Australian Woman Shot Dead by Minneapolis Police Officer After Calling 911 Herself

[speed dawg]

Also remember, the US has a much larger population than most 1st world countries, so number of killings is not a good metric at all.

Per capita killings might be more useful.

Haha, yep. This is an EASY way to separate out the idiots. If their brain cannot comprehend per capita statistics, then there's no sense arguing with them.

And let me tell you, Danger - it's painful watching you argue with some of these clowns. I want to tell you to stop wasting your time, but I also want to stay out of your business, you know?

 

[Von]

I think it is important to point out things that need to be considered or measured properly so readers aren't getting one-sided propaganda.

It isn't all about swaying the person you are debating, often it is giving enough information for future readers to make their own decision.

All statistics provided are Per Capita... USA rank first everywhere in Crime.

Except for police shooting innocents, indeed there is no such Per Capita coverage and stats are shaddy... However, the United-States have inspired many to start tracking and providing statistics that are comparable and stored within ''Statistic USA'' or any Statistic Department in all countries

Switzerland is a country... people have more guns per capita I believe than USA... yet no crime.... (its in the comparable too) ...

So agreed with Danger, you need comparables... in what's out.. USA rank 1st only in Crime...and that's sad

Let's make America Great Again.

However, special mention... all statistics shows the situation are improving compared to the 1960's 1970's.... why it get more coverage? Probably cause it gets more rare

Bureau of Justice Statistics might be a good source
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=96

 

[Von]

Good points.


One thing to be careful about is that implied here is that there is a positive correlation between crime and guns, which I think is a bad assumption.

I am one of those who believe Guns dont help

But if you look at Switzerland and Albania who also are à gun culture.... no big crime issues
It goes back to culture and some governement oversight

Sadly, in the usa, alot of happy trigger people, culture of fear, and clash between religion and science (which make people go wild), also more réactive than préventive. My 2 cents

However, cops shooting are way too many

 

[Bible_Belt]

Killer policeman Mohamed Noor has said he was 'startled' by his victim Justine Damond seconds before he opened fire.

The cop has told friends about why he gunned down the bride-to-be, 40, in his first account of what happened Saturday night.

That's the best story he could come up with? I shot her because she ran up to the car? That's a confession, to at least manslaughter, if not murder.

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

That's the best story he could come up with? I shot her because she ran up to the car? That's a confession, to at least manslaughter, if not murder.

Let's not be hasty and rush to judgement until all the information comes out

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I shot her because she ran up to the car? That's a confession, to at least manslaughter, if not murder.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's true.

I believe that in order for a cop to "legally" shoot somebody, all they have to do is demonstrate they were "afraid" not that their being afraid is justified.

From the Castile case:

The defendant does not have to show that he was actually in danger. It is enough if the defendant believed he was in imminent danger and a reasonably prudent person of ordinary firmness and courage would have had the same belief. The defendant has the right to act on appearances even though the defendant’s beliefs may have been mistaken. It is for you to decide whether the defendant’s fear of immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury was reasonable and would have been felt by an ordinary person in the same situation.

source

That's why THIS GUY is NOT GUILTY.

If the lady did run up, in the dark, the dude who shot car would argue he was "believably" afraid and shot her.

I predict nothing will happen to him.

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

Unfortunately, I don't think that's true.

I believe that in order for a cop to "legally" shoot somebody, all they have to do is demonstrate they were "afraid" not that their being afraid is justified.

From the Castile case:

The defendant does not have to show that he was actually in danger. It is enough if the defendant believed he was in imminent danger and a reasonably prudent person of ordinary firmness and courage would have had the same belief. The defendant has the right to act on appearances even though the defendant’s beliefs may have been mistaken. It is for you to decide whether the defendant’s fear of immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury was reasonable and would have been felt by an ordinary person in the same situation.

source

That's why THIS GUY is NOT GUILTY.

If the lady did run up, in the dark, the dude who shot car would argue he was "believably" afraid and shot her.

I predict nothing will happen to him.

This is a fair and balanced analyses of the situation.

That poor cop probably feared for his life. Perhaps the deceased reached for something and refused to obey that officer's commands...

It's sad that she lost her life, but casualties(accidents) like these are bound to happen, esp when you have two people emotionally charged with fear and one person making a bad decision to run up on a police car..

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

but casualties(accidents) like these are bound to happen, esp when you have two people emotionally charged with fear and one person making a bad decision to run up on a police car..

The problem, as I see it, is from the courts/cops/legal standpoint, it is sort of reasonable that the cops can shoot if they are in fear, even if that fear isn't justified.

But at the same time, cops actively promote their existence as their to "help" which creates the idea that if a citizen feels like a victim, then running up to a cop is the logical thing to do. Unfortunately, this is the thing that will get them killed by the people they were running to for help.

What I'd like to see is an active campaign by cops saying to NEVER run up to a cop, otherwise they'll shoot you.

But this would promote the idea that cops are DANGEROUS to people, which while often true, is not ever going to happen.

 

[Von]

The problem, as I see it, is from the courts/cops/legal standpoint, it is sort of reasonable that the cops can shoot if they are in fear, even if that fear isn't justified.

But at the same time, cops actively promote their existence as their to "help" which creates the idea that if a citizen feels like a victim, then running up to a cop is the logical thing to do. Unfortunately, this is the thing that will get them killed by the people they were running to for help.

What I'd like to see is an active campaign by cops saying to NEVER run up to a cop, otherwise they'll shoot you.

But this would promote the idea that cops are DANGEROUS to people, which while often true, is not ever going to happen.

Than we need guns to protect ourselves from cops who's duty is to protect

 

[Bible_Belt]

What I'd like to see is an active campaign by cops saying to NEVER run up to a cop, otherwise they'll shoot you.

But this would promote the idea that cops are DANGEROUS to people, which while often true, is not ever going to happen.

I very much agree. We do all of this indoctrination of children by sending cops into schools...Jeff Sessions want to bring back DARE....and the moral of the story is always that cops are as harmless as Barney the Purple Dinosaur. Run up and give them a hug whenever you see one. "Do not do something stupid to get yourself shot," is what we ought to be teaching kids.

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

Well if he was startled by her and shot her for that reason, that suggests he already had his gun drawn?

Sounds reasonable as they were told that a possible rape or sexual assault was in progress.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Is that normal for a report of a rape taking place? I have no idea.

The article said they arrived lights and siren off, hoping to catch the guy, as there was a reported sexual assault taking place. Then the girl ran up to the cop car in an alley.

 

[speed dawg]

That poor cop probably feared for his life. Perhaps the deceased reached for something and refused to obey that officer's commands...

It's sad that she lost her life, but casualties(accidents) like these are bound to happen, esp when you have two people emotionally charged with fear and one person making a bad decision to run up on a police car..

Shocking I tell you, just shocking. Black cop, white victim....and suddenly, Sho No Luv sides with the cop.

You can't make this up. America keeps circling the toilet. Just worthless.

 

[Von]

If there was a reported sexual assault or rape, I am guessing they should have expected a hysterical woman to flee to them....so that part I think they screwed up royally.

However the drawn gun while sitting in the car, I just don't know if that is normal or not for this? At this point I can understand either viewpoint regarding the gun, but what is the "standard procedure"?

Because they expect everyone to have guns, it's america... they expect people to have weapons... the one who shoots first win.
And remember recently à couple of cops where targeted

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

Shocking I tell you, just shocking. Black cop, white victim....and suddenly, Sho No Luv sides with the cop.

You can't make this up. America keeps circling the toilet. Just worthless.

No sir, Mr Toilet bowl handyman, not at all, but as usual you have nothing substantial to offer to this discussion. The officer was afraid for his life, she made a bad decision and her race doesn't matter, but you don't run up to police cars at night when its hard for them to see who you are when they are trying to apprehend a suspect.

Again, ANY loss of life is unfortunate, sad and regretful but policemen don't have magic powers in situations like these, where a split second could cost him his life. Based on what I've read so far, I don't see any problems with what he did. He tried to resuscitate her, were you aware of this?

You are the one making EVERYTHING about race.

My whole point in posting this was to show that there is a real problem in this country with all these police shootings and that it affects ALL people. And that they are pushing an agenda.

However, I knew that the irony of ME posting something like this would be lost on you as you are vapid, dull and focus solely on race but fail to see how we are ALL affected.

Get your head out of your toilets for one second sir, and try to focus on the REAL issues here. As I have mentioned before try to pay attention to details. Something is off here, this smells like it could possibly be a hoax. But we still don't have enough information.

I will say this about danger, we may disagree in principle, but at least he's intelligent..

But you???

Smh..

This will be my last discussion with you, putting you back on ignore. Enjoy your life and good luck to you.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Officer charged with murder in shooting death of unarmed woman in Minneapolis alley

The Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman last summer has been charged with murder and manslaughter in the shooting, which caused international outrage and forced out the city's veteran police chief.

Mohamed Noor is charged with third-degree murder for "perpetrating an eminently dangerous act and evincing depraved mind" and second-degree manslaughter for "culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk," according to charging documents unsealed Tuesday afternoon.

Justine Damond, 40, was fatally shot July 15 after summoning police to what she said was a possible rape near her home. Precisely what happened the night she was killed, however, has remained a mystery. There is no video footage of the shooting, even though both officers who responded were wearing body cameras at the time.

The charges against Noor were applauded by Damond's fiance, Don Damond, and other members of Damond's family. They called the charges in a joint statement "one step toward justice for this iniquitous act," according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

 

[backseatjuan]

You know from the side it looks like A) police in America have a lot of power and a lot of presence, and B) police in Ameirca are trigger happy. It looks to me that it is police training and policy issue.

 

[sosousage]

if this story is real then cop should spend rest of his life in jail. but he probably wont

oh my god this stupidity, why kill hot lady for no reason, why kill anyone for no reason, especially when you are COP

 

[Spaz]

Perhaps the police force in America is under constant threat of violence and I guess he responded to what he perceived as a life threatening situation.

I sometimes make mistakes when I'm out jungle - hunting. It's a split second decision, it's either you or them.

It simply makes no sense to just murder a women cold blooded and get yourself into trouble, which is why I believe it's an accidental shooting.

 

[backseatjuan]

Perhaps the police force in America is under constant threat of violence and I guess he responded to what he perceived as a life threatening situation.

What you perceive is in your head, because your brain perceives. In this case I would say that your perceptions are fvckekced up.

Again, people are in most cases normal. However, political -->regime<--, policies, and training does fvck up perceptions. Most simple example are fags. In some countries fag is a sexual perversion, in other countries fags serve in the miltary, bleed the same, and watch your 6th o'clock. Do you perceive men craving d1ck as normal? Your perceptions depend on policies in place, and public opinion. After all, you do want to fit in. You might think that certain minority of people causes the most crime, but if you call them for what they are, you are racist. Public opinion and policies that shape public opinion do affect your personal thoughts.

Degradation of social values.