When a man grows old with a woman

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I was always curious.....

If a man meets his future wife at 28 and she is 26;

She is thin and pretty hot at this point.

Fast forward to 15 years; she is now 41, has aged with wrinkles and is now 50 pounds overweight.

Is that man still going to see that hot 26 year old when he looks at her?

Is love really blind if the girl was originally attractive? Or are these guys miserable and looking to trade her in for a woman 10, 15, 20 years younger?

I noticed if you are around people all the time, they don't seem to age if you have known them since you were younger.
 

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The overweight part is game breaking. A few wrinkles here and there, are nothing, comparatively speaking.
 

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Beauty fades, it's natural and no big deal, but a fatazz is a turn off because that can be controlled.
If she likes eating more than keeping her body in shape for you, there's likely trouble on the horizon.
 
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The issue with this thread is that you young guys are trying to look at this through the lens of a young man to whom thin and pretty has the most value. Y'all do not have the perspective of a man who has been married for decades. How could you? As you go through life with someone you value different things.

In youth you value looks and potential to be a good wife and mother; you value beauty and being able to lock down a woman who others want.

In the child rearing years you value nurturing, and the ability to raise and guide children, and ability to contribute to your success as a team in life.

In the post child rearing years you value mutual life pursuits, goals achieved together, family, grandchildren and the legacy that will be left for the family.

In the senior years you value loyalty, companionship, mutual comfort, understanding and compassion.

Notice how after youth the focus shifts away from surface attributes like physical appearance and transitions to characteristics that are lasting. Even a great beauty of the ages like Sophia Lauren or Elizabeth Taylor is only beautiful in the eyes of the world for a finite amount of time. Although a man and woman always retain memories of their spouse in the prime of youth, the value added over time is in the mutual effort and bonding and shared goals throughout a lifetime. A dashing man may lose all his hair and go gray and get a belly and a dad bod just as a hot woman may gain weight and settle in middle age. In old age wrinkles and thin skin and loss of vigor is inevitable. Time comes for all of us, no matter how physically blessed we may be in our youth. The wise accept this inevitable change with grace, yielding to time and accepting wisdom in the stead of beauty.

I see lots of elderly couples through my work in healthcare. Many of whom have been married for decades, many of whom have raised children together, buried parents together, attended weddings and funerals and graduations and baptisms together for those decades. They have loved, they have lived, and they have lost together. Almost without exception these couples are steadfastly loyal and fiercely protective of one another. Many enjoy a daily happy hour together at home, many show off pictures of children and grandchildren, many are full of pride about their spouse and the value they see in their spouse forged over a lifetime of joy and sorrow endured together come hell or high water, and they have deep abiding love and respect for one another as well as a strong sense of duty, of family, of principles.

They will all almost universally assert that their spouse thinks they are nuts, but in a sweet and teasing and "well aren't we all nuts" kind of way.

They have evolved past the values of youth and instead find the greatest value in the endurance of life together, for in the final analysis life is a marathon not a sprint, and the award goes to those who persevere through hardship with an indomitable will. They cherish each other for the willingness to endure together as a team, and they share a knowing of one another and of life that is at once awesome and humbling.
 

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The issue with this thread is that you young guys are trying to look at this through the lens of a young man to whom thin and pretty has the most value. Y'all do not have the perspective of a man who has been married for decades. How could you? As you go through life with someone you value different things.

In youth you value money, looks and potential to be a good wife and mother; you value beauty and being able to lock down a woman who others want.

In the child rearing years you value money, nurturing, and the ability to raise and guide children, and ability to contribute to your success as a team in life.

In the post child rearing years you value money, mutual life pursuits, goals achieved together, family, grandchildren and the legacy that will be left for the family.

In the senior years you value money, loyalty, companionship, mutual comfort, understanding and compassion.
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Thanks mom.

(Edits in boldface). BeExcellent shows what a woman thinks. For a man, he always wants the same three things:

1) Quality
2) Fertility
3) Loyalty

So to answer OP, his woman lost quality gaining weight, and lost fertility by aging, so there are two strikes. The question is: was she at least loyal to him? These days, probably not, so what does he have? Kids?

I'm 47. Do you think I sit around thinking "Man, I wish I married that girl in 1992 and had 3 kids and got divorced by now"?? No. I feel like I ran through a field being fired on by two machine gun towers and somehow made it through.
 

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I dated a beauty from 2011-2014 who got fat rather quickly. It was really sad. She broke my heart in a unique way, my heart broke for her.

Anyhow, we have a delayed reaction in how we see people. We think of them as the person they were on average so far. I would be introducing her to my friends thinking they are meeting this babe and they were thinking she was just average or below. One guy said it was the maid. My dad said "You never dated a fat girl before". On one date I had to go home because I was too tired. With my last girl she never even saw me be tired if I was sleeping. So eventually you will see her as a fat girl.

Even my last girl quickly gained weight, about 4 months after I first saw her naked. She lost the weight but was never quite the same. Women spin a masterful illusion and they get so much for their beauty and then usually blow it all like a gambler in Vegas, all so they can drink Red Bull and Budweiser.
 

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Thank you for demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about Neil.

I actually interact with couples who are happily married for decades all the time. I am relating the things that said couples express as the reasons they value their spouses. You might be 47 and successful but in relationship years (kind of like reverse dog years) you are 12...Maybe.

You're welcome, love Mom
 

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Thank you for demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about Neil.

I actually interact with couples who are happily married for decades all the time. I am relating the things that said couples express as the reasons they value their spouses. You might be 47 and successful but in relationship years (kind of like reverse dog years) you are 12...Maybe.

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You're quoting your female feelings and preaching like the Gospel. Men do not think like you. Every time you try to preach this crap here in our male forum I will be here to b!tch slap you back to reality.

Women change. When they are 20 they want a guy who is 25. When they are 30 they want a guy who is 30. When they are 50 they want a guy who is 45. Men always want women who are 20.

I've dated beautiful women since 1987. 30 years. I've possibly dated more beautiful women than anyone. Most men would have succumbed to marriage by now.

BTW regarding the needs of men (Quality, Fertility, Loyalty) I'm quoting Stefan Molyneux, princess. He has millions of listeners. You have dozens of readers.
 
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You're quoting your female feelings and preaching like the Gospel. Men do not think like you. Every time you try to preach this crap here in our male forum I will be here to b!tch slap you back to reality.

Women change. When they are 20 they want a guy who is 25. When they are 30 they want a guy who is 30. When they are 50 they want a guy who is 45. Men always want women who are 20.

I've dated beautiful women since 1987. 30 years. I've possibly dated more beautiful women than anyone. Most men would have succumbed to marriage by now.

BTW regarding the needs of men (Quality, Fertility, Loyalty) I'm quoting Stefan Molyneux, princess. He has millions of listeners. You have dozens of readers.
Don't get bent out of shape, you value women based on youth and that's totally fine. It seems to be workin f for high as you also seem to want a variety of mini relationships and not one girl for the rest of you life.

No one is denying that being a young physically beautiful woman or a young physically beautiful man is attractive. It is. But some adults who want to build a life with someone want more than that because again, it's a value that's not sustainable for the long haul. If married couples ditched their spouses the minute they showed signs of aging, then we wouldn't see any old married couples and no one would even bother getting married.

You prefer your way, that doesn't mean you speak for all men nor should you be criticizing people who actually seek sustainable value in a life partner. The thread is about growing old with someone right? I think it's interesting that you continuously shut down views about women being more than tight warm holes. Why does this anger you so much?
 

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I see. So you think like a woman.

You value women based on youth and that's totally fine.
Actually, it's Heterosexual homo sapien Males who value women based on youth and that's totally fine.

I was referring to actual research on the preferred age. I'm simply honest enough to admit that I want 20 year old women. Older women have yet to show me that they can improve overall. They want to nag and be boss and far too many men let them "to grow old together" (him a lot faster than her). Want to talk about growing old together? You should have seen the gray hair on the poor guy whose swinger wife wanted to cuckold him with me the other night.

I think it's interesting that you continuously shut down views about women being more than tight warm holes. Why does this anger you so much?
What? This is absolutely false. I'm an artist and a photographer. I draw them, film them, wine them and dine them, take them to the finest resorts, give them the finest foods, and try to capture their natural beauty. What does that have to do with a warm hole? I've never once focused on sex. You just want to drink the Kool Aid and you like hearing that same crap your mommy told you, because she was your only woman.
 
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Big Neil: You are honest about what you want and I think that's a good thing. I'm not criticizing you over that at all. You should do what makes you happy, we all should do that.

My uncle, who is also middle age like you, also likes them young and loves being with a variety of them. But he also respects his siblings decisions to marry and grow old with their spouses. It's just not for him, he's happy and his siblings are happy. He doesn't feel the need to insult others because they have different views on what they value in women.

My point is not that you shouldn't find value in youth and fertility (I guess being a dad is important to you down the road if fertility is something you value), my point is that there are other things that people can seek to value in addition to that if they want something long term, and that's fine too.

You don't want something long term, so naturally why would you value growing old with someone? I personally think there is value in growing old with someone, but I'm not sure why you need to be snarky over that? Am I trying to convince you to have the same view? No, and your last sentence kind of illustrates my question about your anger over this topic.
 

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You don't want something long term, so naturally why would you value growing old with someone?
Of course I want that.

Question: when was your last LTR? I was in a relationship nearly for the past year, a girl I fell in love with last August at first glance. I got her to go through with a divorce and ironically that ended things for us, at least for now.

She was 20 when I met her. I got her to fall in love and spend a lot of time with me. I practically gave her a fairy tale romance, and got her back with her dad. This was a girl who actually healed in front of my eyes. I plan to get other girls to stay longer.

Why are you saying that growing old and dating younger are mutually exclusive, or that I somehow only want sex and don't believe in romance or love?

I'm simply saying from experience that most women aren't faithful until you get old. You're acting like there is a proven source of such women. 51% of all marriages end in divorce.
 
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Of course I want that.

Question: when was your last LTR? I was in a relationship nearly for the past year, a girl I fell in love with last August at first glance. I got her to go through with a divorce and ironically that ended things for us, at least for now.

She was 20 when I met her. I got her to fall in love and spend a lot of time with me. I practically gave her a fairy tale romance, all captured on film. I plan to get other girls to stay longer.

Why are you saying that growing old and dating younger are mutually exclusive, or that I somehow only want sex and don't believe in romance or love?
I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your intentions. I'm limited by what I have read of your posts and mind you I haven't read them all of course but from the posts about the strippers, going from one girl to another, the value of youth and fertility over other things, I just was getting the impression that you don't want to grow old with someone. I didn't didn't know that you were trying to get someone to stay with you for longer.

No, growing old and dating younger are not mutually exclusive. Growing old WITH someone means that that someone (emphasis on one person) will also grow old. So that kind of goes together.

I've been with the same person for 6 years and getting married in August.
 

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Just put it in your wedding contract... some people do put limits to their partner weights in their wedding contracts... it stimulates both of them to keep physical shape and thus remain the ''vigorous, well-shaped youth they were still 20 years later''

However, couples are more than physical attractions... its emotional and intellectual investment into each other to make it last.

A body is just a tool... tools can get boring after a few usage no matter the quality,quantity, appearance...

Yet, I agree with the ''keep in shape''.... so if I get married... in the contract weight limits are to be expected :p
 

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The challenge is, to have that frame that can keep a woman around for life. Most guys, have jello pudding, for frame.
 

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Congratulations on your relationship and marriage.

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your intentions. I'm limited by what I have read of your posts and mind you I haven't read them all of course but from the posts about the strippers, going from one girl to another, the value of youth and fertility over other things, I just was getting the impression that you don't want to grow old with someone. I didn't didn't know that you were trying to get someone to stay with you for longer.

No, growing old and dating younger are not mutually exclusive. Growing old WITH someone means that that someone (emphasis on one person) will also grow old. So that kind of goes together.

I've been with the same person for 6 years and getting married in August.
One of the last things I said to her on our last date was "I'm sad to think that we can never grow old together..." (meaning I'm 25 years older). She said we could, and noted Donald and Melania are the same age difference.

I never loved any woman half as much as her. I realized that unless a man loves a woman that much, and unless she loves him back at each step, the relationship can't work (at least not with someone with options). I always had a wandering eye, until her. She's so young I had to completely set her free because she can't exactly tell her friends and family that she was having an affair with a middle aged man for the past year. She needed to form a new relationship and hopefully will miss me. Also, she needs to heal the issues that led to her getting kicked out of high school at age 16. She is back with that group for now. I have faith she will come through and be a new woman, so whether or not I see her I'm proud of that. That may be why God blessed me with such a young beauty for that period, because I was helping her.

That said, there was never any warning. I never did anything wrong. I never acted weak or needy or beta or overtexted or cried or begged or pleaded, but I still lost her. Most of my relationships these days are like that: instant love at first sight, a long term relationship (averaging about 15 months), and then poof - they end instantly (usually the last date features passionate sex and it ends after the fact). This is what happens when you can read people. You know when she loves you and you know when someone else steals her heart from you.
 
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Neil sorry that happened. It's a crappy feeling to lose someone you love.

If you're noticing a pattern as you said, starting off strong and fizzling, what do you think the common tread is? If any?
 

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