High value guys - what makes you high value?

[Meektrop]

Blah blah blah. You've been here one week and have zero women that I've seen. Your "guarantee" has no money backing it.

Quality vs Quantity was my "guarantee"... and you will never see my women they are mine for a reason. I don't betray their trust to look cool or compete with some random guy on the internet.

 

[62Telecaster]

Majority yes but the flip to that is most Guys are trash too...

Exactly...when you come to realize this and know it, it makes you all the more comfortable with yourself if you don't fall into that same category. You've basically won if you can be above it all.

 

[Serenity]

Why do you care so much about perceived value? You sound like you want to please the world.

Because ALL value is perceived. There's nothing objective about it. Value is purely subjective because without humans it doesn't exist, meaning humans fully decide what is of value and what is not. Also, you sitting around deluding yourself that you have value DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!!! Unless most others perceive you to be of value, you are just another deluded guy thinking he is someone.

If a guy comes up to you telling you he has high value, do you believe it? Fuck no! You don't perceive him to have high value just because he claims it, so he doesn't have high value to you.

You also sound like an old washed up guy that doesn't get too "lucky" as I'm sure you would call it. Your perception of game matches how rigid your personality is. You haven't seen the good / nasty part of it because you aren't able to get into those situations because to you they're probably wrong.

I'm not washed up and I'm certainly not old, I don't deal in luck. Don't play amateur psychologist with your personality reading, you don't know shit. I've gotten into lots of situations, I've seen some shit you probably won't ever see.

You're making half-assed assumptions in a desperate attempt to lessen my point. That's some nasty game you got there, it isn't working...

Wake up and think? There's nothing to think about with game. Either you know what you're doing or you don't.

Wrong! You learn what to do by doing and thinking. If you believe thinking is unnecessary then you can't have the slightest clue about game.

 

[Red Legg]

Do you know what makes me have high value ? and I sh!t you not....It is the fact that I have crystal dark blue eyes..girls have always gone gaga over them my whole life ..People with blue eyes are like only 5 percent of the worlds population.My eyes alone of procured me tons of azz.

 

[beforeimgone]

Because ALL value is perceived. There's nothing objective about it. Value is purely subjective because without humans it doesn't exist, meaning humans fully decide what is of value and what is not. Also, you sitting around deluding yourself that you have value DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!!! Unless most others perceive you to be of value, you are just another deluded guy thinking he is someone.

If a guy comes up to you telling you he has high value, do you believe it? Fuck no! You don't perceive him to have high value just because he claims it, so he doesn't have high value to you.


I'm not washed up and I'm certainly not old, I don't deal in luck. Don't play amateur psychologist with your personality reading, you don't know shit. I've gotten into lots of situations, I've seen some shit you probably won't ever see.

You're making half-assed assumptions in a desperate attempt to lessen my point. That's some nasty game you got there, it isn't working...


Wrong! You learn what to do by doing and thinking. If you believe thinking is unnecessary then you can't have the slightest clue about game.

I wouldn't have called it perceived value if I believed it to be objective, genius. It's a controllable perception.

Women can't tell the difference between self confidence and delusion. For the most part, delusion is self confidence. You'd be deluding yourself if you think otherwise. See what I did there? ;-)

 

[bigneil]

Quality vs Quantity was my "guarantee"... and you will never see my women they are mine for a reason. I don't betray their trust to look cool or compete with some random guy on the internet.

No, you just try to look cool with random guys by making random guarantees backed by nothing.

You don't betray their trust? The way Instagram does? Oh, what a nice man!

Consider: as a photographer, I pay girls for the photos. Therefore, I own the photos. Furthermore, these girls want to be famous.

Anyhow, since I had my women formally rated at 98%-99% Attractive, we know there is a 1%-2% chance your women are hotter. Maybe you can just publish the scores of your women? I doubt it. Stop talking out your arse.

 

[darksprezzatura]

This post provides great insight over all kinds of guys to avoid here at sosuave, from the narcissists to the bullies to the ignorants and the nice guys. Thank you @RichardTheFrog

A lot many of you have vague and ignorant ideas about what makes high value guys high value and I won't blame y'all either, I used to be just like you guys.

"What do you mean by ignorant, Dark?"

Confusing causality, indulging in petty arguments, being abusive, trying to belittle others and trying to please and respect people to get respect in return is a sign of deep insecurity and ignorance. I've been through all of the above phases so I know.

"It'll help us if you tell us. What makes high value people high valued?"

The people who know don't tell and the people who tell don't know it all.

Some say a hundred million dollars makes you high value.
Some say looking like a model makes you high value.
Some say being super famous and having tight game makes you high value
Some say dominating weak guys makes you high value.
Some say being confident makes you high value.
Some say respect of men makes you high value.

You see but you don't observe.

None of these things inherently makes a man high value.
Confusing cause and effect will create nothing but sleepless night and insecurities within despite self improvement.

"Okay PLEASE tell us what makes a guy high value, Dark?"

Most high value men whom people respect and consider as idols have a more passionate and demanding purpose than getting women.

They know women are a distraction from their purpose.

Women sense this detachment and wonder what is he doing of such importance that her feminine viles don't work. This is what makes her fall for you. She wants to be part of your purpose and support you.

"What do you mean by purpose, Dark?"

If you begin a journey of financial success, a journey to be skilled for fame, a journey to aesthetics and fitness to get women.

INITIALLY, you WILL NOT get women, and they'll come to Dark who will probably reject them.

Soon, as you start to enjoy the process and are determined to reach your goals even at the cost of forgoing women, you will get women.

But this information creates a paradox of sorts, are you disregarding women intentionally to get them hence still chasing them?

"How do I develop this kind of outcome independence Dark?"

It's simple.

Pick up something you love. Create little goals which increase your survival value. See the bigger picture. Enjoy those little victories. Fight when life brings you down. Keep moving forward and achieve your long term goals. Repeat. Align everything and everyone with what you want to achieve and disregard the rest.

Compartmentalise these goals under looks, money, status.

Win- Win

Create this journey for yourself and women can't resist to join.

Remember to balance them out as they indeed are distractions from your primary goals. Have fun mofos.

 

[bigneil]

What makes a man high value? Ask his woman.

 

[Serenity]

I wouldn't have called it perceived value if I believed it to be objective, genius. It's a controllable perception.

Women can't tell the difference between self confidence and delusion. For the most part, delusion is self confidence. You'd be deluding yourself if you think otherwise. See what I did there? ;-)

Confidence is the belief in your ability to do something, I think you're mixing it up with value. Although you can have a deluded confidence which is believing you can do something you clearly cannot, you can easily be confident without being deluded and without external validation. You are slightly derailing this conversation by dragging confidence into it.

What we were talking about was value. This depends entirely on others appreciation. Just like a job, the more your work is appreciated the more they'll be willing to pay. If you do a shitty job then that will make your work less valuable, it will be irrelevant how much you tell yourself you did a good job. If you do something nobody needs, then that is also of little value because nobody needs it. It's when you do a job that's in high demand that you'll get high value.
Same goes regarding social value. Cool guys are in constant high demand in a world full of assholes. If you were to ignore the demand and delude yourself to be of value, then you'll be just another idiot among millions.

It's pathetic to observe such people. I see them believing they're the shit, but I also see everyone around them being repulsed by it unless the guy is rightfully high value.

 

[beforeimgone]

Confidence is the belief in your ability to do something, I think you're mixing it up with value. Although you can have a deluded confidence which is believing you can do something you clearly cannot, you can easily be confident without being deluded and without external validation. You are slightly derailing this conversation by dragging confidence into it.

What we were talking about was value. This depends entirely on others appreciation. Just like a job, the more your work is appreciated the more they'll be willing to pay. If you do a shitty job then that will make your work less valuable, it will be irrelevant how much you tell yourself you did a good job. If you do something nobody needs, then that is also of little value because nobody needs it. It's when you do a job that's in high demand that you'll get high value.
Same goes regarding social value. Cool guys are in constant high demand in a world full of assholes. If you were to ignore the demand and delude yourself to be of value, then you'll be just another idiot among millions.

It's pathetic to observe such people. I see them believing they're the shit, but I also see everyone around them being repulsed by it unless the guy is rightfully high value.

OP asked what does it take to be high value. Answering that question by saying impenetrable confidence is in no way derailing this conversation.

Value is a perception that you can control. You could orchestrate all types of events to make you seem high value in the eyes of others.

You said it'll be irrelevant how much I tell myself I did good even if I didn't. That is false for many reasons.

You also said that the world is full of *******s. That is something a white Knight would say. In reality, the world is not full of *******s. *******s are a huge minority because most guys in the world don't want to step on anyone's toes. Most men and women are sheep. Sheep follow. If you have unshakable confidence then sheep will look to you for big decisions.

You think it's pathetic to observe people that have impenetrable confidence but offer nothing of value to the world. Those people don't care what you think. When your mind is set in confidence, people will gravitate to you and be repulsed by you. Those people call into two categories: cool people and useless people. The latter group can be used to further increase your social value.

If you want to be Mr likeable and charm a room full of people with your pleasant personality then I'm not the guy you'd want to speak with that on. I see no reason to charm people that don't offer anything. If you want to be the guy that most low value and beta men hate but a ton of women are attracted to then come Holla at me. That's what my type of value is

Depends on what type of value you care about

 

[Serenity]

Value is a perception that you can control. You could orchestrate all types of events to make you seem high value in the eyes of others.

So you agree.

 

[beforeimgone]

So you agree.

Yes I've said that many times in this thread already

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

This reminds me too much of the "We're all 10s" concept. Obviously, we're not all 10s (I don't believe anybody is a 10 actually).
You might say, from a philosophical standpoint, that we all have value, but that's not the same as saying you have high dating market value.
Like the OP asks, what makes you high value? Forget about the money, but it seems to me that you can't just say "I'm high value" without having any reason for it. There has to be some reason to hang your hat on.

Yep, you have to balance out the delusional positive thinking with a bit of realism.

As for me, I don't even bother buying into the paradigm of SMV. I probably hardly even register on it. ha ha

Nope, I reject the commodification of sex/ relationships, and stick to the old ideals. Each to their own.

I can understand though, given that 90% of women today do perhaps operate, consciously or unconsciously, with SMV in mind. But those kind of women just doesn't interest this kind of guy. I'll stick to the 10%.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I have been experiencing this more and more in recent years. The game is changing, it's becoming dirtier and more feminized every day. I will go as far as saying that the value systems in places are also undergoing a change. Integrity, trust, character aren't worth sh$t nowadays. A lot of guys, especially the older ones haven't realized it yet. Richard's argument stays true, but it comes from a position of a boss, a man that by default has authority and hiring/firing powers. If you find yourself among perceived "equals", this argument no longer stands.

Yes...... a Faustian pact of sorts?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Same goes regarding social value. Cool guys are in constant high demand in a world full of assholes. If you were to ignore the demand and delude yourself to be of value, then you'll be just another idiot among millions.
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Yes, by thinking value as not 'objective' and thinking it 'subjective', you do not need to think it is completely arbitrary.

There is such a thing as collective subjectivity [culture] which can be equated with social value. It is something real.

It's comparable to gold. Every culture values gold, if not for jewelry then for decoration or jewelry. It may not be completely 'rational', but it is wired into human nature.

 

[Meektrop]

No, you just try to look cool with random guys by making random guarantees backed by nothing.

You don't betray their trust? The way Instagram does? Oh, what a nice man!

Consider: as a photographer, I pay girls for the photos. Therefore, I own the photos. Furthermore, these girls want to be famous.

Anyhow, since I had my women formally rated at 98%-99% Attractive, we know there is a 1%-2% chance your women are hotter. Maybe you can just publish the scores of your women? I doubt it. Stop talking out your arse.

You still miss the point of my original statement, hotter is irrelevant each has his own tastes. What I was getting at was the type of girl that would go for a guy that has little money is a lot more valuable than the girl that goes for the guy because of the money. My outlook on women isnt as bleak as yours I still think there are worthy women out there for worthy men.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You still miss the point of my original statement, hotter is irrelevant each has his own tastes. What I was getting at was the type of girl that would go for a guy that has little money is a lot more valuable than the girl that goes for the guy because of the money. My outlook on women isnt as bleak as yours I still think there are worthy women out there for worthy men.

What makes you worthy?

 

[bigneil]

The type of girl that would go for a guy that has little money is a lot more valuable than the girl that goes for the guy because of the money.

You absolutely cannot state this. The guy who has money is more likely to be a better, stronger man. Thus, the woman who chooses to reproduce the better, stronger man is not inferior by defalt. There are exceptions, but you can't declare women who don't go for money as intrinsically more special.

@Listen_to_Olly, lover of male bartenders, is that you?

 

[Meektrop]

You absolutely cannot state this. The guy who has money is more likely to be a better, stronger man. Thus, the woman who chooses to reproduce the better, stronger man is not inferior by defalt. There are exceptions, but you can't declare women who don't go for money as intrinsically more special.

@Listen_to_Olly, lover of male bartenders, is that you?

Better and stronger in what way? That said person was born in the right zipcode that he had generational wealth accumulated and family connections to tap into? We're not talking about genetic superiority or hard work. We are all not naive we know how the world works there is only so much one can do on his own. My case is arguing for the exception all it takes is one. Having a slew of booty calls isnt my goal in life I moved on past that. But if that is what your about more power to you im not judging.

 

[Meektrop]

What makes you worthy?

What doesn't make me worthy? I am charismatic attractive intelligent and honest. And I am a Man... I am not saying I can get nor do I want any woman. I have my values and if I find a female that shares them is reasonably attractive to my tastes she is worthy and vice versa.
I don't need the whole human population to acknowledge me, just who I want.