It doesn't matter who I am, it matters how girls perceive me...

[RichardTheFrog]

I am coming to uncomfortable realizations about the world around me.

It doesn't matter who I am, how strong I am, or what I'm capable of. What really matters is how females perceive me. I would gladly go full MGTOW, but something is keeping me coming back to this. I have educated myself about the red pill and realized some of the truths about women and about how they are not as "nice" as they act and how they want you to believe. True, everyone acts in their own self-interest, but it is women taking advantage of things 99% of the time, all while giving a big, fake smile to the world.

This is my picture...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0i2t38xt1aj4e3/me.jpg?dl=0

Am I ugly? I don't think so. I'm not so ugly that I'm hideous to females. I've been called attractive by attractive girls on many occasions. Certainly, I'm no Chad Thundercock, but who is? However, I am skinny and I'm also 5'8" on a good day.

I have been through lots of **** in my life. I have broken my neck and back and suffered a spinal cord injury and spent lots of time in the hospital re-learning how to walk, dress myself, etc. I have lived homeless on the streets for months at a time with no roof, car, cell phone, or anything. I have spent 4 years in prison and did it like it was nothing. I know that I (should) have value and I know I (should) be worth something. I'm also very intelligent, but I'm beginning to realize that this is lost on the world because the world tends to be pretty stupid, as evidenced by the fact that you can't go anywhere without hearing hip-hop music and talk about the National Football League or National Basketball Association. Society is quite stupid as a whole.

I do not intend to just ***** about feminism, but I truly believe that it has messed up the world and the dating market to a place where it doesn't make much sense. I am about to start flipping houses and hope that I can pull in over $200k/year. Even if I do, the local disc jockey will still have more status than me. It's almost like there is nothing I can do.

Granted, I'm not the best at conversation, let alone flirting, or having any kind of "game." I'm not even sure that the word "game" is a real word. It might just be one of those things that stupid people say. I'm really not sure.

I think females have a position in society that is way too elevated. They think too much of themselves, and that is a severe understatement. In the natural order of things, females of our species are basically useless without men. They cannot survive by themselves. And after all the feminsim bull****, they are showing their true character.

We are a sexually dimorphic species. The genders are not equals. The females are the weaker gender that rely on men for their survival. However, this is not the case (on the surface anyway) of today's society. Females of today have the delusional belief that they are self-sufficient.

This is an angler fish. The female angler fish is about 100x larger than the male and collects all the food. The male angler fishes only chance for survival is to actually fuse blood vessels with the female so that it can eat. The only thing the male provides is sperm. In humans, it is the female who has nothing more to offer than her eggs. However, modern society has confused this role and now females think they are worth more than they actually are.

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/images_blogs/wiredscience/2013/11/Anglers-2-F.jpg

The male angler fish is that tiny white thing on the females back.

I should be treated with respect just for being a human being. But that's not how it works in today's world. Today, females don't respect you. They think they are better than you. They lie to you like it's an okay thing to do, while at the same time, they think their **** doesn't stink and they can walk around treating everyone (with the exception of certain people, who I don't understand why they get special treatment and perhaps they don't and it's only temporary) like **** as if it's their right.

The world is really ****ed up and you can tell me to "work on myself" all you want, but I hope we all know that's not the whole story.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I've realized that if I'm going to make it in this world, I'm going to have to accept the ****ed up position of females in the world. I cannot change that. MGTOW can't change it, either. Also, I'm going to have to make sure that my self-esteem is not dictated by women's opinion of me or of how many women I get. I really have been through quite a lot in this world and it sucks that my entire self-worth can be robbed from me by the opinion of a female who more than likely has little to no life experience.

Also beginning to realize that "game" is mostly a result of how tall you are and how good looking you are. If you don't meet a girls physical standards, then she will treat you like a beta male orbiter at best. If I make a lot of money, it might help me some, but it won't be true attraction. Maybe I would just get used for money. That being said, what other choice do I have? Sadly, it seems like that is my only path to "success" if you can even call it that.

 

[Trainwreck]

I agree, most men think I'm decent looking, but women do not because I'm a black guy and most women aren't attracted to them. What can I do about it? Jack **** lol. I used to be so pvssed off about this, but I have gotten tremendously better since I accepted my position in the dating market. Back to your question....Are you white? If you are white you can look like Quasimodo and still get action or even a relationship. The reason you are failing is because you are average and women hate average. Take advantage of their groupthink mentality and gain some identity(hipster, bad boy, redneck, bro, or whatever).

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I agree, most men think I'm decent looking, but women do not because I'm a black guy and most women aren't attracted to them. What can I do about it? Jack **** lol. I used to be so pvssed off about this, but I have gotten tremendously better since I accepted my position in the dating market. Back to your question....Are you white? If you are white you can look like Quasimodo and still get action or even a relationship. The reason you are failing is because you are average and women hate average. Take advantage of their groupthink mentality and gain some identity(hipster, bad boy, redneck, bro, or whatever).

First of all, I completely disagree with your assessment of black versus white. Maybe it's different in your part of the country, but in Orlando, FL, black guys are cleaning up. It's basically the exact opposite of what you said. Black guys get approached all the time even in they're in their 40's. A white guy can have a good job and nice clothes, and be seen as a boring dork. I see this everywhere I go, every time I go out.

Aside from that, I'm NOT average. I'm extraordinary, but I'm undervalued. The females don't perceive it. Show me the other guy who has survived through a spinal cord injury, lived homeless for months at a time, and did 4 years in prison like it was nothing. I don't know what I can do to get girls to perceive me as anything the special. Bartenders and disc jockeys get more attention than me. It's very frustrating.

However, I am well below average in conversational skills and general sociability. This is why I truly think that getting rich is my only way to get to the girls and be seen as extraordinary. I'm running out of energy on the whole thing, though. I'm afraid I'm just going to get old, lose energy, and all my fun days are behind me. I'm 30. I've heard that men peak at age 35, but I'm not so sure that is true. I think perhaps they peak at 22, and that is just something older guys say to feel good about themselves and stay positive.

I think "rich guy" could be my identity. Or "business man" or something like that. I'm definitely not a redneck or a hipster.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

No one is going to know what you've been through if you can't/don't talk to them. Each and every one of us here, men and women alike, have to deal with that same reality every time we meet someone new. That's why bullsh*t small talk about things that don't really matter is so common. Everyone has to start the conversation somewhere until things of greater substance come to light in due time. I've been through a ton of sh*t myself, but not one new lady I've met knew any of these things about me until much later.

Each and every one of us here are initially judged on the surface. And yeah, you can say it's pretty superficial, but if you have ever looked past the ugly girl to better see the pretty one standing behind her, you're kind of doing the same thing as everyone else.

All of these feelings you're airing out here show on your surface, that cover that we are all initially judged on. The stress, the anger... these raw emotions tense up muscles. People can often see these inner emotions in your eyes, your face and your posture long before one word is even uttered. If you're turning them off before they can even truly get to know you, if you can't talk to them, then what right do you have to complain that women dont appreciate or respect the things you so angrily wish they would?

Well it's a vicious cycle and I don't know how to end it other than with prostitutes.

I scare them off, so they don't like me, which angers me more, which scares them more.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Start with something very simple, rather than trying to swing for the fences.

Such as what?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Accept yourself and put your best foot forward. It's all about attitude... which does NOT have to be bad ass but just the best you.

Case in point, I go into a crowded photocopying room. A woman is on the computer. I ask her firmly but politely how long she will be. She says 20 minutes. I come back. She is still on the computer. So I asked her if she'd finished yet with a bit of a grin. She finished, got up, and pressed a breast into me... as it was crowded. We got chatting... she was from somewhere or other... as I couldn't understand her accent. When I see here next time, I know I'll get her number....

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Accept yourself and put your best foot forward. It's all about attitude... which des NOT have to be bad ass but just the best you.

Case in point, I go into a crowded photocopying room. A woman is on the computer. I ask her firmly but politely how long she will be. She says 20 minutes. I come back. She is still on the computer. So I asked her if she'd finished yet with a bit of a grin. She finished, got up, and pressed a breast into me... as it was crowded. We got chatting... she was from somewhere or other... as I couldn't understand her accent. When I see here next time, I know I'll get her number....

Yea I just need to get past all this red pill MGTOW stuff and accept the world like it is. It's hard, though. And that's an easy thing to say as I'm sitting at home, but it still all comes to the surface when I'm out. I can't get a word in edgewise with these girls.

 

[Trainwreck]

Yea I just need to get past all this red pill MGTOW stuff and accept the world like it is. It's hard, though. And that's an easy thing to say as I'm sitting at home, but it still all comes to the surface when I'm out. I can't get a word in edgewise with these girls.

The Red pill and Mgtow **** is detrimental toxic bullshvt. There are some good knowledge that comes from those communities, but most of it is bullshvt. The good knowledge is mostly common sense though, so you should be fine.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

First of all, I completely disagree with your assessment of black versus white. Maybe it's different in your part of the country, but in Orlando, FL, black guys are cleaning up. It's basically the exact opposite of what you said. Black guys get approached all the time even in they're in their 40's. A white guy can have a good job and nice clothes, and be seen as a boring dork. I see this everywhere I go, every time I go out.

Aside from that, I'm NOT average. I'm extraordinary, but I'm undervalued. The females don't perceive it. Show me the other guy who has survived through a spinal cord injury, lived homeless for months at a time, and did 4 years in prison like it was nothing. I don't know what I can do to get girls to perceive me as anything the special. Bartenders and disc jockeys get more attention than me. It's very frustrating.

However, I am well below average in conversational skills and general sociability. This is why I truly think that getting rich is my only way to get to the girls and be seen as extraordinary. I'm running out of energy on the whole thing, though. I'm afraid I'm just going to get old, lose energy, and all my fun days are behind me. I'm 30. I've heard that men peak at age 35, but I'm not so sure that is true. I think perhaps they peak at 22, and that is just something older guys say to feel good about themselves and stay positive.

I think "rich guy" could be my identity. Or "business man" or something like that. I'm definitely not a redneck or a hipster.

Get a woman more stimilated from talking to a motivated intelligent man. They exist.

I believe the women your having issue with are the cliquey pop culture type.

Get a independent thinker that is stimulate mentally by someone like you. They actually do not like common popular conversation.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Get a woman more stimilated from talking to a motivated intelligent man. They exist.

I believe the women your having issue with are the cliquey pop culture type.

Get a independent thinker that is stimulate mentally by someone like you. They actually do not like common popular conversation.

Yea. A stripper said she found me attractive last month when I was talking about financing down payments on house flips using a HELOC. Of course, I lack the game to do anything with that. Plus, I'm pretty sure she was sucking some guy off for money by the end of the night. Who really wants that?

I suppose "game" and lack thereof does exist and money will just be my foot in the door. I can't expect to just go up to a girl and be like "Hi. I flip houses and made $200k last year." And her just rip my clothes off. I must excite them in some way on an emotional level.

I'm also extremely smart in a science, math, history kind of way, but I don't think that actually helps. Would explaining Einstein's Theory of Relativity to a girl make her want to **** me? Doubtful. Although I've never tried.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yea. A stripper said she found me attractive last month when I was talking about financing down payments on house flips using a HELOC. Of course, I lack the game to do anything with that. Plus, I'm pretty sure she was sucking some guy off for money by the end of the night. Who really wants that?

I suppose "game" and lack thereof does exist and money will just be my foot in the door. I can't expect to just go up to a girl and be like "Hi. I flip houses and made $200k last year." And her just rip my clothes off. I must excite them in some way on an emotional level.

I'm also extremely smart in a science, math, history kind of way, but I don't think that actually helps. Would explaining Einstein's Theory of Relativity to a girl make her want to **** me? Doubtful. Although I've never tried.

Get a nerd who likes an articulate mind. She will reward you for your knowledge. Stereotyicaly a stripper or club girl will waste your time. Find a professional or business lady looking for a professional man. The hair dresser type, stripper, club girl, fashionista, etc will all waste your time and not value what you bring to the table. The professional lady whose looking for that In her man will be stimulate by your thoughts and the way you handle things.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Get a nerd who likes an articulate mind. She will reward you for your knowledge. Stereotyicaly a stripper or club girl will waste your time. Find a professional or business lady looking for a professional man. The hair dresser type, stripper, club girl, fashionista, etc will all waste your time and not value what you bring to the table. The professional lady whose looking for that In her man will be stimulate by your thoughts and the way you handle things.

Those girls bore me, though. I'd rather get a hot bartender or some other girl selected for her beauty.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Those girls bore me, though. I'd rather get a hot bartender or some other girl selected for her beauty.

Well don't complain then. None of the types that don't bore you will value anyone like you. You'll bore them.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Well don't complain then. None of the types that don't bore you will value anyone like you. You'll bore them.

Not if I have money and a bionic ****.

 

[Plums]

I am coming to uncomfortable realizations about the world around me.

It doesn't matter who I am, how strong I am, or what I'm capable of. What really matters is how females perceive me. I would gladly go full MGTOW, but something is keeping me coming back to this. I have educated myself about the red pill and realized some of the truths about women and about how they are not as "nice" as they act and how they want you to believe. True, everyone acts in their own self-interest, but it is women taking advantage of things 99% of the time, all while giving a big, fake smile to the world.

This is my picture...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0i2t38xt1aj4e3/me.jpg?dl=0

Am I ugly? I don't think so. I'm not so ugly that I'm hideous to females. I've been called attractive by attractive girls on many occasions. Certainly, I'm no Chad Thundercock, but who is? However, I am skinny and I'm also 5'8" on a good day.

I have been through lots of **** in my life. I have broken my neck and back and suffered a spinal cord injury and spent lots of time in the hospital re-learning how to walk, dress myself, etc. I have lived homeless on the streets for months at a time with no roof, car, cell phone, or anything. I have spent 4 years in prison and did it like it was nothing. I know that I (should) have value and I know I (should) be worth something. I'm also very intelligent, but I'm beginning to realize that this is lost on the world because the world tends to be pretty stupid, as evidenced by the fact that you can't go anywhere without hearing hip-hop music and talk about the National Football League or National Basketball Association. Society is quite stupid as a whole.

I do not intend to just ***** about feminism, but I truly believe that it has messed up the world and the dating market to a place where it doesn't make much sense. I am about to start flipping houses and hope that I can pull in over $200k/year. Even if I do, the local disc jockey will still have more status than me. It's almost like there is nothing I can do.

Granted, I'm not the best at conversation, let alone flirting, or having any kind of "game." I'm not even sure that the word "game" is a real word. It might just be one of those things that stupid people say. I'm really not sure.

I think females have a position in society that is way too elevated. They think too much of themselves, and that is a severe understatement. In the natural order of things, females of our species are basically useless without men. They cannot survive by themselves. And after all the feminsim bull****, they are showing their true character.

We are a sexually dimorphic species. The genders are not equals. The females are the weaker gender that rely on men for their survival. However, this is not the case (on the surface anyway) of today's society. Females of today have the delusional belief that they are self-sufficient.

This is an angler fish. The female angler fish is about 100x larger than the male and collects all the food. The male angler fishes only chance for survival is to actually fuse blood vessels with the female so that it can eat. The only thing the male provides is sperm. In humans, it is the female who has nothing more to offer than her eggs. However, modern society has confused this role and now females think they are worth more than they actually are.

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/images_blogs/wiredscience/2013/11/Anglers-2-F.jpg

The male angler fish is that tiny white thing on the females back.

I should be treated with respect just for being a human being. But that's not how it works in today's world. Today, females don't respect you. They think they are better than you. They lie to you like it's an okay thing to do, while at the same time, they think their **** doesn't stink and they can walk around treating everyone (with the exception of certain people, who I don't understand why they get special treatment and perhaps they don't and it's only temporary) like **** as if it's their right.

The world is really ****ed up and you can tell me to "work on myself" all you want, but I hope we all know that's not the whole story.

The world is f**ked up. There are a small group of very rich and powerful people who wish to control a much larger group of poor and uneducated people.
Feminism is just another political invention to divide and conquer humanity. It is a set of political ideals (there are many others) that are supposed to empower a group of people but actually is used to undermine society. We are moving into times where the family will cease to exist, men and women will not reproduce naturally, we will be divided into easily controlled subcategories. Read 1984 if you haven't already.

Your mindset is being controlled by public information and you need to break away from it.

You can't speak for all people. Just because you have met a few women who you feel have disrespected you doesn't mean all people are the same. You just haven't met the right people.

You are bitter and you need to get over yourself and introduce a bit more lighthearted fun into your existence because if you stay bitter, you will continue to have a sh*t life.

The world is experienced inside your own head. You need to change how you perceive it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Not if I have money and a bionic ****.

Bull. They'll still use and abuse you and have you in a rotation. They'll chew you up and spit you out. They'll give you plenty to complain about and you'd be on here trying to figure out if it is a BPD or NPD?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The world is f**ked up. There are a small group of very rich and powerful people who wish to control a much larger group of poor and uneducated people.
Feminism is just another political invention to divide and conquer humanity. It is a set of political ideals (there are many others) that are supposed to empower a group of people but actually is used to undermine society. We are moving into times where the family will cease to exist, men and women will not reproduce naturally, we will be divided into easily controlled subcategories. Read 1984 if you haven't already.

Your mindset is being controlled by public information and you need to break away from it.

You can't speak for all people. Just because you have met a few women who you feel have disrespected you doesn't mean all people are the same. You just haven't met the right people.

You are bitter and you need to get over yourself and introduce a bit more lighthearted fun into your existence because if you stay bitter, you will continue to have a sh*t life.

The world is experienced inside your own head. You need to change how you perceive it.

Your right on the money. Feminism is one tool of control, group think, the gay agenda, media, etc, etc are all used for CONTROL.

 

[Milano]

Yes, the women dont need us like before, Richard. Pssy is by default more worth than a dik because dik is more desperate after sex in general. Wouldnt it be fun to tell all men to stop being desperate so that girls could act more desperate and needy? Well, it wont happen so might as well adjust to the market and era we live in. We wank to porn from an early age and learn to worship pssy.

For many years I also wanted to tell myself that I am unique and that I deserve something more, but the fact is that most men in here and in the world are just average, and average is not good enough for an attractive woman, at least to keep her around for a long while and behaving well.

What matters is like you said, how we are perceived, specially within a social group, our tribe if you will.

I like to think of myself like a robot or a machine that keeps on going, taking declines, rejections all over the place and still going. Why? Because there is no other way than forward and to the next girl. When we stop to think about being human, how we are treated, if its fair etc, it only makes us weak and worse at the game we need to master to get a girl! It doesnt work, only forward and the next set, next girl works. We try to learn a little from every situation. Put stocks in every social situation, practice going in for the kiss more perhaps like I am doing now. Practice taking the rejection better and dont get emotional over these things. Think ahead, always, dont let your mind stop. What can I do now? What can I learn now to get this new girl?

Not enough girls where I live? Too many men? Well if thats your calculations and you feel good about them, try another town, another country. Perhaps you can be exotic in this new country? Perhaps you like asians and could go to Thailand? Perhaps not. Endless possibilities, lets focus on those, Richard!

Now I dont know if you are one of those who thinks about height, Richard, but I just saw an ugly guy your height with one of the hottest women I have seen around here where I study, she was just as tall as him.

Sometimes I believed that because I am 189 cm tall and slim I should be able to get a decent girl, but then I see these midgets pulling hot girls and Im like, WTF. Perhaps there is more to it than features like this?

My conclusion nowadays and where I currently live is that social proof, social circle is one of the absolute TOP aspects of a mans life, AND at the same time perhaps the most difficult to improve, specially if you are starting from scratch up in your 20s like I did.

Try to get female friends, they help you understand the market and how they think, it makes more sense. You can ask them where they met their current date, learn some tricks indirectly. How do hot girls mostly get taken? Oh its so often the most boring stories, through their "natural" social circles within their workplace, school etc. Its not natural to go out in bars and do pickup, this is extremely hard and unnatural to girls so they wil put their shield up. What can you learn from this point? Try to get a job or hobby near women. Bartender is EXCELLENT or something like that.

As always, if you are skinny and pale you can get the sickly weakling-look quicker. Try getting a tan and work out.

And Richard, how is your beard if you grow it btw? Think some sort of trimmed goatee and a tan would do wonders on you tbh.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Bull. They'll still use and abuse you and have you in a rotation. They'll chew you up and spit you out. They'll give you plenty to complain about and you'd be on here trying to figure out if it is a BPD or NPD?

Are there any guys who they don't treat this way?