Do you think women are the real players?

[RichardTheFrog]

I know what your opinion is and I for one am happy to just agree to disagree. You play in to the simulacra of fakestream media, femo-MRA warfare, I don't. You are so irate you can't see the hypocrisy of your own argument.

> MRAs and MGTOWs are feminists. They are the antithesis. They are on the same side of the fence, all squabbling amongst themselves over who is the most sexually frustrated. They are mutually dependent to validate their own existence.
> On the other side of the fence, you have non-femo, high-value women and masculine, high-value men all playing with each other in harmony.

Get off your soap box already start looking for women worth your time and effort, rather than the 6/10 skanks that you find so easy to love and loathe.

You wanna know why the female imperative doesn't bother me much? Because I don't engage with it nor the undesirable 99% of the female population.

And that, sausage, is what I mean about discernment.

So you're simply asking us to ignore 99% of the female population? Does that actually make sense? Should we just walk around with our eyes closed?

MGTOW'S are feminists? Nothing about that statement makes sense.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I completely and utterly disagree with you. It's not that the concept of masculinity is completely GONE, the concept of traditional femininity is what's gone and the "NEW FEMININITY" has taken over the social market in terms of what we call gynocentrism, which is what all of the Men are reacting to because Men no longer control the social/dating market.

- Prior to women's liberation, men controlled both the financial and social/dating markets, due to the fact that there were strict rules for mating and women played a SPECIFIC role. It was cut and dry, you as a man go out, be strong, kick a.ss, and bring in resources. The woman had no ability to do this, thus, the man with the resources = the man who won. Period. There weren't any No Fault Divorce Amendments, so you got married and stayed married. The woman needed the man in the field and the man needed the woman in the house to cook, clean, etc., from scratch due to there being no major technology advancement.

- TODAY.........after women's liberation, we are dealing with a completely DIFFERENT market. It's why I have no fvcking clue why you guys keep using any mantra prior to the 1970's to analyze the current market we are in.

- Women do not need men for resources anymore, the family structure has been blown up by women (by them walking away from their men due to being able to earn resources now) and the single mother shyt is through the roof. Thus, many BOYS are being raised by these liberated WOMEN.

- The Boys grow up to be Male Feminists and the Girls grow up to be Liberated Women. As a result, 98% of the social/dating market is controlled, operated, and centralized on gynocentrism, which is ALL about fulfilling the woman's needs. Which is all about how a man plays HIS ROLE in fulfilling a WOMAN'S desires (whereas prior to liberation of women, it was the other way around).

I seriously, seriously, seriously, don't understand why many of you guys on this website don't understand this, and you keep talking about this bullshyt about becoming an "elite man". For the SIMPLE NOTION, that thugs/criminals (Male Feminists) are getting laid in record number since women liberation, that blows up any argument about you needing to be some elite man to win these women over.

The non-Male Feminists (the patriarchal men) are the ones who are lost in the shuffle today. The Male Feminists (thugs, criminals, deadbeats, and Simps) are getting MASS A.SS today because they can be USED by the liberated women. Patriarchal Men can't be USED, thus, that's why you see a lot of them going MGTOW!

Can you explain to me how these things/criminals are male feminists?

I never looked at it that way before, but I think you're right. They become hypermasculine to get females?

This probably explains why a lot of the people in jail had girls names tattooed on them.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

So you're simply asking us to ignore 99% of the female population?

Yeah. Why would you pay the other 99% any attention? There's getting on for 10billion people in the world; it's not like we're short on numbers. Or, are you such a lothario that you're potentially gonna slay every woman you see... Hmm? I'd judge by your attitude, probably not.

Walk around with your eyes closed? Your petulance reflects far worse on you than anyone else, sunshine.

And yes, extremo feminists and MGTOWs are basically the same person. Their ideals are directly opposing, therefore exactly the same, and their attitudes in general therefore enable each others' behaviour. Newton's third law states, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Try reading some books. Your thought processes are very linear.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Yeah. Why would you pay the other 99% any attention? There's getting on for 10billion people in the world; it's not like we're short on numbers. Or, are you such a lothario that you're potentially gonna slay every woman you see... Hmm? I'd judge by your attitude, probably not.

Walk around with your eyes closed? Your petulance reflects far worse on you than anyone else, sunshine.

And yes, extremo feminists and MGTOWs are basically the same person. Their ideals are directly opposing, therefore exactly the same, and their attitudes in general therefore enable each others' behaviour. Newton's third law states, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Try reading some books. Your thought processes are very linear.

Except that MGTOW makes sense and feminism doesn't. You cannot literally ignore 99% of the world unless you're just going to sit at home all day.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Except that MGTOW makes sense and feminism doesn't.

Just the type of vague, subjective, emotive response I'd expect from a extremo feminist or a MGTOW.

Also, 1% of the world population is like 70million people. You probably won't meet that many people in your entire lifetime, let alone eligible women.

Time to start living in reality and leave your warped, unfounded, rhetorical world view behind you.

 

[Tenacity]

> MRAs and MGTOWs are feminists. They are the antithesis. They are on the same side of the fence, all squabbling amongst themselves over who is the most sexually frustrated. They are mutually dependent to validate their own existence.

Sir, what makes a feminist a feminist, is not the concept of being angry......it's the concept of believing that a woman's rights, desires, passions, and progressions should be placed at a higher priority than a man's rights, desires, passions, and progressions.

You wanna know why the female imperative doesn't bother me much? Because I don't engage with it nor the undesirable 99% of the female population..

You and @Atom Smasher are funny lol. I mean you guys run on here calling Tenacity a negative thinker, due to my analysis that the vast majority of the market is fvcked. But yet, you guys continue to AGREE with me that 99% of the market is fvcked lol.

Question: Monkey and @Atom Smasher, can you guys please name me the last time 99% of a marketplace had moved on/completely changed from what it was prior...........but "experts" within said marketplace continued to recommend that players within the market hold onto to the aspect of the market that was dying out?

Further Breakdown: Let me break this down further. In the 1970's, women's liberation and feminist movement completed changed the social, cultural, dating, and family marketplace, to where now we stand here in 2017 with 99% of women in this market:

- Being or supporting the Feminist mentality

- Not seeing any true value in Men OTHER THAN the entertainment or "dollas" he can provide

- Not seeing any problem with single mother households and matter of fact, championing it.

- Seeing thugs/criminals/deadbeats as more VALUABLE than Mark Zuckerbergs before those Zuckerbergs start making money

- Not being accountable for shyt, everything a woman does, doesn't do, etc., is a man's fault

- Not being willing to change for shyt, thus, if she's fat, you need to learn how to handle that! If she has multiple kids, a real man would learn how to handle that! If she has a fvcked up attitude and philosophy on the world, a real man would learn how to handle that!

This is 99% of the market today because, the market has changed/evolved BEYOND the traditional feminine role prior to the 1970's, of where women got MARRIED at 18 - 21 to a hard working MAN, and stayed with him until he died through supporting not just him but the kids they brought forth. That model is DEAD. IT'S DONE. IT'S OVER.

And if 0.1% - 1% of the women left in this market are still somehow, someway, behaving in that old model and you happen to find one.......ALL power to you. To me, it's like looking for a black person with a Jeri Curl in 2017, 99% of black people just DON'T wear that shyt anymore and you would be better off (in my opinion) to settle into the new market of black people that don't wear Jeri Curls lol.

 

[Tenacity]

Can you explain to me how these things/criminals are male feminists?

- Because they operate under a feminist's frame. Understand the dynamics with these relationships, most of the time the woman is in CONTROL of the relationship and able to practice her feminist powers to try to mode, shape, or change this loser/deadbeat into whatever she sees fit. That's why you hear these women disingenuously running around talking about how they "stand by their man", but the only supposed MAN they are standing by is the criminal/loser, for the SOLE reason that she gets to control him. In addition, a lot of these thugs/criminals will trick off and GIVE most of their money to these women.

- Compare this to an old school, traditional, patriarchal man, which doesn't operate in a feminist's frame. He goes out and BUILDS his own world, builds his own ship, and looks to bring the woman into it as a "support". She is there to help further build him up, have sex with him, push out his kids, etc., but she's operating under a patriarchal man's frame.

- The majority of women of today's market DO NOT want to operate in a patriarchal man's frame. Money and Good Finances attracts this market of women SOLELY due to the fact, that she's EXPECTING you at some point in time to trick it off on her like the thugs/criminals AND Simps do when they get their money. It's when she finds out that the patriarchal man isn't going for that shyt, can't be controlled, and won't "humble himself"....she calls him ARROGANT and finds a way to break it off with him.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Sir, what makes a feminist a feminist, is not the concept of being angry......it's the concept of believing that a woman's rights, desires, passions, and progressions should be placed at a higher priority than a man's rights, desires, passions, and progressions.



You and @Atom Smasher are funny lol. I mean you guys run on here calling Tenacity a negative thinker, due to my analysis that the vast majority of the market is fvcked. But yet, you guys continue to AGREE with me that 99% of the market is fvcked lol.

Question: Monkey and @Atom Smasher, can you guys please name me the last time 99% of a marketplace had moved on/completely changed from what it was prior...........but "experts" within said marketplace continued to recommend that players within the market hold onto to the the aspect of the market that was dying out?

Further Breakdown: Let me break this down further. In the 1970's, women's liberation and feminist movement completed changed the social, cultural, dating, and family marketplace, to where now we stand here in 2017 with 99% of women in this market:

- Being or supporting the Feminist mentality

- Not seeing any true value in Men OTHER THAN the entertainment or "dollas" he can provide

- Not seeing any problem with single mother households and matter of fact, championing it.

- Seeing thugs/criminals/deadbeats as more VALUABLE than Mark Zuckerbergs before those Zuckerbergs start making money

- Not being accountable for shyt, everything a woman does, doesn't do, etc., is a man's fault

- Not being willing to change for shyt, thus, if she's fat, you need to learn how to handle that! If she has multiple kids, a real man would learn how to handle that! If she has a fvcked up attitude and philosophy on the world, a real man would learn how to handle that!

This is 99% of the market today because, the market has changed/evolved BEYOND the traditional feminine role prior to the 1970's, of where women got MARRIED at 18 - 21 to a hard working MAN, and stayed with him until he died through supporting not just him but the kids they brought forth. That model is DEAD. IT'S DONE. IT'S OVER.

And if 0.1% - 1% of the women left in this market are still somehow, someway, behaving in that old model and you happen to find one.......ALL power to you. To me, it's like looking for a black person with a Jeri Curl in 2017, 99% of black people just DON'T wear that shyt anymore and you would be better off (in my opinion) to settle into the new market of black people that don't wear Jeri Curls lol.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

All males on this forum, go work 1 week of physical labor. Shovel dirt and rocks for 40 hours. Then, come home and realize how ridiculous it is that you have to impress the "Princess generation" that grew up playing on their computer and listening to Britney Spears.

Sadly, the world is getting worse, not better.

Truthfully, these girls you are trying to impress WOULD NOT CARE IF YOU DIED!!!! And only care what you can do for them.

They completely lack morals and that is why I think they prefer thugs and criminals because these males share the same lack of morals.

You, sir, are a genius.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

- Because they operate under a feminist's frame. Understand the dynamics with these relationships, most of the time the woman is in CONTROL of the relationship and able to practice her feminist powers to try to mode, shape, or change this loser/deadbeat into whatever she sees fit. That's why you hear these women disingenuously running around talking about how they "stand by their man", but the only supposed MAN they are standing by is the criminal/loser, for the SOLE reason that she gets to control him. In addition, a lot of these thugs/criminals will trick off and GIVE most of their money to these women.

- Compare this to an old school, traditional, patriarchal man, which doesn't operate in a feminist's frame. He goes out and BUILDS his own world, builds his own ship, and looks to bring the woman into it as a "support". She is there to help further build him up, have sex with him, push out his kids, etc., but she's operating under a patriarchal man's frame.

- The majority of women of today's market DO NOT want to operate in a patriarchal man's frame. Money and Good Finances attracts this market of women SOLELY due to the fact, that she's EXPECTING you at some point in time to trick it off on her like the thugs/criminals AND Simps do when they get their money. It's when she finds out that the patriarchal man isn't going for that shyt, can't be controlled, and won't "humble himself"....she calls him ARROGANT and finds a way to break it off with him.

Yes!

I remember now. When I was in jail, a lot of the "gangsters" would say how they had a girl who they lived with that would set them up a game room full of PlayStations, etc. These women think there is nothing more to a man than sitting him in front of a PlayStation.

But make no mistake, these gangsters could fight. I imagine your average gangster grew up with a single mother and that is why they so easily mold into this situation.

Sadly, my entire game at this point is to acquire money and even exaggerate the amount of money I have.

Even though I see how bad these females are acting, I can't completely prevent myself from dealing with them because I want to reproduce. The entire purpose of life is to reproduce.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Tenacity, your problem is that you sit around and b!tch about how bad things are, navel-gazing day after day, crying and crying.

You make silly posts about how Atom Smasher "runs on here calling Tenacity a negative thinker, due to my analysis that the vast majority of the market is fvcked. But yet, you guys continue to AGREE with me that 99% of the market is fvcked lol."

You say this as if it's some kind of big revelation. I don't continue to agree. In fact, I've been saying that 99% of women are destroyed and worthless long before you ever got here. The difference is that I don't cry like a disappointed child about it. Instead I build the life that I want.

You keep on building these straw men and tearing them down. You can't seem to stomach the fact that some men have got this sh!t figured out. I think this enrages you because you yourself haven't figured it out.

You spend day after day crying and "refuting" people who actually agree with you!

No one is arguing the current state of affairs. What does wailing and wringing your hands about it do? What are you accomplishing?

Reality is what it is. Dude, you're beating your head against a concrete wall and eroding yourself. Stop all this crying, do a quantum shift in your thinking, and defy reality and beat the odds. The odds are stacked against you. So what? Go out and demand what you want from life. I did that. Why can't you? I did it with a chronic stomach problem that leaves me in massive pain every waking hour. It affects all areas of life. Still, I refuse to be defined by that and I make my demands of life.

You seem to be trying to prove something to everybody, that they already agree with. Who is disputing your main point? I haven't seen anybody who has. We all know that things suck out there. So??

Are you going to continue to weep and moan about it, or are you going to better yourself in order to qualify for the best women out there? Why remain picking from the dregs when you can pick from the best? Are the best women perfect? No. So what? Do they still have female negative tendencies? Yes. So what? These are the ones that are entirely manageable, and who require very little guidance.

I see you giving the speeches about how dismal things are, everybody says "Yes, that's true", yet you continue this crusade against everybody, yet nobody.

A man's value to women isn't money and possessions. His value is how he makes a woman feel. I stopped caring how I made that 99% feel and instead narrowed my niche to that 1%. Smaller niche, narrower focus, lots more bulls-eyes. Yes, they do appear out of nowhere when you get your sh!t together.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Tenacity, your problem is that you sit around and b!tch about how bad things are, navel-gazing day after day, crying and crying.

You make silly posts about how Atom Smasher "runs on here calling Tenacity a negative thinker, due to my analysis that the vast majority of the market is fvcked. But yet, you guys continue to AGREE with me that 99% of the market is fvcked lol."

You say this as if it's some kind of big revelation. I don't continue to agree. In fact, I've been saying that 99% of women are destroyed and worthless long before you ever got here. The difference is that I don't cry like a disappointed child about it. Instead I build the life that I want.

You keep on building these straw men and tearing them down. You can't seem to stomach the fact that some men have got this sh!t figured out. I think this enrages you because you yourself haven't figured it out.

You spend day after day crying and "refuting" people who actually agree with you!

No one is arguing the current state of affairs. What does wailing and wringing your hands about it do? What are you accomplishing?

Reality is what it is. Dude, you're beating your head against a concrete wall and eroding yourself. Stop all this crying, do a quantum shift in your thinking, and defy reality and beat the odds. The odds are stacked against you. So what? Go out and demand what you want from life. I did that. Why can't you? I did it with a chronic stomach problem that leaves me in massive pain every waking hour. It affects all areas of life. Still, I refuse to be defined by that and I make my demands of life.

You seem to be trying to prove something to everybody, that they already agree with. Who is disputing your main point? I haven't seen anybody who has. We all know that things suck out there. So??

Are you going to continue to weep and moan about it, or are you going to better yourself in order to qualify for the best women out there? Why remain picking from the dregs when you can pick from the best? Are the best women perfect? No. So what? Do they still have female negative tendencies? Yes. So what? These are the ones that are entirely manageable, and who require very little guidance.

I see you giving the speeches about how dismal things are, everybody says "Yes, that's true", yet you continue this crusade against everybody, yet nobody.

A man's value to women isn't money and possessions. His value is how he makes a woman feel. I stopped caring how I made that 99% feel and instead narrowed my niche to that 1%. Smaller niche, narrower focus, lots more bulls-eyes. Yes, they do appear out of nowhere when you get your sh!t together.

Tenacity

Atom Smasher may be right in some ways, but also...

Just go as MGTOW as you want. You are enlightened.

The only reason females act the way they do is because they know the law will protect them.

It doesn't matter who you are, females will try to destroy you. Look at Kobe Bryant. He does one thing that he probably didn't even do, and now look...

Females are awful. They are the cancer of the Earth.

They are nihilistic and solipsistic.

Yet for some reason, I am still drawn to paying them money for sex. I just need to be smart about it.

They are the Sirens of Greek Mythology. They will draw you in with beauty, then destroy you. And they will not care when you die because of their nihilism and solipsism.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Check this one out...

https://www.mgtow.com/schopenhauer-on-women/

It's about "The European Lady."

Women in Europe were given a respect they didn't deserve. Women in the rest of the world were treated like ****, like they deserve because they're inferior.

Then, when females of other ethnicities started migrating to European countries (black, Hispanic, etc), like the USA, they expected this same artificially nice treatment.

This is why LaQuesha from the hood thinks she's God's gift to the world.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

They are the Sirens of Greek Mythology. They will draw you in with beauty, then destroy you. And they will not care when you die because of their nihilism and solipsism.

The Greeks mapped the dangers then sailed through the safe passages.

There are two poles to desire - the object/ women, and the subject/ you. There is not much you can do about the object, but there is a lot you can do about yourself. The essence of Greek moral philosophy is gaining a rational control over your natural instincts. Worlds of heartache would be avoided if men only realized there rational nature.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity, your problem is that you sit around and b!tch about how bad things are, navel-gazing day after day, crying and crying.

Okay I see your point, but I thought one of the purposes of this Forum was to come here TO openly discuss various issues with this market? Even if the conversation gets repetitive, I still thought that's what we could do here?

You say this as if it's some kind of big revelation. I don't continue to agree. In fact, I've been saying that 99% of women are destroyed and worthless long before you ever got here. The difference is that I don't cry like a disappointed child about it. Instead I build the life that I want.

A man's value to women isn't money and possessions. His value is how he makes a woman feel. I stopped caring how I made that 99% feel and instead narrowed my niche to that 1%. Smaller niche, narrower focus, lots more bulls-eyes. Yes, they do appear out of nowhere when you get your sh!t together.

Then there's no debate on the market, we agree that the market is fvcked up. Where we disagree though, on the notion that guys should set out to find the 0.1% - 1% of women that are supposedly "unicorns" or "high quality". You said it yourself (just like I said it) that the high quality woman even has flaws, so then what's the point of becoming some "elite man" for the sole purpose of finding a woman that's going to have flaws just like the last woman did?

By all means, continue to work on yourself, but do it for career/financial/investment/fitness related reasons.

Also we keep arguing about "high quality women", what is your definition of a high quality woman? I BET it's different than my definition. Which means "quality" is subjective lol.

I think many of us have an ideal girl that we have uniquely/individually created in our heads (I know I have one) and once we find her, to us individually, she will be our unicorn. But my unicorn probably isn't your unicorn, and vice versa.

 

[Urbanyst]

So your dad was a lying, low value, fraud.....

The apple never falls far from the tree...

Are you one of those guys who always takes the woman's side?

 

[zekko]

You said it yourself (just like I said it) that the high quality woman even has flaws, so then what's the point of becoming some "elite man" for the sole purpose of finding a woman that's going to have flaws just like the last woman did?

Nobody's perfect, Tenacity.
Hopefully, you can find a woman whose flaws don't bother you much. We all have our hot button issues, dealbreakers, etc. Mine might not be the same as yours.

 

[Reykhel]

Are you one of those guys who always takes the woman's side?

You stated that daddy was an unemployed low value man who used to pretend he
had a job...........Fact no? a bum who pretended he was high value when really he was low value
collecting butter vouchers on welfare......fact no? your words.

Reykhel observes that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.........you desperately shout HIGH VALUE a bit too much.....
compensating? "me thinks that the lady doth protest too much"

Nobody who's "high value" feels the need to write it on almost every single post on an anonymous message board.....

Reykhel is amused at your attempted red herring, "always takes the woman's side" ha.......nice try.

 

[Urbanyst]

You stated that daddy was an unemployed low value man who used to pretend he
had a job...........Fact no? a bum who pretended he was high value when really he was low value
collecting butter vouchers on welfare......fact no? your words.

Reykhel observes that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.........you desperately shout HIGH VALUE a bit too much.....
compensating? "me thinks that the lady doth protest too much"

Nobody who's "high value" feels the need to write it on almost every single post on an anonymous message board.....

Reykhel is amused at your attempted red herring, "always takes the woman's side" ha.......nice try.

Not sure why you have a problem with my dad getting laid a lot or me getting laid a lot. Seems odd on a forum like this. That's why I asked if you are taking the woman's side. When you're attacking men who are getting laid you sound like and angry woman. Am I right? Lol.

Maybe you would be less angry if you got your finances together. You sound broke.