.

The means by which you make your money or achieve status is full of resources/connections that these women do not have, but are striving for. It's those resources that they are attracted to and will often submit to through sexual means to gain access.

Years ago my cousin and I did extensive work in the entertainment business. The sheer number of hot, sexy, wannabe actresses or musicians was ridiculous. They wanted that lead role in a movie, even if it was a sh1tty, cult, B-movie. They wanted that big gig at a certain popular venue they couldn't get before. When they see you are successful in such ways and have that kind of access, their attempt to appease and make YOU happy, talk about what YOU want to talk about and all of those other things will become their main priority, rather than you doing all of this to attract THEM.

You're in real estate, correct? That's your big money source? It's probably not as packed with hotties as entertainment is, but if you want your money/status to attract without you having to wastefully throw your money at these women, you're going to have to learn where/how to find attractive women who are trying to make it big in real estate themselves. Women who want access to the resources, knowledge or whatever else it might be that you have and they don't.

The point here is that you have to elevate yourself above and target the very women within the discipline(s) of your own financial/status success, whatever that might be. Real estate might be a little tough to do it in, but you can also do this through hobbies as well.

Can you give me an example of how you got sex from one of these girls? What exactly did you do in the entertainment industry?

 

[marmel75]

Okay but doesn't my POF profile that I posted have tons of interests listed? Are they just not "cool" enough?

I have a collection of ancient coins. Some are over 2,000 years old. They're from places like ancient Persia, Rome, Greece, etc. Is that gonna get me laid? I don't think so. I just bought a 3d printer. Is that gonna get me laid? I don't think so.

And it's great to talk with someone about interior designing, but unless it results in my d1ck inside her, then it was just friendly conversation.

Ok, then why don't you learn how to have conversations that WILL get you laid. Talk about your interests in ways that WILL get you laid. Your interests can be just about anything...the passion you have for them, the way you present them and tell stories about them is what determines how she views it much more than what the interest actually is.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Ok, then why don't you learn how to have conversations that WILL get you laid. Talk about your interests in ways that WILL get you laid. Your interests can be just about anything...the passion you have for them, the way you present them and tell stories about them is what determines how she views it much more than what the interest actually is.

I tried that.

It still came down to the fact that she was looking for a relationship, didn't need any more **** buddies, and I lived 90 minutes away.

"Talking about your interests" only consumes 10 minutes tops.

 

[marmel75]

I tried that.

It still came down to the fact that she was looking for a relationship, didn't need any more **** buddies, and I lived 90 minutes away.

"Talking about your interests" only consumes 10 minutes tops.

In person or onlnie/via text?

All of that should be getting talked about in person with as little info as needed given to her to get her out on a date.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

In person or onlnie/via text?

All of that should be getting talked about in person with as little info as needed given to her to get her out on a date.

What is the point of talking about the same stuff across the table from someone while drinking coffee? It will still come down to that she is looking for a relationship and nothing else.

And talking about a fvcking COIN COLLECTION would be extremely boring in person, but might make a slightly interesting text conversation. Flipping houses and MONEY on the other hand... would make good conversation for in person.

Plus, then I would have to be seen in public with a fat girl with 4 cats lol.

Plus, then I would be down the cost of one coffee since I assume I would have to pay for that.

 

[Urbanyst]

There is no game. You make your own game.

If you trade money for pvssy you need to work on your personality.

You need a fundamental level of non-loserness. Above that, it's just about who you are.....

Only the richest/best looking guys can walk around being a d1ck and still get it. Hats off to them.

For the rest, you need more than money.

Not going for the "hottest" chicks is a good start. Aim for those women and you will be p1ssed off, unless you are same league, which 90%+of men aren't.

You can't apply player mindset without the goods. Same as a 6 cannot act like a prissy model without never getting a decent guy. Because no-one puts up with that shyt unless you have a LOT to compensate.

Work on your "personality" just means learning how to be a better dancing clown show for women.

Women only care about your personality in the context of how you make them feel, the VALUE you can bring and how you make them look to their friends and family. Obviously the more you have in looks and MONEY the less your personality matters. Which is one reason why MONEY and fitness is top priority for me. I have no interest in putting on a clown show to impress women. Never have. But MONEY also solves a lot of other problems and makes life easier in general.

 

[Fruitbat]

Work on your "personality" just means learning how to be a better dancing clown show for women.

Women only care about your personality in the context of how you make them feel, the VALUE you can bring and how you make them look to their friends and family. Obviously the more you have in looks and MONEY the less your personality matters. Which is one reason why MONEY and fitness is top priority for me. I have no interest in putting on a clown show to impress women. Never have. But MONEY also solves a lot of other problems and makes life easier in general.

Why does having a well rounded personality mean you are a clown?

Personality is one of the key things to help you make money. I'm a professional salesperson. I get up on stage in a big confernce centre, with a big screen of slides, and I talk with wit and knowledge. That's how I make money. Try doing that as a boring fvck who never expanded his social skills beyond making widgets or dealing with numbers. I can sit here most days chatting shyt on here because very few people can do this. Plus I still earn the same if not more than a lot of people on here and most of my friends. I can start when I want, finish when I want, because my personality is a tradable commodity and is rare on the market. That's what having real personality brings.

Personality is HUGE with being successful with women. They are people after all. TONS of women chose a less wealthy man over the wealthier - I know 2. One of which married my best friend and gave up a multi-millionaire son of aristocracy to be with him when he was deadbeat. Why? because she couldn't live the rest of her life with a d1ck. My mate is a solid guy.

Fitness is overrated IMO. I've seen hundreds of roiders with fat chicks.

Having money and fitness as the two goals will find you women who are into fit men or rich men. Both of which I tend to avoid.

Having an all around package is key, is it not? Rich men with personalities that suck end up poor and divorced. Fit guys who rely on that may find in middle age life is a bit different.

If you can talk to women and have a solid career, your actual bank ballance and muscles aren't as important.

Having personality is the apex of everything. All the worlds leaders, the most alpha dudes on earth, had massive personalities. Sure, it;s a turn off to dumb bytches, because they can't keep up with your mind. But any woman worth her salt will recognise a man with a bit more to him than a bit of cash and a couple of biceps.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Why does having a well rounded personality mean you are a clown?

Personality is one of the key things to help you make money. I'm a professional salesperson. I get up on stage in a big confernce centre, with a big screen of slides, and I talk with wit and knowledge. That's how I make money. Try doing that as a boring fvck who never expanded his social skills beyond making widgets or dealing with numbers. I can sit here most days chatting shyt on here because very few people can do this. Plus I still earn the same if not more than a lot of people on here and most of my friends. I can start when I want, finish when I want, because my personality is a tradable commodity and is rare on the market. That's what having real personality brings.

Personality is HUGE with being successful with women. They are people after all. TONS of women chose a less wealthy man over the wealthier - I know 2. One of which married my best friend and gave up a multi-millionaire son of aristocracy to be with him when he was deadbeat. Why? because she couldn't live the rest of her life with a d1ck. My mate is a solid guy.

Fitness is overrated IMO. I've seen hundreds of roiders with fat chicks.

Having money and fitness as the two goals will find you women who are into fit men or rich men. Both of which I tend to avoid.

Having an all around package is key, is it not? Rich men with personalities that suck end up poor and divorced. Fit guys who rely on that may find in middle age life is a bit different.

If you can talk to women and have a solid career, your actual bank ballance and muscles aren't as important.

Having personality is the apex of everything. All the worlds leaders, the most alpha dudes on earth, had massive personalities. Sure, it;s a turn off to dumb bytches, because they can't keep up with your mind. But any woman worth her salt will recognise a man with a bit more to him than a bit of cash and a couple of biceps.

If you're a salesperson, doesn't that mean your personality is FAKE? Funny how you described it as "real personality."

Making money is about having a good product or service. The "personality" is the afterthought.

 

[Fruitbat]

If you're a salesperson, doesn't that mean your personality is FAKE? Funny how you described it as "real personality."

Making money is about having a good product or service. The "personality" is the afterthought.

The sales I am involved in are between large corporations and probably miles above anything you've been involved in.

Selling at my level is not about being "fake". I am not a door to door salesmen. I arrange huge deals for investment schemes and my target is £60 million.

It might be fake with cheesy salespeople in the states, but this is grown-up stuff and far beyond what you are thinking I am.

You cannot have any success with a product or service unless you have someone who can actually sell that product proficiently to people. Few people can do this, which is why we make far more money than average people. It's not about lies and spin. Good product with crap marketing always fails versus average product with red hot marketing.

I left school at 16, have only a few technical qualifications and I smoked weed constantly for the first 15 years.

Don't tell me personality doesn't count, because it does.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Social status, money, assets, social skills, that stuff means NOTHING to women. .

There is so much bad advice on this site.

What planet is this guy on? This stuff means EVERYTHING to women. According to Trump, being a beta (low social status), broke (no $), living with parents and not owning a car (no assets), and stuttering and getting all nervous and awkward when talking to women (no social skills) are perfectly fine with women and have no bearing on your success.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Urbanyst]

Why does having a well rounded personality mean you are a clown?

Personality is one of the key things to help you make money. I'm a professional salesperson. I get up on stage in a big confernce centre, with a big screen of slides, and I talk with wit and knowledge. That's how I make money. Try doing that as a boring fvck who never expanded his social skills beyond making widgets or dealing with numbers. I can sit here most days chatting shyt on here because very few people can do this. Plus I still earn the same if not more than a lot of people on here and most of my friends. I can start when I want, finish when I want, because my personality is a tradable commodity and is rare on the market. That's what having real personality brings.

Personality is HUGE with being successful with women. They are people after all. TONS of women chose a less wealthy man over the wealthier - I know 2. One of which married my best friend and gave up a multi-millionaire son of aristocracy to be with him when he was deadbeat. Why? because she couldn't live the rest of her life with a d1ck. My mate is a solid guy.

Fitness is overrated IMO. I've seen hundreds of roiders with fat chicks.

Having money and fitness as the two goals will find you women who are into fit men or rich men. Both of which I tend to avoid.

Having an all around package is key, is it not? Rich men with personalities that suck end up poor and divorced. Fit guys who rely on that may find in middle age life is a bit different.

If you can talk to women and have a solid career, your actual bank ballance and muscles aren't as important.

Having personality is the apex of everything. All the worlds leaders, the most alpha dudes on earth, had massive personalities. Sure, it;s a turn off to dumb bytches, because they can't keep up with your mind. But any woman worth her salt will recognise a man with a bit more to him than a bit of cash and a couple of biceps.

No doubt.

Personality is great and very important. All I'm saying is I'm not big on being FAKE. If I can't be myself around a woman for the most part.. the VALUE of my relationship with her is lost.

 

[Fruitbat]

No doubt.

Personality is great and very important. All I'm saying is I'm not big on being FAKE. If I can't be myself around a woman for the most part.. the VALUE of my relationship with her is lost.

This comes down to how we define it I guess.